Demons & Zombies Blue-side!?!?


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Sir, your misinterpretations, false impressions, or downright slanderous lies are characteristic of a livingist bias. This language carries the danger of setting back zombie and their Masterminds rights for years, and perpetuating negative stereotypes of the negative-energy-aligned. I shall not allow it be so when a Mastermind and their zombies are given no guarantee of acceptance in society.

As an advocate for rights for all life-challenged at home, and believer in human rights at all stages of life and after abroad, I cannot sit idle while words, indeed trends, this dangerous grow among your "hero" society, threatening to spill over into society at large, which I can aver already has a negative enough disposition against my clientèle.

I can count on one remaining necrotic hand the instances of positive representations, good role models, and beneficial images your society has brought forth into the public sphere. Contrast this with an unending litany of images of slavering-mouthed, mindless, depraved, brain-eating savages spewing forth from the vaults of Paragon City society's propaganda centers. Even the most progressive examples of zombie representations from within Paragon's walls serve to vilify life-challenged citizens, and I shall oppose every one.

Should a zombie pay for the crimes that ended his life in the first place? Should the protections under the law cease with the drawing of your breath? Should a citizen give up all he is just because he is life-challenged? The fault cannot be held upon the life-challenged but in fault the Mastermind who uses them. Are you to say that being in life or after is incapable of redemption?

I have every faith that mankind will come to accept their zombie siblings in time. You cannot stop the movement of those who refuse to stop moving. Deceased Americans have been elected to Senate office, collected federal salaries, published popular music tracks, and served as spiritual guide to the living. Suffrage is due these long-suffering people.

I implore you to apologize publicly for your scathing words, and issue a statement that makes your positive stance on life-challenged citizens clear.

And if you do join the deceased, look me up, for I shall represent you.


 

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Originally Posted by ChaosAngelGeno View Post
Sir, your misinterpretations, false impressions, or downright slanderous lies are characteristic of a livingist bias. This language carries the danger of setting back zombie and their Masterminds rights for years, and perpetuating negative stereotypes of the negative-energy-aligned. I shall not allow it be so when a Mastermind and their zombies are given no guarantee of acceptance in society.

As an advocate for rights for all life-challenged at home, and believer in human rights at all stages of life and after abroad, I cannot sit idle while words, indeed trends, this dangerous grow among your "hero" society, threatening to spill over into society at large, which I can aver already has a negative enough disposition against my clientèle.

I can count on one remaining necrotic hand the instances of positive representations, good role models, and beneficial images your society has brought forth into the public sphere. Contrast this with an unending litany of images of slavering-mouthed, mindless, depraved, brain-eating savages spewing forth from the vaults of Paragon City society's propaganda centers. Even the most progressive examples of zombie representations from within Paragon's walls serve to vilify life-challenged citizens, and I shall oppose every one.

Should a zombie pay for the crimes that ended his life in the first place? Should the protections under the law cease with the drawing of your breath? Should a citizen give up all he is just because he is life-challenged? The fault cannot be held upon the life-challenged but in fault the Mastermind who uses them. Are you to say that being in life or after is incapable of redemption?

I have every faith that mankind will come to accept their zombie siblings in time. You cannot stop the movement of those who refuse to stop moving. Deceased Americans have been elected to Senate office, collected federal salaries, published popular music tracks, and served as spiritual guide to the living. Suffrage is due these long-suffering people.

I implore you to apologize publicly for your scathing words, and issue a statement that makes your positive stance on life-challenged citizens clear.

And if you do join the deceased, look me up, for I shall represent you.
Now, THAT was Awesome! 8)


 

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Tell that to Infernal and Dark Defenders.
What Kitsune said! LOL My DS/DM's profile actually says she is from the same dimension as Infernal so if HE can run around Paragon City casting demons to do his bidding then she can too! Going Rogue will cause a LOT of raised eyebrows from certain players.. "What is HE doing here? He has badges claiming he's Positron's Ally. So why is he robbing banks in Cap?"

Hey according to Canon lore Malaise started as a criminal and was helped to control his mind by Sister Psyche becoming a hero. And if I am not mistaken at some point he also crossed back over the line and returned to his evil ways. Sirrocco actually has an exploration badge in Atlas where he helped to battle the Rikti [Undefeated] before turning bad and winding up one of Recluse's trusted Lieutenants. So changing sides and alignments is nothing all that unusual and I'm sure everyone will get used to hords of demons trailing behind Rogue MMs in Kings Row or PI quickly.


