Devs, get back to normal Boosters.
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Posted on: 2010-10-20 16:47 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Tidbit Jr.
I wouldn't really categorize expansion packs as boosters, per se. It's sort of like referring to a midterm and then calling it a final exam. Sure, they're both tests, but one is larger and has more content.
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Personally, I feel this booster is a good ideas. Our auras are OLD, and the selection is VERY sparse. Sure, we can always use more costumes, but it's auras where the game really hurts, and the auras that come in this pack seem to open up at least a few new concepts for me. That's always a plus.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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This. I'll always take costumes of course but I won't begrudge a nice aura pack. The newer auras we've been getting have been pretty nice but they're limited in number. This gives us 10 more and some interesting options when factoring in combat mode auras. I'm all over it. November 3rd needs to hurry it's *** up.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Personally, I feel this booster is a good ideas. Our auras are OLD, and the selection is VERY sparse. Sure, we can always use more costumes, but it's auras where the game really hurts, and the auras that come in this pack seem to open up at least a few new concepts for me. That's always a plus.
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We'll have to see how many options the new auras have, but yes, this. We've had the same, what? Dozen or so auras since I2 rolled out and added almost nothing to them right up until Going Rogue. Alpha and Omega are the only two more traditional auras that we've added to the game in QUITE a while, and auras are a part of costume design which I find to be very important. Far more important than capes.|
Originally Posted by Goblin_Queen
This. I'll always take costumes of course but I won't begrudge a nice aura pack. The newer auras we've been getting have been pretty nice but they're limited in number. This gives us 10 more and some interesting options when factoring in combat mode auras. I'm all over it. November 3rd needs to hurry it's *** up.
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Yes, I know about Flies and Combat auras, but even with them, we need to add more. Many more. Our auras are lacking.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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It had more pieces than Super Science or Cyborg. Cyborg didn't even have one full costume set, since it completely lacked a Top piece. Magic mainly had more because of gender-exclusive pieces, leaving us with the abundant Martial Arts, which is a really great set for the price, especially since everything but the hairstyles can be used on all character models.
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Originally Posted by Jophiel
Coincidentally, the mutant booster was where I started really noticing people lament the downward slide in Booster quality so I don't know if I'd make that my benchmark.
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Hey now, the Cyborg Superbooster added some auras. |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
We'll have to see how many options the new auras have, but yes, this. We've had the same, what? Dozen or so auras since I2 rolled out and added almost nothing to them right up until Going Rogue. Alpha and Omega are the only two more traditional auras that we've added to the game in QUITE a while, and auras are a part of costume design which I find to be very important. Far more important than capes.
Yes, I know about Flies and Combat auras, but even with them, we need to add more. Many more. Our auras are lacking. |
Also: There's still the thing of giving auras the Power Customization treatment of subtractive/additive/tint color effects.
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You know, when people say things like this, odds are it's because there's something that's making them feel this way. When it starts happening more frequently, there's probably a reason for it. Rather than popping in to shout, 'Oh yeah? Prove it!' when someone says they've begun to feel like we're being offered less for more, how about acknowledging that they may have valid concerns?|
Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Yeah because vaguely menacing unsubstantiated feelings are worth so much more consideration than actual facts or declarative statements.
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I felt the Party Pack was distinctly disappointing. This pack, while something of an improvement, is still not on par with the earlier boosters content-wise, IMO.
I don't think anyone here's arguing for an end to booster packs. I do think people want them to be on par with what are commonly considered 'the better boosters' (Magic Pack, Cyborg Pack, etc.) in terms of type and amount of content and pricing. I don't see why this is a crime. Yet some of you here react like someone just slapped your mother if they hear so much as suggest they're not satisfied. 'We should take whatever they give us and be grateful!' seems to be the gist of most of the responses. That, and 'You think NCSoft shouldn't make money?! *gasp!* How dare you!' That (deliberately) mischaracterizes and trivializes what people are saying. Namely: If NCSoft intends to keep selling us booster packs, then they need to make them something we feel are worth buying.
Speaking personally, if they were to release a new booster along the lines of the Magic or Cyborg Pack tomorrow - something containing a couple of full costume sets, a cool-and-marginally-useful temp power, maybe a couple of auras, etc. - I'd buy it without hesitation. I feel packs like those are a good value for the price. The Emote Pack definitely wasn't. The Cape and Aura Pack is borderline at best. I may end up picking it up on the off chance that I'll think of a concept that could use one of the pieces after the fact, like I ended up doing with the Mutant pack. Still, I'm with the OP on this one. I want to see a return to boosters with some substance to them.
