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My understanding is that if you don't have any powers from the Fitness pools when this change goes live you will automatically be given the inherents. So if you respec out of them now you should be ok. You don't have to wait.

Presuming you are OK with just the base slot.

"Only" partial mez protection, as a step up from only NO mez protection? Huh. As far as "less damage than we could do before..." Well, look up the word "chortle."

As opposed to not being to mail anything to anyone at all? What did we lose again?

Which... They already had before the changes, so again, what did we pay with for the changes? And considering people still play Stalkers and they still do just fine, I beg to differ.

Yeah, those attacks that ATs don't have any other access to anywhere else in the game. And what does the change to Focused Accuracy years ago have to do with paying a price for proliferating Epics now?

I dare say that's your own fault. Because I keep seeing Kheldians pretty much as frequently as I've always seen them. And again - if the Kheldian changes were "not enough," how does that equate to getting changes but losing something else? Kheldians lost nothing. Right now, they are as good as they were before the changes or better in EVERY conceivable way. They lost nothing.

If you're not looking for a flame war, you might want to be more careful about the absurdities you state as facts before you start weaving arguments out of them. I have nothing against cautious optimism, but what you're apparently basing your fears on is utter nonsense.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

If the character is a level 50, yes. Otherwise you'll be able to drop slots into it the next time you get slots.

I'm failing to see where "partial mez protection" is a downside when blasters had, oh, none before. Also, new defiance is only an overall damage nerf if you were playing like a flapping idiot before.

Which is exactly one more item than you were previously able to mail at a time. Not seeing a cost here.

Was always there in issue 6. Stalkers were a lousy design from the outset.

Funny, I remember people complaining at CoV launch about not getting the APPs since the PPPs were so bad statistically in comparison. With the exception of Focused Accuracy, the APPs haven't gotten any worse since then, and the PPPs haven't gotten any better, so...

And as far as Focused Accuracy goes, that was never billed as anything other than a nerf, and it needed it. They didn't nerf the power's effects to compensate for them reducing the endurance cost; they reduced the endurance cost because they nerfed the power's effects. (In other words, they intended to nerf the power's effects all along. They lowered the endurance cost because the old endurance cost was no longer appropriate. Of course, it still is too high compared to, say, Tactics.)

Yep.

I keep seeing the term "Signed NDA" being questioned.. but haven't all of the NDA's prior to this been "digitally signed"? It seems to me that, that is exactly the case here.

I haven't been in a CoH Closed Beta requiring an NDA since CoV.. so my memory may be a little fuzzy there, but I would almost swear that the wording used then was equal to the player 'signing a non-disclosure agreement' by accepting their spot in the Beta.

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I agree with your point overall. But to me the email change was a fix to the email system. It should have been there in issue 9.

Actually your normal attacks have high endurance cost, damage auras are incredibly efficient.

These are all what I called "half-*****". If you're going to give an AT mez protection, don't do it half-*****. If you're going to buff Stalkers or Kheldians, fix the real problem, don't throw a band-aid on it. In a game that has HUNDREDS of enhancements, recipes, and salvage items why on Earth would you introduce an email system that only allows you to mail *1* item at a time with a 15 second timer!?!?!? And seriously... if you're going to "reward" me for getting to level 41 by giving me access to powers I can't normally get at least try to make them worth taking. Focused Accuracy was the only decent APP, and now it's nearly useless, and certainly not worth the end cost.

Seriously, are you so accustomed to the devs throwing you a tiny tiny bone every once in awhile that you see any little improvement as being the most bestest thing the devs have evah done? I'm sorry, but I am reserving judgement until I see exactly how this is gonna pan out. History is NOT on their side here. Again, I hope I'm wrong. I really do.

No I call a pack with just emotes for $8 half *****. The stuffed you complained about as being drawbacks is laughable compared to that.

The only correct part of this post.

because they don't want the servers to lag out?

crazy, I know....

Now THIS is true.

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Uh-huh. So you prefer nothing, then? You prefer that Blasters were left to suck hard and nothing be done about them, vs. their state of being just about fine now? I'll take a damage buff overall and the ability to kill what's chain-holding me over the self-satisfaction of having a non-half-***** nothing done to them.

