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Ya I figured they would have introduced tiers of pvp IO's just like they did in pve. That way you'd more frequently earn some sort of trinket.

Such a system would allow them to do things like tripling the drop rate on your bounty target and tripling the drop rate while one side possess RV and it would actually result in a tangible difference. Cause right now the pve events that occur in pvp zones are beyond pointless from a pvp perspective.

That said, I don't think any reward system would help pull pve'ers into pvp anymore. Pre i13 where the two systems were essentially the same (just one was on speed and awesome) a solid reward system could have had the potential to get pve'ers away from static and mindless spawns. But the new ruleset is so divergent from pve that you really have to want to pvp in the first place to be willing to take on learning it. That greatly reduces the chance of pve to pvp conversions.

Do you mean single hit?
-DM/Shield, saturated soul+aao - midnite grasp crit = 2480 damage (dm/fire is at 2277 w/ FE, soul+crit because FE does not add to crits).

Do you mean dps?
-DM/Shield

Or do you mean something else?

*/Fire, while a lot better than before still trails way behind /shield in damage potential. The nice thing is that /fire can add that damage whether there is a group around or not. However, shield can ALWAYS add that kind of damage just by fighting, whereas /fire even under extreme recharge has a tiny uptime on FE.

If you can do without such discussions then you shouldn't enter into one saying things like examining which AT's benefit more than others from IO's is fruitless.

That is demonstratively incorrect. Everyone benefits from IO's, not everyone benefits equally. If someone cares about IO'ing for performance they probably care about how well their choice will respond to the investment (time/inf/effort) they put in to it. If they don't care about IO's then they probably don't care about how much their toon benefits.

You not caring that blasters don't benefit as much from IO's as some other AT's does not equate to understanding IO's as being fruitless.

@Cbeet, mez resistance is ok to slot for. The only problem with it is that it doesn't actually do much given the investment (compared to rech or def). Part of the reason is because of how mez duration works and part of the reason is because it isn't as readily available as some other bonuses.

Blasters also hit 1446hp with just accolades, which can be seen a bonus are a negative depending. They are really easy to hit their hp cap with so not much effort needs to be put into the goal, but that also means that the difference between a baseline blaster and a capped one is very small compared to every other AT.

I think it is safe to say that the success of this game has had nothing to do with their blunders in pvp. Feel free to counter though.

Their pvp follies have been a long standing joke in the MMO world and if this game were larger would have started to inch up the "NGE" list in terms of the amount of fail on the developers behalf.

Well now then you didn't read what I said. I said kill count AND continually seeking victory by killing the weakest links are the only goals in the pvp of this game.

Those go hand in hand in the arena. In zone the latter takes precedence. In both cases you end up not cycling through all the targets and are very frequently bumping into the 5 min timer reset on rolling an IO.

I'm sure with enough repetition this might become true.

Most definitely and I never suggested otherwise. Just stating what I heard from a lot of friends at the time. Personally I don't really care that much about costumes as long as I can more or less make what I set out to make. Which I generally can. At the same time I know the costume creator is this games best asset, so I understand those that want it to be continually and frequently improved upon.

Regarding the price to size aspect of GR I know personally I would have rather paid more and gotten more. I understand not everyone feels that way, but I do because we seem to more or less get a finite number of updates. Paying less and getting less is logical, but it doesn't seem to translate to an increase in frequency.

To clarify I look at the dance emote pack. I (and most others) want to give PS our money for updates and we look forward to the MT packs because they have features we can gobble up in addition to the normal updates. They only come a handful of times a year so when the dance pack largely sucked it isn't a matter of just not buying it because we now have to wait several months for the next booster to come out.

You get used to things being a certain way in the Pavlovian sense very quickly. MT packs satisfy x needs and major paid game updates satisfy x needs. When they don't the fact that it cost $2 less and $10+ less respectively, doesn't really matter to my satisfaction level. It matters to my valuation of the product, but at the end of the day I"m still left wanting (a lot) more and their being no way to get it from this product.

If GR eventually gets the things it was missing due to the cheaper cost that will be great. At such a time that will add great value to the package if/when they eventually show up.

From what I just read from Savage this isn't the case and was just a misinformed rumor. The IDF pieces seem to be like the other npc pieces in that they will 'eventually' make it into the creator.

Sometimes I'm torn with their information delivery techniques. I like hearing what they have planned, but they always seem to announce it too early because the actual execution is way way down the road.