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We also desperately needed new capes....|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Personally, I feel this booster is a good ideas. Our auras are OLD, and the selection is VERY sparse. Sure, we can always use more costumes, but it's auras where the game really hurts, and the auras that come in this pack seem to open up at least a few new concepts for me. That's always a plus.
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I think some are maybe forgetting the difference between a "booster" and a "SUPER booster." This pack is just a booster. I like super boosters too, but that's not what this is. It is also cheaper than a super booster.
Buy what [general] you likes, pass on what you dont, just like how I passed on the "party" pack. You want to talk about sparse of content, that is the one to bring up. OMG.
I would be open to just general cothing packs: "pants." [this game is way short of pants/lower body tights options. WAY SHORT.] "Tops." "Faces." "Weapons." "Hair." I would buy any and all of those if I perceived the value to be good enough.
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Originally Posted by Invisobill
I would rather that a player has to unlock a costume part, that way everyone that plays the game can access said parts.
I can't believe people have been shelling out money for these wastes of cash. The audacity that the developers have is astounding! Why are you all paying for these? Stop spending money on them and maybe they'll get the idea that these minor additions to the game should be free. I regret paying for the one super booster I bought (technology) and I've not bought one since (discounting the G.R. pack as I felt it was part of the expansion). I'm happy I'm quitting this game for good this time around. The game has steadily been going down hill with crap like this going on and players just lapping it up. Keep this in mind everyone: NC Soft just laid off a few employees, some that have been around for quite some time. They're now releasing sub par item packs or separating certain items and auras that I think were originally intended for release with G.R. such as the party pack. Half the emotes in that pack for instance were already demonstrated by N.P.C.'s in Praetoria, but I digress. If you ask me, I think they realize with DCU coming out that they're going to be in trouble and the policy's now "cash in while we can". The recent packs have been coming out very quickly one after another when before there would be spans of months between them. Pair that fact with the quality we've been given with the last few and I think I'm pretty on with my assessment. I think this game has maybe two years tops left in it and by no means do I think that the servers are going to go dark relatively anytime soon, but so far we've seen a huge decline in quality and delays up to wazoo with promised content. Although Going Rogue sold decently, I don't think they made quite the turnaround as NC Soft has expected. Mark my words everyone, 2 years tops. My guess would be a year after the release of DCU if that game delivers the way I think it is going to. Please don't give me, "Well, after large expansions people get laid off." Well, if the game delivered as they thought it would those people would still have jobs. The circumstances BaB left under are not a good sign whatever they may be. Stop paying for these boosters. We pay enough as it is without ever having any major content upgrades. I know Blizzard is a huge company with huge resources, but regardless Paragon Studios should keep up. CoX is a relatively small game when compared to other MMO's. I know they give us free updates and content here and there, but what we have now only amounts to what CoX should have been from the beginning other than the bare bones MMO of what it was when it started. G.R. shows just that bare bones mentality. They should have included and had ready the end game content when G.R. went live, but they just didn't deliver like they always do. I know I'm pissing off a lot of people here. Let me just say that the devs. do seem sincere in their efforts. In fact, I would wager that all these pathetic little microtransactions are the work of the marketing department or the higher ups at NC Soft, not the actual devs. that deal directly with us and the game itself. Still, the policy they've had of late makes me angry because they are counting on the gullibility of their player base. Give us some cool new costumes devs. without having to pay for them. 3-5 with an expansion doesn't cut it for me. I was expecting way more with how huge G.R. was supposed to be. This was a huge let down in my book. |
Stupid to me would be spending more money than this booster costs on a 3D movie. But you don't see me telling other people they're dumb for doing it. I just don't spend my own money on it.
I don't for a second think it's going to get them to stop making 3D movies and I don't for a second think my buying or not buying a booster is going to hasten the end of this game.
There's absolutely nothing resembling logic in your statements. Apart from you've decided you don't like the game and you're leaving. Hope it's sooner rather than later.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
We also desperately needed new capes....
I think some are maybe forgetting the difference between a "booster" and a "SUPER booster." This pack is just a booster. I like super boosters too, but that's not what this is. It is also. |
It's actually the same price as the super boosters - 9.99. I think that's where a lot of frustration is coming from. It should have been the same price as the Party Pack. Actually the Party Pack should have been 5.99 and the Origins pack 7.99 and Super Boosters 9.99 if I were to do the marketing.
