Awful SG recruiting practices


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Okay so we all have seen the ads that fill you chat box screen as some Super Group tries desperately to recruit new members. It can be annoying when they feel the need to do it over and over but check this "new" technique I encountered today....

I was in Atlas park with my new 4 level Kinetic Melee Scrapper when I got a tell asking if I wanted to join a team. I was at the entrance to the sewers about to broadcast and see if I could form one of my own and assumed whoever was contacting me was doing the same. Instead I discovered a mission in Peregrine island and the Tank that was the leader even asked if I wanted to use his bases teleporters to get there. I told him I was fine MY BASE had teleport and I'd be there shortly.

I arrived and made my way to the mission and was actually impressed .. the guy was a very good herding tank and the mission went very quick with no team defeats. I felt a little embarassed since I had a grand total of 4 attacks and hadn't even bothered to enhance with TOs yet let alone anything stronger but SSK was only giving me same amount of XP I'd have gotten if I was on a 4-5 level team and I was in the thick of every battle doing what I could to help.. hey if they didn't want a 4 level on a 50 level team then DON'T invite me right?

Okay mission ends and we start off toward the next one when this series of tells begins...

[Tell] Exxxxx: Hi.... Lookin for an sg?
[Tell] -->Exxxxx: I run one lol
[Tell] Exxxxx: unfortunate, i assume thats a no

Before I could even answer, and remember while I was STILL back in Atlas I mentioned I had a BASE with teleporters, the mission disappeared from my screen and I was back to level 4 again. I contacted the team leader and this was what I got in reply..


[Tell] -->Exxxxx: opps what happened? I got bumped off the team
[Tell] Exxxxx: no u were removed
[Tell] -->Exxxxx: I see Well THANKS so much for the 2 levels oh and I am putting you on global ignore Jerk

So Mister TACT contacted me out of the blue, I was not advertising that I was looking for a team and certainly didn't send him a tell begging to join, and then after one mission because I didn't jump at the chance to join his SG.. he kicked me and left me sitting in the middle of Peregrine Island with a character now facing villains 10 times stronger than my own. Fortunately I wasn't far from the Vanguard base and managed to get there without being killed. I reported him for grieving.. although I have no clue if what he did falls into that category under the TOS. Regardless it's a pretty sleezy way to recruit new members. Invite some low level to your team in a 40-50 level zone and then if they don't JUMP at the chance to join your group strand them there. If I'd run into anything I'd have been one shotted and then would have had an even LONGER run to get from the Hospital to the Vanguard base.. or run the OTHER way toward the base portal and TOWARD even higher level villains.

Anyone else have any stories like this?


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And people wonder why I don't team.

I haven't run into this, I'm afraid, but sheesh! That was a class A jerkass.


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Definatly a jerk. I have asked sg'less people if they want/need an sg if they are on my team and i think that is a valid way to recruit but I would never kick them if they said no. The fact that you already had an SG and he knew it suggest he thought he could steal you away from yours as well. So double sleezy.



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And people wonder why I don't team.
It's a real shame that 100% of the userbase are exactly as described in the first post.


 

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I get blind invites all the time and it sucks


 

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Jerky, definitely, but I honestly don't know if that'd be called griefing. It's more a sin of omission than commission.

I have not run into such individuals, no. The worst I've run across is people just sending me random SG invites, which I always turn down, and I've never heard from them again. I'll join SGs only if I've been on a team with people in one, and only if I liked them.

I don't see such anecdotes as the OP's as indicative of players as a whole, so frankly to say "This is why I don't team" seems quite extreme to me. I've met many, MANY more folks that range from average to great than I've met bad ones, and I'm 95% PuG to 5% soloing. This game is very friendly, actually if you've only played this game online I daresay you're spoiled. Don't get me wrong, team if you want to or don't, but to not team because you have a 1% chance of running into a jackhole isn't exactly playing the odds.


 

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It's a real shame that 100% of the userbase are exactly as described in the first post.
I may not get stuck by used needles 100% of the time I stick my hand in a box marked "sharps" either.


 

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hey if they didn't want a 4 level on a 50 level team then DON'T invite me right?
The tank behaved like a jerk, but you should've suspected that there was an ulterior motive. Why would a lvl 50 team want a random lvl 4 player?


 

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The worst I've run across is people just sending me random SG invites, which I always turn down, and I've never heard from them again.
I often like those because I'll join and see how long it takes to get kicked out when I won't run in SG mode and spam the SG chat to be promoted so I can raid their bins.


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I often like those because I'll join and see how long it takes to get kicked out when I won't run in SG mode and spam the SG chat to be promoted so I can raid their bins.
Do you check bin security first?


 

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The only good time I've had decent SG invites are at the end of beautifully run TFs.


 

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It's a real shame that 100% of the userbase are exactly as described in the first post.
It's a a real shame that 100% of my reasons to not team are people as described in the first post.

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Wait, what?


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I may not get stuck by used needles 100% of the time I stick my hand in a box marked "sharps" either.
Well, 100% of used needles are pointy so not getting stuck is pretty much luck. I wouldn't say that 100% of the user base is jerks. Or 50%. Or 10%. In fact, I remember the real noteworthy jerks primarily because they stand out, not because they're the norm.

Anyway, I've noticed a lot more blind SG invites lately. I don't know if it's because returning players are looking to fluff up their long abandoned SGs or what. For the last couple nights, I've gotten a blind invite from a team member nightly although none have copped an attitude when I declined it. Had they actually asked first and gave any hint what their SG was about (even "we just like to have fun") I may have been amendable to joining.


 

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The tank behaved like a jerk, but you should've suspected that there was an ulterior motive. Why would a lvl 50 team want a random lvl 4 player?
Once upon a time, I liked to invite random low-level people to team with me because I enjoy company. I haven't done that since I realised that 100% of... Wait, let me try that again. Since I realised that 99.99999999999999% of people I run into at random are not interested in company, but rather in "XPs."