I dare you to explain how ANY of the activities that go on in the pvp zones are pvp related.

Shivs, Nukes, Hotspots, Turrets+Av's...

Those are ALL pve aspects tacked on to pvp because the developers have no clue how to design pvp.

Even if we pretend those zone activities are magically pvp based as opposed to pve based then you would STILL go after the weakest link in the ones that potentially involve some pvp interaction. For example you are going to attack the push over that is glowing as opposed to the glowing person surrounded by a bunch of team mates if you want to steal some shiv bits. Same goes for Missile code pieces.

PvP is by definition a competitive environment. Like any competition you find the weak point in your opposition and you take advantage of it. You aren't being a 'jerk' if your power forward is 6'6 going against a 5'9 defender. You capitalize on the opportunity until they are able to stop you.

You are a jerk if you keep tripping him when the ref isn't looking, just like if you tp people into geometry locks and stuff like that.

Not everyone gets to touch the ball...nor should they. Competition isn't for everyone though whether it be games, sports, work, or life. Some people are just better at not being good at anything.

In all fairness we got like eleventybillion costume bits with CoV (granted they were villain only for a while), while GR had an insignificant number in comparison.

I know a lot of people that were hoping for a closet update similar to CoV with GR and it unfortunately didn't happen. Boosters and existing options aside there are still a ton of things they could add to the costume creator without having to dip into the more obscure (and likely difficult to implement) areas that often get talked about.

I'm starting to wonder just how sheltered your lives are. Maybe it is because I live in Vancouver and have to deal with language barriers every single day because of the numerous cultures interacting within the city, but I don't think he said what you think he said.

I'm pretty sure he was essentially asking "how were you brought up?" with regard to what he feels is people being rude in the face of his ESL status. What he means is you shouldn't be rude just because you can be rude. I know, I know, it is an internet forum, so it is probably best related to the newest episode of south park regarding Nascar. If people took a second to understand what he is saying (a test of one's own intelligence if you will) then I don't think this thread would be progressing in any way, shape, or form, as it has.

FWIW I don't agree with everything he is saying. I understand his feelings though and I can understand his position resulting from them. What I'm having more difficulty understanding is the position the 'regulars' are taking. You may want to think about the reputation this forum has built over the years of being welcoming, friendly, and informative. Choosing to perform the last function while being a jerk sort of defeats the purpose.

It's certainly a theory you have. Minimal research would probably convince you otherwise, but only if you did it yourself. Sort of a horse to water kind of thing.

I'm not unhappy about the company tooting it's horn, if you actually read what I wrote I suggested how they could do it even BETTER once I was informed that they were only taking a snippet of the available timeframe since GR has launched. But I guess it wouldn't matter what I said because you now have your blinders up. Like the fact I also said i19 was looking pretty darn good. Oh well, that must have zipped by the in blind spot too.

This is true there are lots of things IO bonuses can enhance. It's just that recharge and defense are generally the most powerful attributes and are available in spades.

It's only fruitless in the same way that it is fruitless to argue what kind of car to purchase with the intention of tuning it. Some cars are a lot more receptive to after market modifications because they are overbuilt in stock form and can handle serious upgrades without having to rework internals.

Which is to say, it's not fruitless at all if you care about IO'ing things.

Except you don't actually earn many drops from pvp'ing in the most efficient manner. If your goal is to win (which is the ONLY goal in this pvp system and it is ONLY achievable through pc defeat) then you end up greatly reducing the number of IO drop opportunities because you are strictly stuck with it rolling once every 5 min.

If you cycle through targets so that everyone gets a chance to die then you increase the number of IO drop opportunities because the system only rolls against rep valid targets and the rep timer takes 5 min to reset after you kill target 1. Because the only pvp activity in this game is kill count the most efficient way to win is to attack the weakest link over and over again, but that guts your drops.

So sure, more people pvp'ing would of course increase supply, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the reward system is farked up and doesn't actually mesh with the pvp system.

Now if they had alternate pvp activities like capture the flag or king of the hill, or sieging (I guess base raids would fit this description if they were enabled) you might see target rotation happening more often at which point even with the low level of pvp currently happening more drops would occur.

And if you read my post you can see for yourself where I informed the OP that if he was more familiar with the boards then he would have know to ignore such asshattery (or humor as you call it). Glad we agree on that. Though, expecting other people to be aware of the posting habits of everyone else is a bit asinine in and of itself don't you think?