I'm totally buying it but I personally feel it shouldn't be the same price as a Super Booster. There should be a price point difference between normal and super, IMO.
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Out of curiosity how much are the super boosters? I've got them at £5.99 on the EU site, which I put at about US$9.50. Meaning that, assuming the post saying BP said this will be US$9.99 is correct, the only difference between a Super booster and a normal booster is the name.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I think some are maybe forgetting the difference between a "booster" and a "SUPER booster." This pack is just a booster. I like super boosters too, but that's not what this is. It is also cheaper than a super booster.
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The only difference between the two is how many points you'd get in Scrabble. Anything else is manufactured in people's heads.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Out of curiosity how much are the super boosters? I've got them at £5.99 on the EU site, which I put at about US$9.50. Meaning that, assuming the post saying BP said this will be US$9.99 is correct, the only difference between a Super booster and a normal booster is the name.
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"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
If you buy the booster, then you are saying "I am okay with paying this amount of money for this amount of cosmetic content".
It doesn't matter if you pause before reaching for your credit card, or if you lose some of the goodwill you have towards the Devs, or if you are slightly more wary towards future packs.
Nobody at NCSoft cares about what you feel. Either you're ponying up the cash for the booster, or you're not. That's the only distinction.
If you really want to make a difference, vote with your wallet. Yes, that means not getting something you want.
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I'm OK with this amount of cosmetic content. It addresses a section of the costume creator that is SERIOUSLY lacking and does not repeat the mistakes of overly strong powers in paid-for Boosters. What more could I ask for for less money than L4D2 cost me?
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Originally Posted by Silver Gale
If you buy the booster, then you are saying "I am okay with paying this amount of money for this amount of cosmetic content".
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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TF2 when it was on sale for about the price of a Booster during December of last year. :P
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Originally Posted by Tidbit Jr.
TF2 when it was on sale for about the price of a Booster during December of last year. :P
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But I agree, that was L4D2 at a massive 66% discount. Still, if I can snag entire high-profile games off Steam for $10, I'm not afraid of paying $10 for several auras that I've always wanted to have but never could.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'd have to agree with the 'How dare you call me stupid for spending money on what I wish' contingent. Would I be annoyed if they added this to the game and said 'Oh, we're locking this behind the level 20 Cape/level 30 aura missions?'
Yes. Yes I would.
Do I get annoyed that they lock things like the Roman Costume pieces, military epaulettes and Vanguard pieces away? Yes.
Why?
Because I like having my character made from the get-go. I hate it in fantasy games where I look like a riot of colour from quest armour, simply because I have no choice in the matter if I don't want to get killed, with only later on being able to get matching sets.
Playing Rushmore up to level 20 was... weird. Very weird. Why? No cape. Big American hero in red, white and blue, and no cape. He -needed- a cape, he did not look right without a cape, but I had to wait till level 20 to get that cape. Did this wait make the cape rewarding? Did running about all over the zones before doing a tiny little mission make the cape any better?
No. It made it worse. It made it -annoying- and pointless. In a game that touts it's character customization, gating essential costume pieces to the hero world like this is foolish, and now we can have capes beforehand (Shoulder, Valkyrie, Magic pack) it makes even less sense to gate it. If Capes and Auras are unlocked on one character, they should be unlocked on them all.
Auras are another thing that sticks in my craw. If you have a character who has glowing eyes? Level 30. That's how long you need to wait to actually complete your characters look. The Glowing Eyes face could seriously do with an update to add in the same tech that the Organic/Bioluminescent armour got, and pieces of the Resistance gear, but it still isn't actually a pair of glowing eyes.
Of course, now with Omega/Alpha auras, the combat auras from the Cyborg pack, there's yet again no need to lock the rest away at this high level (And Heroside, it's a pretty stupid story reason to get it. 'I'll implant you with alien, freak and mutant goup so you can glow as you get more powerful?' No. Just no.)
I welcome this pack, will gladly pay for it (Unlike the Party Pack, which is still too expensive for what it is, especially as the dances -should- have been in GR, Positron) and use a fair number of the capes and auras.
And hope that the sillyness will end and that the costume system will become what I think it should be, open and customizable from the get-go, without slaying 300 x or doing high level TF's or grinding for 1000 vanguard merits.
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Originally Posted by kangaroo120y
I hope they dont release many more. People are going to see this stuff somewhere, and are going to think 'oh that looks cool, I might try it' then when they get the game and get in there, they're going to be dissapointed that they have to fork out even more, just to get something specific they saw.
