Accuracy WAS Nerfed
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Posted on: 2010-11-26 24:04 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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You seem to be missing the fact that Mids' does not show the inherent accuracy of a power, but the final to-hit chance against +0 enemies.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Dog
Look in Mids Knockout Blow has an accuracy of 90% not 120%. It USED to be 120%.
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Knockout Blow: 1.2 accuracy * 75% to-hit chance = Mids' showing 90% accuracy.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Dog
That's not a misunderstanding of accuracy and tohit
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To repeat: Mids is not showing intrinsic accuracy: its showing calculated accuracy based on the base to hit you set in the program, which is 75% by default (the base tohit of players vs even con critters).|
Originally Posted by Bad_Dog
Great if it worked that way but it does not.
each power has an inherent accuracy, which you can modify with enhancements, bonuses, etc. I MAY HAVE 75% but my power has its own and its part of the formula. SMIPLIFIED BEFORE you get 1.0 * 75% = 75%. NOW .75 * .75 = .56% |
But don't take my word for it (since apparently you aren't going to), take Mids word for it. Here's the database definition for Tanker Jab:
Taken directly from Mids, right from the database editor.
If the devs tampered with intrinsic accuracy, I would know, the City of Data people would know, the Mids developers would know, and half the quants in the game would know within a week. This would be the *worst* way to stealth nerf anything. It would set off alarms all over the place. This would be like the devs trying to hide the fact they were mad at me by subtly putting a 1024x768 picture of a middle finger on all the loading screens with Arcana sux in big purple letters right below it. Someone somewhere would eventually notice that sort of thing.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
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This whole thread can be summed up simply:
You are using another, unrelated application to try and analyze what CoH is doing. The only true, 100% certain measure of how the game is acting is the game itself.
Mids includes the 75% to hit modifier in calculating the final to hit based on Accuracy. ParagonWiki does not. You are not looking at two different values across time, you are looking at two different calculations, once including the base to hit chance, and one that does not.
Because of that confusion, you are applying the 75% modifier twice, once in Mids' listed "accuracy" and once in your correction of Mids' accuracy.
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The explanation of the accuracy and to hit numbers here are the first explanations of the math behind the game that I understand. I'm not a numbers type of player, and I doubt this new understanding will ever really help me, but as someone who has recieved the message that the OP apparently hasn't: Thanks. 
If anything, with the up coming Alpha slot bonuses.. Accuracy was BUFFED!
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I still like saying that Accuracy was un-nerfed (negative nerfed?) when they added the Accuracy bonus to lower level players. |
Originally Posted by Arbegla
If anything, with the up coming Alpha slot bonuses.. Accuracy was BUFFED!
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
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In case Mids screen shots aren't enough, I stripped out my Accuracy enhancements on the Beta server and took a screen shot.
Me fighting an even con minion. Knockout blow has a 1.20 accuracy bonus. 1.20 x 75% = 90%. And that's what you see in the combat window and on the Combat Attributes monitor. Note that my base chance to hit is listed here as "To-Hit Bonus," and is 75%. I'm not running Invincible or Rage.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
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No, it didn't. You're wrong.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Dog
Look in Mids Knockout Blow has an accuracy of 90% not 120%. It USED to be 120%.
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Watch this link to determine how wrong you are.
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Tohit bonus.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
I still like saying that Accuracy was un-nerfed (negative nerfed?) when they added the Accuracy bonus to lower level players.
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Also, I didn't realize until now that the links to all three reference articles for the attack mechanics wiki page were broken. Probably because of the forum move. The I7 guide is here and the I10 beta guide (which I never fully updated) is still here (one of the reasons I didn't fully update that one is because I became increasingly convinced the wiki was the better place to put that info, actually).
The Elusivity post appears to be gone, although the Fix Defense post that is its antecedent is still around (protected from purging by being a guide).
I suppose it should be a cautionary message to the uninformed that I was the author of all three references for that wiki entry.
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Think the OP gets it yet?
The OP is misreading Mids, which is not an official Paragon Studios program.
Bad Dog, just go log into the game and watch the real numbers there. Unslotted KO blow against an even con minion will have a 90% chance to hit. It has a 1.2 accuracy modifier, the same as it always has.
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