Because of server considerations? Because they want to put a soft limit on these transfers by employing "balance by annoyance?" Because they'd rather you didn't e-mail stuff to yourself all the time? You got to mail stuff to yourself. That's more than what you had before. I'm sorry it's not enough for you. Maybe you'd prefer to not mail anything at all? Because you can do that by... Not mailing anything at all. And I'll keep mailing things to myself, happy to have been proven wrong that this would be a bad idea to add to the game.

Maybe you don't appreciate the value of having, say, shields on your Blasters, but I do. And I'm not sure why you were expecting anything more. Were you somehow led to believe that the system would suddenly remove AT limitations and let you take powers your AT has no business taking? Because if that's the case, then my Blaster would like to have Unyielding, Against All Odds and Strength of Will, please.

And, seriously, would you rather have what we had back in I1 when we got levels 40-50? Because what we had then was zilch. Well, we had "the same powers I didn't take before," that much is true.

I happen to see any improvement as - and this may shock you - an improvement. I mean, call me crazy, but I'm happy when the game I enjoy to play gets improvements, but I guess I just don't think four-dimensionally enough.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Yes, apparently we have vastly different expectations. I have always believed if you're going to do something you should do it right, 100%, and never anything less. The thing is after 6 years you and others are so accustomed to getting tiny bits of half-***** things here and there you're positively chuffed anytime another tiny bit is tossed your way. Which I guess is great from a dev standpoint cause they really don't ever have to put too much time or energy into doing anything right cause y'all be happy with anything they churn out. Sorry, not me. I call it as I see it.

Cause when the game is full of half-***** improvements guess what you have? A half-***** game. And that's the last I'm going to say on the subject.

And your arguments are at best, half-baked.

Not giving you the buff you want, or as much of a buff you want, is not equivalent to "paying" for a buff with another game change that negates the effect of the buff.

I also assume you've always believed in never getting anything done, ever. Which is fine, I guess. A bird in the hand is worth twice in the bush. See, I can spout trite slogans, too.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

See now... that's a bit unfair for you to lump in people making posts about their thoughts and railing on them for it and saying they're doomsaying (Actually, it's preposterous for you to say that).

I haven't seen anyone doomcrying about it. I saw Slashman and myself post that it seems a bit odd to give everyone Swift and Hurdle.
Slashman stated concerns about Swift. I stated that Hurdle will be much more noticeable/problematic for myself, but that I knew each person would have their own preference/dislike/thought (I barely notice Swift... My Wife notices it a lot more, from previous conversations we've had).

I repeatedly stated how positive I feel about the change overall and just brought up this one aspect and wondered aloud (As it were) about whether there may be a way to avoid every single character having Swift and Hurdle.

Why care about inherent Hurdle/Swift?
Unlike most games, this game allows for custom/tailor-made feel/concept/design for each and every character. Some characters fit well with being able to jump over 10 feet from standing still... Some don't.
Unslotted Hurdle changes your jump height from 4 feet to 10.7. As you can see... that's 267.5% of the normal jump height. That is a big difference and something that could feel out of whack for many many character concepts.
Giving every single character Hurdle removes a bit of the control players have with this game in maintaining their imagined character concepts. The same could be said about inherent Swift.

It's not the end of the world, but for players who care about such things, it is a potential negative effect of this change.
If you can't see the logic behind that and instead wish to dismiss and insult any who would suggest such a thing, I suppose you are free to go ahead


And I agree with this reasoning. I fully recognize that the work involved to curtail giving everyone Hurdle/Swift me be evaluated as too much by Paragon Studios and I accept that.
It does not prevent me or anyone else from bringing it up as a negative aspect to this change. The powers that be can do what they like with that feedback.
I do think that the ability to customize such aspects of our characters is a huge element of appeal with this game and I think it'd be great to provide a way to select or deselect these powers - Much like Veteran Reward Bonus Powers. If they were able to, and wished to, they could set these powers up to be claimed.
If they can't/don't, then, oh well.
I'm just not going to see a potential negative and assume that it is beyond altering. That's their job, not mine. I'll respectfully post my feedback/opinions and trust in them to do as they will.