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Demons & Zombies Blue-side!?!?...When GR goes live, I'm gonna have a really hard time seeing demons & zombies running around Paragon City! Granted, I'm a nobody and I'm not saying you shouldn't be able too. I'm just saying, I'm gonna be watching you! 8)
But but! I'm already running a Zombie hero side!


 

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Fluffy is a unwilling servant from the netherworld. Harmless, maybe. Slave? Without a doubt.




HEROES ARE PRO-SLAVERY!
Fluffy was also black, until Power Customization came along


*runs away from threadlock*


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Demons & Zombies Blue-side!?!?...When GR goes live, I'm gonna have a really hard time seeing demons & zombies running around Paragon City! Granted, I'm a nobody and I'm not saying you shouldn't be able too. I'm just saying, I'm gonna be watching you! 8)
who said they are serving willingly? the hero may be that dominating that they can force demons and zombies to serve and defeat evil, maybe even in a nonlethal way, because they are THAT good.

heck, if you want to get a bit specific, in the bible, the followers of..the j-man were given the ability to command demons, so who is to say that a really really pious person isnt using the strength of their faith to command the demons to do good? And if anime is anyway accurate, Buddhist priests can occasionally placate demons and turn them to doing good. so maybe that zombie is really a yokai. My current demon mm is a demon who is repenting her actions during the fall after seeing the human suffering she sees in the rogue isles.(re-conceptualized as a philosophical discussion rather than a military battle) and she is the unwilling leader of a group of repentant demons seeking redemption by hunting down the evil unleashed by the ban pan and cot. So she can be a bit emo, but certainly within the standards of comics with a repenting hero, though she has a great deal more of a sense of humor than speedball/penance.


 

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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight View Post
Fluffy is a unwilling servant from the netherworld. Harmless, maybe. Slave? Without a doubt.

HEROES ARE PRO-SLAVERY!
Not necessarily. They could be arguing in their spare time... er... *reset*

Not necessarily. Some areas, at least, if you drive around you'll see signs about (say) "State prisoners working." I don't think they're exactly doing so willingly (they wouldn't be there cleaning up garbage or whatnot "just because," most likely) though given the choice between that and "sit in your cell," well... Paying off a debt, essentially, could also be construed as "serving unwillingly" without it being slavery.

Or Rian's explanation


 

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Or it could be like in the Necroscope novels. The dead are willingly rising up to help you, because they like you. I have a villain (who may go hero) who is a 100% normal person. So why does he have a pack of demons obeying him? They approached Random Access Man on their own, and decided to serve him as a way to pass the time.


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Or it could be like in the Necroscope novels.
Ooh, haven't read those in a while. Got far too disappointed with the later ones though - can't recall which one it was, but it was the first I'd picked up in some time, and the Writer! Loved! Using Exclamation! Points! Far! Too much! - to the point it was almost painful to read.

The early ones are still enjoyable, though. I should hunt them down.


 

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Anything goes in comics and I have plenty of heroes that look(and act) like villains.


 

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Originally Posted by Madam_Enigma View Post
Or it could be like in the Necroscope novels. The dead are willingly rising up to help you, because they like you. I have a villain (who may go hero) who is a 100% normal person. So why does he have a pack of demons obeying him? They approached Random Access Man on their own, and decided to serve him as a way to pass the time.
Sort of like the Shinigami (Gods of Death) in Death Note. They weren't really evil (okay, Ryuk was at least a bit masochistic...), mostly just bored because their realm was... well, incredibly boring. Pretty much all of the Shinigami were fairly willing to help whoever possessed their notebook (with Ryuk being the biggest *** hole about it), not really incredibly concerned about Good vs Evil, with Rem and Gelus both being shown as fairly protective (if not loving) of Misa.

The Shinigami could easily be called Demons based on their appearance (they better fit the old definition of daemon, neither good nor evil), and that's just a very simple example.

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A completely made up example would be that your character made a pact with a powerful Demon Lord. You've sold the Lord your soul, in exchange for control of a powerful force of Demons to do your bidding. Your intentions, at first, might have been evil and selfish (which would explain why the Demon was willing to go along with it), but you had some sort of experience with, say, a Divinely Powered Hero, that began turning you from a path of darkness, to redemption and eventually becoming a Paragon of Redemption (ooo, that'd be a good badge title!).

