Issue 19 is WIN, but no proliferation?
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Posted on: 2010-10-05 13:00 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Melancton
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I'm thinking a cropped version of that pic belongs in your sig EG.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I knew it was only a matter of time before people started trotting that out. I'll see you in about four months. As I said when the merge was announced, I fully plan on my "I told you so" post six months after GR just to deal with this sour grapes objection.
Not that it's needed. The markets aren't even showing the hint of possible future problems, but the EvilGeko shall be patient. |
If being right is so very important to you, feel free. I've not said you're wrong, I'm simply going by what has been said and said that the case is yet to be proven. If you think that's sour grapes then I'm rather sorry for you. I have no problem with the market merge at all - but you've been quite selective in your response so I think I'll draw a line under this because it's not actually terribly productive.
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Illusion Dominators are coming. No worries Evilgeko ^_^ but the scales will be looked into heavily before release with i21 more than likely.
As for if they are over powered? Why not see for yourself?
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- Watch the fireworks
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Trying to get that picture cropped just for that reason. I miss MS Photo Editor... |
Originally Posted by Hallowed
I'm thinking a cropped version of that pic belongs in your sig EG.
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EDIT: NM it worked!
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With all the stuff in Issue 19 I can forgive them.
IMO, there have been so many new sets in the last few months that I'm not lacking anything I haven't played yet.
Also I would assume they WOULD need to tap into the powers team somewhat to get alternate animations working correctly, thus taking up Castle's team's time. I'd also assume that some of those new tfs AND zone events are going to have some mechanics that will take up Castle's time.
And most importantly, Incarnates and the Alpha slot would further take up more of their time.
And we don't even know what's in Issue 20 yet that might take up the powers team's time even more.
Not at all surprised or disappointed that there isn't more proliferation.
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I am not ticked that they didn't proliferate this issue, I just don't want them to forget about it in the future.
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THAT I COMPLETELY agree with.|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
I am not ticked that they didn't proliferate this issue, I just don't want them to forget about it in the future.
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Also cause I didn't say it in my last post:
Illusion for Doms would be fine.
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You probably do get "too defensive" and yes it is a half joke. And even though you can point out that ice can be transparent (thanks for that Dr. Science) it still is.........cold. Drops in temperature may be noticed. Unless the concept is room temperature ice. You always could go with that I guess. |
Originally Posted by Leo_G
I probably get far too defensive when it comes to Stalker concepts and proliferation, but do people actually think this way? Or are they only half joking?
Because a man made of ice can be just as clear as glass...invisible, one might say. Not that you even need to explain being invisible ice (concept = you're a stalker therefore you can turn invisible. end of story) but it's the easier concept to explain. |
But yes I was just being silly and making a little joke, so don't get so riled up. Sgt. Hulka wants to have a word with you, by the way.
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If the market merge had arrived with the division between Influence and Infamy in place I could see it easily making the average Red Side player seem poorer then the average Blue Side player.
The merge did not occur in a vacuum with it came side switching and the removal of the currency divide. The merge works because we have one main economy now not two.
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Heresy! We can never forgive the developers for anything!
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Given the other goodness we are promised in I19, and all the new shiny power sets we got in I18/GR, I think we can forgive the Devs for not proliferating anything in this instance.
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Merging the markets and merging inf is one in the same. You literally could not have done the former without the latter.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
If the market merge had arrived with the division between Influence and Infamy in place I could see it easily making the average Red Side player seem poorer then the average Blue Side player.
The merge did not occur in a vacuum with it came side switching and the removal of the currency divide. The merge works because we have one main economy now not two. |
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Oh no, it is quiet possible to do one with out the other.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Merging the markets and merging inf is one in the same. You literally could not have done the former without the latter.
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its not about being right, its about the original statement that the dev's judgement has never been for the best. when it has. many times. market merge is just a prime example.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
If being right is so very important to you, feel free. I've not said you're wrong, I'm simply going by what has been said and said that the case is yet to be proven. If you think that's sour grapes then I'm rather sorry for you. I have no problem with the market merge at all - but you've been quite selective in your response so I think I'll draw a line under this because it's not actually terribly productive.
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On the contrary, folk who were paying attention figured out what a merged market would look like shortly after I9. A factionally merged market would look just like the hero market, which is a 'merger' of various server populations that serves to smooth out supply/demand imbalances.|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Secondly, GR and the Market Merge has only been a very recent phenomenon, and it's hard to know yet what the long term effect of that might be.
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If pooling the servers was a good idea (it was) then pooling the factions was a good idea (it is, aside from the years they wasted letting ideology trump common sense).
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| Thirdly in 2007, there was no GR. Without the ability to side switch it is entirely possible that things may have looked very bad for the market. The Devs had said several times they looked at the numbers and it was not good. |
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An interesting perspective.|
Originally Posted by LISAR
Oh no, it is quiet possible to do one with out the other.
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How, exactly?
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The same way you allow people to team with each other but not pass wakies.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
An interesting perspective.
How, exactly? |
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
On the contrary, folk who were paying attention figured out what a merged market would look like shortly after I9. A factionally merged market would look just like the hero market, which is a 'merger' of various server populations that serves to smooth out supply/demand imbalances.
If pooling the servers was a good idea (it was) then pooling the factions was a good idea (it is, aside from the years they wasted letting ideology trump common sense). And that's hardly the first them they were cosmically, ridiculously wrong about something. |
Cosmically? Seriously? In a game?
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Even if side switching didn't exist, whenever a villain would sell an item to a hero on a merged market their Influence would become Infamy, and vice versa. So the monetary units would technically be merged as soon as a single cross faction sale took place.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
The same way you allow people to team with each other but not pass wakies.
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nm, julius already got there.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
The same way you allow people to team with each other but not pass wakies.
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haven't you been to the shadow shard?|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Cosmically? Seriously? In a game?
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No it's not. It is possible to merge inf without merging the markets, but not the other way around. You merge the market, you must merge the currencies.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
Oh no, it is quiet possible to do one with out the other.
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Couldn't you have every item on the market be flagged as "villain" or "hero"? If a hero tried to buy a villain item with influence, there would be a currency exchange fee, and vice versa. The markets would be merged, but the currency wouldn't.
I'm not saying this is desired or anything. Just wondering why it doesn't satisfy the requirements of the claim.
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Originally Posted by Eek a Mouse
Couldn't you have every item on the market be flagged as "villain" or "hero"? If a hero tried to buy a villain item with influence, there would be a currency exchange fee, and vice versa. The markets would be merged, but the currency wouldn't.
I'm not saying this is desired or anything. Just wondering why it doesn't satisfy the requirements of the claim. |
Anyway, with a blind auction system, it doesn't matter if there were an additional "currency exchange fee." Such a fee is a fiction, not a requirement. I see where you're going, but then you don't have a merged market, you have two separate markets running on the same interface and accessible by both sides.
So long as a bid of 3000 infamy bought you something posted for 3000 influence, influence and infamy are the same currency, even if there are additional processing fees.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
Not that it's needed. The markets aren't even showing the hint of possible future problems, but the EvilGeko shall be patient.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.