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In the comics, Apex kept saying he wanted armor. So I don't think it's a bad idea to put Apex in armor, I just don't think the Vanguard armor is the best option for him.

All except Combat Numbers and Email changes being changes that make the low-level game smoother and more fun.

They've already put in the catch. Have you actually played Praetoria? The content is harder. Enemies hit harder, and debuff more. Lots of ambushes. Lots of "special spawns" and not so many 3-minion spawns to fill up your insp tray. People alternate between praising the more interesting missions and complaining that they are too difficult for low levels. Now wouldn't it be nice if we were better equipped to handle the increased difficulty, so we could have missions more interesting than glorified paper missions throughout the game, at all levels?

This also encourages alting, which means that there isn't as much of a rush to put out as much end-game content. Just proliferate a powerset or three to keep people entertained while you work on more end-game. Not that I'm not still going to complain about a lack of endgame, of course, but some people are easily distracted or just don't play their 50s very much.

Apex is a Scrapper, armor is for wusses.

He's a signature character, and as such should retain his signature look. Fusionette and Faultline kept theirs, after all.

Blasters weren't given mez protection, not even half-*** mez protection. You can use three powers while you're mezzed. You still can't move, use inspirations except for awaken, or use any other powers. That's not mez protection. They're not supposed to have mez protection, because they're SQUISHY.

Pray tell, what is the "real problem" and how would you fix it?

(Ok, with Stalkers the problem is that an AT that relies on surgical strikes and single-target damage is pretty useless in a game that has turned into an AoE-focused blitz fest, but that's a flaw in the AT's basic design.)

You have hundreds of enhancements, recipes and salvage items that are worth mailing? Really? Or are you one of those people that mails Ceramic Armor Plates to yourself?
APPs are intended as a reward? First I've heard of it. If you're going to "reward" me for getting to level 35 by giving me access to a power I couldn't get before that at least make it worth taking, I mean a crappy self-rez, what is that? I hereby demand the removal of all powers I don't feel are worth taking from the game.

I also demand access to all powers at level 1, double the number of enhancement slots, and for every enemy to fall down instantly and give me double XP and inf the second I walk into the mission. Anything less is half-**** and we shouldn't be happy about it.

The problem is, of course, getting everyone to agree they did something right - and 100% right at that - is going to be next to impossible, especially for a change like Defiance got.

"Its overpowered!"

"Its underpowered!"

"Its just right!"

"You forgot something!"

"That's not the real problem!"

"You should've done this instead!"

"That's stupid! They should've done this instead!"

So on and so forth. And of course, how the change works in the long run, never mind how it interacts with individual players, play styles, etc., isn't something that can always be easily be seen or determined anyhow. A particular buff or nerf might do significant for me specifically, after all. Or it could wreck (in reality or merely perception) everything I've tried to work to up until that point.

And of course, all developers have their own internal dialog we're not privy to - some might be for one thing, others for another, others for yet something else. Yet eventually one will get picked out, even if its not what everyone truly wanted. Likewise, there maybe be other considerations too - security, performance, etc. I know enough folks that got their MMO accounts hacked and cleared out to be thankful its not such a quick and easy process here! As much as I dislike them, I'm also glad that the trial accounts have their limitations to blunt what RMT/spam-jerks can do.

I've not seen a MMO get "it right, 100%, and never anything less" - not a single one. Its start off, adjust, continue, adjust, continue adjust. Its constant and ongoing process. Businesses have to do this. Creative folks do this over the course of the careers. Athletes do this. While I'm sure you can list things that expectations work well with as a one-time event, it doesn't work for everything (and getting "it right" really needs some sort of objective standard of measure otherwise its impossible to say if you did or not).

And, honestly, if you can get it right, 100% and never anything less each and every time, you might be setting your sights too low. If you're not failing, you're not pushing yourself.

edit: And if you can't see how it could've been done better in retrospect, you might not be looking close enough. You do the best you can do with what you've got, what you're limited to, etc., and learn for the next time.