It's easy to come up with RP reasons for any powerset in the game to be on any alignment. If you can't come up with an explanation, that just means you're not trying hard enough.


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;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!

 

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Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy View Post
Going Rogue will cause a LOT of raised eyebrows from certain players.. "What is HE doing here? He has badges claiming he's Positron's Ally. So why is he robbing banks in Cap?"
I'm just guessing here, so I could be (probably am, who knows?) wrong.

I would guess though that your badges will change depending on which side you are currently aligned with. We already know there are 2 versions of most (all?) of the badges; a heroic version and a villainous version, so I'm guessing they will switch back and forth as you change sides.

ie go from Positron's Ally to Positron's Bane (or something, I'm not sure what the exact wording would be)

As for the OP: one example - Anita Blake [a "good" necromancer, a vampire hunter, and a vampire's human servant/lover all at the same time]


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There are a huge number of heroes that get their powers from demonic sources (Spawn for one), use demonic magic, are witches or simply are demons themselves.

In game you have been playing with demons and demonic heroes since day one. Do you think all of those horned, bat winged guys shooting smoking skulls out of their hands were fairies? One of the main heroes, Infernal, uses demon binding.

There is no hell/heaven in city of heroes so your good/bad concept doesn't work. Most of the cities demons don't come from hell, they come from another dimension.

In any case good and evil are seperated by a grey line, and regardless of were your powers come from, it is up to you to decide how to use them. Don't be surprised if that flaming demon charging at you throws down his claw to help you up and kick some bad guy butt.


 

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My nightmare summoning mastermind will be making her way to Paragon at some point


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Given we have reformed Nictus running around (and other heroes that look outright demonic/evil) it's not really thaaat big of a change from the norm.
They are called 'Anti-heroes', and they have something the rest of you spandex-pansies don't have in your shiny happy world: Pathos.

-Darkman
-Wolverine (to a small degree)
-Cloak and Dagger (sort of)
-The Punisher (big time)

The list is as long as both my legs and one arm.


 

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As for the OP: one example - Anita Blake [a "good" necromancer, a vampire hunter, and a vampire's human servant/lover all at the same time]
Totally forgot about those books :P They were good until they turned into 500 pages of sex.


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Totally forgot about those books :P They were good until they turned into 500 pages of sex.
Yes, Mrs. Hamilton went a little nuts with the "all sex and no story" for awhile there.

Most recently, she's started listening to her reader base again and the past couple of books have been much better and started getting back to the actual story-line.

If you enjoyed the early books, I'd recommend that you "tough it out" (or at least quickly skim past all the sex for the few tidbits of story in the middle books) and get caught up with the series.


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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight View Post
Fluffy is a unwilling servant from the netherworld. Harmless, maybe. Slave? Without a doubt.

HEROES ARE PRO-SLAVERY!
Actually, Fluffy is stuck in a job Fluffy doesn't like because Fluffy got over its fluff in debt. On its fluffy-mobile there's a bumper sticker that says, "I owe, I owe, so off to work I go." Massive amounts of fluffy card debt, student loans, fluffy-car payments, and being upside down on a fluffy house plus a lousy adjustable rate mortgage will do that.

Fluffy would rather be doing a different job, but until Fluffy's financial situation (and job market) improves, this is the only gig that (almost) pays the bills.


 

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Granted, it wasn't a human he brought back, but if Harry Dresden can bring back Sue...

You can easily play it similar, in that the dead do not have a will. They are driven by the will of the necromancer. If he raises them to fight evil, then good.


 

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Granted, it wasn't a human he brought back, but if Harry Dresden can bring back Sue...

You can easily play it similar, in that the dead do not have a will. They are driven by the will of the necromancer. If he raises them to fight evil, then good.
That's still very much a violation of a corpse. It works best if the deceased give permission.


 

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Another thought on Zombies.

Convicts with multiple life sentences.


 

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Let's see....

Thugs: How about freedom-loving Scottish hooligans? Kind of a modernized Jacobite uprising against Emperor Cole?

Mercs: You washed out of the Super Soldier Program because they thought you were too much of a loose cannon. Hah...had too much of a mind of your own is what they meant. Seeing how the political winds were blowing, you rounded up a few of your buddies and went to ground in Paragon City. You know there are plenty of people and organizations here who have done research into super soldier engineering and who have some pretty nice military gear to boot. May as well bust some heads that need busting while looking for your answers.