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The tank behaved like a jerk, but you should've suspected that there was an ulterior motive. Why would a lvl 50 team want a random lvl 4 player?
Well Knight keep in mind that since SSK went into effect a lot more teams are padding with whatever they can find. this occurred at about 2PM Eastern time .. so on the West Coast it was only around lunch time.. Not exactly the best time in the world to be trying to fill an 8 man PUG at any level at least not during the "normal" work week. I assumed the leader was just happy to find an 8th team mate. Between that and playing at at least +2 diificult (we were facing 52 and some 53 level Council in the one mission I was on) everyone was making good XP, INF etc.

Now if I'd been trailing along behind never attacking at all and just soaking up XP I could see giving me the boot but like I mentioned the guy was a good herding tank and I KNOW how to play with one. There were times after he got the mob gathered that I was actually the first or second one to dive into the mob and start attacking... In other words I was doing the best I could to contribute. I wasn't jumping in early and ruining the herd but I certainly wasn't standing around watching either.

The ONLY reason this clown had for booting me was the fact that I didn't jump at the chnace to join his SG. And booting me in the heart of Peregrine at level 4 (actually level 6 but I hadn't had time to train yet) just proved he was a total A**.


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A regrettable situation, but one that you can learn to avoid in the future! Whenever I get a random Tell like that, I briefly add the person to my friend list, allowing me to see where they're at and what level they are. If they're not a match for my level or in some far-away zone (or sometimes even if their Tell is composed poorly), then it probably isn't something I'd enjoy very much, and I pass on the offer.

As for Tells from strangers inviting me to super groups, those people are immediately put on my ignore list. While this may seem harsh, I've found that no one in a QUALITY super group will recruit in that manner to begin with. Furthermore, many characters who spam these ads via Tells will inevitably belong to the same player. For these reasons, judicious use of the ignore filter has led to a more pleasant experience, allowing me to spend more of my time meeting QUALITY people.


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I have had similar situations happen a couple of times. Global ignore, a one star and notes never to team with them again.

It's been gratifying to be starting a TF, find the person has been invited, then tell the leader what happened in the past, then watch the leader boot them. Friends are great things to have when they stick up for you.


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Once upon a time, I liked to invite random low-level people to team with me because I enjoy company. I haven't done that since I realised that 100% of... Wait, let me try that again. Since I realised that 99.99999999999999% of people I run into at random are not interested in company, but rather in "XPs."
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I have had similar situations happen a couple of times. Global ignore, a one star and notes never to team with them again.

It's been gratifying to be starting a TF, find the person has been invited, then tell the leader what happened in the past, then watch the leader boot them. Friends are great things to have when they stick up for you.
I absolutely love the star/notes feature. Globals can get cycled off ignore lists when spammers are out in force or purged when someone is doing spring cleaning. (I spring clean my list once or twice a year) The star/notes don't go away.


 

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Well Knight keep in mind that since SSK went into effect a lot more teams are padding with whatever they can find. this occurred at about 2PM Eastern time .. so on the West Coast it was only around lunch time.. Not exactly the best time in the world to be trying to fill an 8 man PUG at any level at least not during the "normal" work week. I assumed the leader was just happy to find an 8th team mate. Between that and playing at at least +2 diificult (we were facing 52 and some 53 level Council in the one mission I was on) everyone was making good XP, INF etc.

Now if I'd been trailing along behind never attacking at all and just soaking up XP I could see giving me the boot but like I mentioned the guy was a good herding tank and I KNOW how to play with one. There were times after he got the mob gathered that I was actually the first or second one to dive into the mob and start attacking... In other words I was doing the best I could to contribute. I wasn't jumping in early and ruining the herd but I certainly wasn't standing around watching either.

The ONLY reason this clown had for booting me was the fact that I didn't jump at the chnace to join his SG. And booting me in the heart of Peregrine at level 4 (actually level 6 but I hadn't had time to train yet) just proved he was a total A**.
But with the game's difficulty settings there's really no need to pad a team with a level 4. If this was on Virtue i'm pretty sure i can guess who it was. If it's the one i'm thinking of he's fairly notorious for inviting people to teams, playing for a little while, and then kicking them the minute they decline the offer to join his SG. He also tanks old-school MMO/very early CoH style, where the team is expected to stay waiting at a specific corner while he tries to herd the map, sometimes leaving the closer spawns to aggro on random teammates as he hits the cap of 17 and continues on picking up new aggro. Then he runs back and eventually tells you when you can attack. Of course i may be thinking of the wrong person.


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Originally Posted by Jophiel View Post
Well, 100% of used needles are pointy so not getting stuck is pretty much luck. I wouldn't say that 100% of the user base is jerks. Or 50%. Or 10%. In fact, I remember the real noteworthy jerks primarily because they stand out, not because they're the norm.
This is my take as well, i can count on one hand the amount of real jerks i have met in 75 months, so its less than 6 and a half. If you don't team, you do it for your own reasons, not because a representative sample of players are "jerks". Yeah maybe a few are, but they are on the low percentage. and yes, while my home server is liberty i played on prot, guardian, freedom and virtue too.


 

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Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy View Post
[Tell] -->Exxxxx: I see Well THANKS so much for the 2 levels oh and I am putting you on global ignore Jerk
I would have one-starred him and attached a note so I could avoid him in perpetuity.


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I absolutely love the star/notes feature. Globals can get cycled off ignore lists when spammers are out in force or purged when someone is doing spring cleaning. (I spring clean my list once or twice a year) The star/notes don't go away.
... unless you don't back them up, move to another system, format your system, etc.