Issue 19 is WIN, but no proliferation?

Agreed.

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So you take an Assault set with more controls in it, like Electricity or Earth, to make up for it.

I feel you. Goblin Queen won't be complete until Doms get Illusions and perhaps Whip Assault as a secondary.

And the extra cherry on top - letting us customize the Phantom Army and the Phantasm.

I've never actually played Illusion Control so never really got phantom army to see, but I always thought that those pets (or any pets) don't get Containment bonus damage.

AFAICT, looking up Redtomax, no pet carries the "If target is Contained (Immobilized, Held, Slept, or Stunned)" tag to do bonus damage. But if they do, color me impressed.

The other side of the issue is setting up containment. Illusion only has hold, confuse and fear, no immobilizes or stuns. So less than a quarter of the sets controls even set up the controller for its double damage since confusion doesn't count.

I'm actually curious how much spectral wounds would do on a Dom. It does 1 scale damage, 1.5 sec animation and 6 sec recharge, all psi damage. Would it rank pretty high even with the healback?

^This.

There'd be no need for Illusion to change in any way or Domis. Just like there was no need for Illusion to get modified to support Containment when that was added.

And this is just flat out wrong, pets do not benefit from Containment in any way. Overpower notification was added after, but Critical mezzes existed beforehand, you just didn't see "Overpower" pop up.

As for whatever Je Saist is talking about I dunno.

The idea that Illusion Domination would be weak because it wouldn't benefit from Domination is one of those incorrect Forum conceptions people take and run with. Quite the opposite in fact (a perma out of the box pseudopet which can stack fears, each with a 15% to hit debuff. Yes please. 3 indestructable taunting pets. Yes please ).

You want an illusion dom? Pretend it's there already.

Problem solved.

I'd be perfectly happy if Illusion completely disappeared. With two invisibilities, I don't know what's taking it so long. Can't stand that set. Yes, I've run it to nearly 40. Still don't like it one bit.

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It actually does 1.64 scale damage but .64 heals back. The 1.64 is enhanceable fully, while the .64 ignores enhancements and buffs. Thus at level 50 it would do 86.6 damage base on a dom and heal back 33.81.

Slotted to ED cap it would do 173.2 but still only heal back 33.81.

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then you have probably answered your own question, havent you?

I feel that the developers haven't ported Illusion because it would require them to address Phantom Army, one of the most broken** skills in the game. Invincible pets that draw agro are not something they would want proliferated, and a port would require reworking the skill if not the set.

Super Strength and Rage are probably on the same footing when it comes to Scrapper damage scalars.

**Edit: Just to clarify, Phantom Army is THE most broken skill in the game. IMO of course.

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If the game focused on facing 3 or less enemies at a time you'd probably be right.

PA is not very good against more than a few enemies at a time. In terms of a "control" power (which they are first and foremost) they give up quite a bit of utility (like aoe stunning entire spawns) to excel at controlling singular foes.

In terms of being a damage power they are pretty weak if they are focusing on multiple targets because of the healback. If they focus on one target (like a lut, or boss) they can do some solid damage.

Based on SO's they aren't even remotely OP'd let alone "broken", as they allow you to take one alpha every 2 min. After that you have to drag them in to the spawn for them to take the alpha (which isn't a huge issue thx to invisibility, but invisibility isn't automatically taken when you pick PA). At the upper limits they are certainly very strong, but there are lots of very strong powers when you throw a lot of recharge at them.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but a term like "broken" is pretty strong. I know I wouldn't mind hearing your justification for such a powerful accusation.

That is not true. Controller pets do not benefit from containment.

We haven't had any proliferation since Issue 16. Issue 20 will be packed with Incarnate stuff and the end-game stuff.

Now's the time in a transitional issue like this. They're almost done. The can finish a couple of ATs right now.

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I forget - is that heal back resistible? (looks at poison MMs)
As has been mentioned, the pets don't benefit from containment - but Illusion and fire both had the least need for extra damage when containment was released.

Here's my reasoning. For every single ability that a hero/villain has access to, I could name some mechanic that counteracts it or at least mollifies its effectiveness. Whether that's PToD protecting AVs against mez, or abilities that grant foes +acc and +ToHit to break through high defense, or simply creating an enemy group with higher protection to certain mez types-- Nemesis and confuse come to mind-- there are tools that the developers can employ to counter hero abilities and make the game challenging.

What counteracts 3 untouchable pets that happen to do damage with a 27 second mag 4 taunt attached? I can't think of anything, and that's my reasoning.

Have you watched an Illusion/** solo some of the most difficult GMs and AVs this game has? Illusion Control isn't doing this because of the breadth of abilities available to the set, Illusion Control is doing it because Phantom Army puts up an indestructible wall. Plenty of sets have access to enough damage and -regeneration to take down similar foes, but only one set has the access to invincible set pieces. From a design stand point, I would never want players to have access to indestructible pets, let alone ones that do damage and possess long duration / high magnitude agro generating abilities.

And no, soloing AVs and GMs is not reason enough to label a skill as broken, as plenty of ATs can do the same and every character gets increasingly powerful through global recharge bonuses. But doing so without any risk whatsoever? Only PA grants this.

Illusion is a legacy set, and Phantom Army kind of floats under the radar because of this. As soon as Illusion is ported, however, Phantom Army would probably be looked at.

I am one who doesnt think that everything should be ported over. Some things should be unique within an AT IMO.

Cry Me a River............That no reason to be disappointed in the New Issue, Who cares about Illustion, when we can now make an Incarnate, with two new Task Forces.