Lastly, I didn't at any point suggest anything Lemur said was factually incorrect, just that he was being a jerk and attacked the OP before the OP got defensive. So whatever you are on about with demanding I show where he was wrong is pretty out to lunch.

Here's the OP again. I really don't see anything that warranted the degree of douchebaggery that Lemur displayed, but if you think it was called for then all the power to you. Ignorance is pretty blissful after all, as you seem pretty content.

If it mattered then it would matter. The 750K number is fluff. Feel free to attempt to ascertain anything of value from it though.

I apologize though I didn't see a time frame given for the report and just assumed they would have used semi up-to-date information in their presentation. Typically you plug those kind of figures in during the eleventh hour for maximum effect, especially when the number has the potential to have such visual shock. Or such has been my experience in doing such things for various companies.

Ya maybe, who knows though? The number is meaningless enough that nothing of value can be ascertained from it, but big enough that it looks impressive. I mean it is just shy of:

Hence it really is nothing more than a marketing number.

The sub numbers would be great, though we probably won't get them. The financials when released will as always present a heated discussion as people looking at them range from reasonably capable of understanding what they mean to downright clueless and they all tend to speak on it with passion.

Maybe. It wasn't even my thread and I started to get defensive reading Lemur's first post. The sarcastic overtone and the use of words like dumb have a strong tendency to rile people up. They are clearly insulting, whereas a term like fanboy is only insulting if you feel it carries negative connotation.

Honestly if you don't think he threw the first stone then you are cherry picking facts and minimalizing things that were said to make your position seem stronger. That's just dumb.

Do you feel like I just attacked you? I have nothing against you and actually just copied Lemur's first post (almost word for word) to illustrate what I mean. If you don't feel attacked then your instincts might need a bit of honing.

It sounds a lot higher than it actually is. It's been a good 7 weeks since release. If we estimate subs at around 75K (could be higher, could be lower, irrelevant for now). That works out to be 10 toons per account over 49 days, or 0.2 characters logging in to GR per account each day. For a game founded on alts and given the short level range of GR that really isn't that high.

It's a marketing number, nothing more.

That said, i19 looks pretty solid.

I vote for him having the ability to retain his in game avatar (though not necessarily the power selections available to the npc) while on his player account.

I can't speak for everyone but my blasters have between 5% and 10.4% base def (one runs weave+cj+steadfast, the other has no weave).

For me to go with a single positional type of def (ie range) I have to dedicate a tremendous portion of my IO's to that goal. Few of the ranged boosting sets bring such valuable additions as global rech and damage procs.

If I focus on s/l def the task is much easier due to 2 epic armors offering 10.5 def (base). So that route gives me a bit more flexibly to pick up some sets that boost global rech and have damage procs.

Conversely, my bs/shield has 32% def w/ weave, cj, steadfast and slotting (as well as ~38% global rech from slotting them). As a result I need to focus much less with my set IO's on adding additional def. In this case I need 13% def from IO's to softcap compared to 35-40% for the positionally focused blaster. What that means is once I'm done upping my def I can focus on procs, recharge, and anything else I desire.

At the end of the day I can't add much in the way of +damage through IO's, but the affect of being able to increase global recharge and add procs with much more ease compared to the blaster(s) ends up pretty dramatically boosting damage. Probably far more than if you could get like +80-100% damage buff through IO's, but had to give up the +rech and procs.

Basically a softcapped blaster (through individual build) isn't nearly as survivable as a softcapped any other AT because they all have more powerful tools to begin with and we all understand the multiplicative nature of layering protection. So in actuality the survivability gap widens as opposed to narrows like is being suggested. While on the other hand the ability to pack gobs of +rech and procs compared to most blasters (assuming everyone is aiming for def first) does do a decent job of narrowing the damage gap between blasters and other AT's.

There is little doubt that blasters benefit a huge amount from IO's, but pretty much everyone else can benefit more. Whether the game scales well enough for the other AT's to flex their more powerful muscles is a different matter...It can and does, but not everyone takes advantage of it, or wants to.

My traps/arch/dark has next to no issues taking out +1x8 fairly quickly. Not nearly as fast as my plant/kin/stone mind you, but fast enough where I'd call it a tier 2 (on a good day) or tier 3 farmer.

Depending on just want incarnate powers bring then who knows. Like you say though, pretty much everyone and their dog can take out /x8 stuff these days. Damage is something that everyone is packing in spades.