I would like a couple of boosters but I have no way of paying electronically, so for me, its just more stuff to miss out on. |
To be honest I'm curious how you pay for subscription without paying electronically - Timecards? Be nice if NCSoft had a system like time cards for the boosters, which even better would be a way of gifting people with boosters.
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I think the primary gripe people had with the mutant booster (aside from the "No Furries Bits" thing) was the limited scope of the pieces. The individual Magic or Cyborg pieces lend themselves to different concepts easier than the individual mutant pieces do. If you saw the mutant pack screenshots and thought "I never wanted a character with spiky organic bits" then you didn't have many other places to go with it.|
Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
It had more pieces than Super Science or Cyborg. Cyborg didn't even have one full costume set, since it completely lacked a Top piece. Magic mainly had more because of gender-exclusive pieces, leaving us with the abundant Martial Arts, which is a really great set for the price, especially since everything but the hairstyles can be used on all character models.
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It's a trade-off. For the things mutant is good at, it excels like no other part can. But it doesn't go much beyond that. Likewise, this booster is great if you always wanted a thunderstorm aura or a cape of leaves but, if those things don't jump out at you, it has a lot less to offer than packs with more flexible pieces.
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Firefly and Snowflake auras are going to be released as free content coming with i19. |
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Wait: firefly is not in there. Does this mean we're still not going to be able to put it on female characters, after this is released?
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If you don't believe auras are a lot of work, you really don't have even a basic understanding of computer programming. I will guarantee, stake money on the fact, that an aura is a significantly larger time investment than a costume piece (though I will allow the caveat that animated costume pieces like the tails we now have might be more complex.) I'd be willing to bet that each emanation point for an aura is its own separate piece of work.
In other news: I would pay to be able to unlock costumes already in the game. If a booster was released that did nothing but unlock costume pieces we can already get, I would buy it the day it was released (or earlier, if possible). I think unlockables are anathema to this game.
If I were to use a single phrase to describe this game, it would be "Create the Hero you wish to be." Unlockables fly flagrantly in the face of this, by adding the caveat "eventually, with some hard work and pointless grinding."
I hate unlockable costumes. I hate the aura/cape missions. I hate having a lot of the best armour pieces locked behind that ancient Nictus. And I really don't care how much whining it creates from other people; I will be glad to part with some of my extra entertainment dollars to be able to avoid the things I hate in this game.
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Thisthisthisthis. Some of the gated stuff is really grating--if I make a character whose concept is a Roman legionnaire thrown forward in time, I have to wait to 35 to unlock the Roman costume pieces. One of a dozen or two annoying little bits like that.
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Originally Posted by Zortel
Would I be annoyed if they added this to the game and said 'Oh, we're locking this behind the level 20 Cape/level 30 aura missions?'
Yes. Yes I would. Do I get annoyed that they lock things like the Roman Costume pieces, military epaulettes and Vanguard pieces away? Yes. Why? Because I like having my character made from the get-go. I hate it in fantasy games where I look like a riot of colour from quest armour, simply because I have no choice in the matter if I don't want to get killed, with only later on being able to get matching sets. Playing Rushmore up to level 20 was... weird. Very weird. Why? No cape. Big American hero in red, white and blue, and no cape. He -needed- a cape, he did not look right without a cape, but I had to wait till level 20 to get that cape. Did this wait make the cape rewarding? Did running about all over the zones before doing a tiny little mission make the cape any better? No. It made it worse. It made it -annoying- and pointless. In a game that touts it's character customization, gating essential costume pieces to the hero world like this is foolish, and now we can have capes beforehand (Shoulder, Valkyrie, Magic pack) it makes even less sense to gate it. If Capes and Auras are unlocked on one character, they should be unlocked on them all. |
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I think the best way to go forward with boosters would be to implement them so:-
A) You can purchase them from the store or
B) You can grind you way to earning the same costume parts or temp powers
that way nobody can gripe either way.
I personally won't be purchasing this pack or any future pack but not because they are no-good I actually really would like them but being from the EU I refuse to fund this game anymore as nothing seems to come back the EU way and would be really upset to find that my booster money paid from previous booster packs before GR, went anyway towards financing the US boxed version of the GR expansion or any future planned for expansions that won't make it to EU shores.
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Originally Posted by Slazenger
that way nobody can gripe either way.
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I still want them to sell more things to us. I repeat my old request for the old Hero pack ingame items and the ability to buy unlockable costumes.
Come on NC, take my money.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I think "please" should be added to the thread title, otherwise it seems kinda bossy
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