Robots: Baby Transformers spawned by that Cube thing, and brought to Paragon City to be reprogrammed and made useful. You just happen to be the poor wretch who got volunteered for the job of cleaning up after them.

Ninjas: Could just be a bunch of people from a martial arts school who take their training to the "Nth" level by taking on super-powered foes. Or, dare I say it...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles...in really good disguises?

Zombies: "This...is my BOOMstick!" (Army of Darkness)
Anyway, one day you woke up with a strange yearning. A feeling that you could control something beyond the realm of this world. So you let things happen, hoping that you'd wind up with something cool as a pet, like a baby Igneous or even a mini-Godzilla. What you got was a a sack of bones and a bit of flesh that had once been a rabbit. Hmm. Well, after a bit of training and a lot of gag-reflex-suppressing, you have managed to get yourself to the point where you can call forth a human zombie. It's not what you would have preferred, certainly..but you figure that Someone Out There must want you to have this odd power, and you guess crimefighting is about the only useful thing that might come of it. Those crash test dummies have the automotive testing market cornered, after all. If someone else complains, maybe they can tell you where you can go to exchange your power for something that fits better.

Demons: You are an agent of a Higher Power. This Higher Power sends demons to you that are seeking redemption. You act to harness their powers and abilities for good purposes, hoping to help them one day return to the good graces of the Higher Power. It's a job that requires equal parts strong will, compassionate heart, and steely nerves.


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(lvl 50 12/18/07)
Hagis- Inv/War Mace tanker, Freedom
(lvl 50 12/19/08)
Brigid Huntress- Arch/Elec blaster, Freedom

And you never get hit
When your back's to the wall
Gonna fight to the end
And you're taking it all!!
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Originally Posted by ChaosAngelGeno View Post
Sir, your misinterpretations, false impressions, or downright slanderous lies are characteristic of a livingist bias. This language carries the danger of setting back zombie and their Masterminds rights for years, and perpetuating negative stereotypes of the negative-energy-aligned. I shall not allow it be so when a Mastermind and their zombies are given no guarantee of acceptance in society.

As an advocate for rights for all life-challenged at home, and believer in human rights at all stages of life and after abroad, I cannot sit idle while words, indeed trends, this dangerous grow among your "hero" society, threatening to spill over into society at large, which I can aver already has a negative enough disposition against my clientèle.

I can count on one remaining necrotic hand the instances of positive representations, good role models, and beneficial images your society has brought forth into the public sphere. Contrast this with an unending litany of images of slavering-mouthed, mindless, depraved, brain-eating savages spewing forth from the vaults of Paragon City society's propaganda centers. Even the most progressive examples of zombie representations from within Paragon's walls serve to vilify life-challenged citizens, and I shall oppose every one.

Should a zombie pay for the crimes that ended his life in the first place? Should the protections under the law cease with the drawing of your breath? Should a citizen give up all he is just because he is life-challenged? The fault cannot be held upon the life-challenged but in fault the Mastermind who uses them. Are you to say that being in life or after is incapable of redemption?

I have every faith that mankind will come to accept their zombie siblings in time. You cannot stop the movement of those who refuse to stop moving. Deceased Americans have been elected to Senate office, collected federal salaries, published popular music tracks, and served as spiritual guide to the living. Suffrage is due these long-suffering people.

I implore you to apologize publicly for your scathing words, and issue a statement that makes your positive stance on life-challenged citizens clear.

And if you do join the deceased, look me up, for I shall represent you.
And from another source, the sound-bite friendly:

Being Dead is only the Beginning!
The Silent Majority want Dead Rights!
End vitalism now!
Glad To Be Grey

and of course, "Priests! They're all the same. Always telling you that you're going to live again after you're dead, but you just try it and see the look on their faces!"


 

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Originally Posted by Drane View Post
Demons & Zombies Blue-side!?!?...When GR goes live, I'm gonna have a really hard time seeing demons & zombies running around Paragon City! Granted, I'm a nobody and I'm not saying you shouldn't be able too. I'm just saying, I'm gonna be watching you! 8)
I'm going to roll a Necromancy/Dark MM just because of this post! I'm a really good guy honest! This Lich would never hurt a fly.


H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
CoH in WQHD

 

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A tad off the original topic, but answering the thugs issue, the original bio for my toon, Ghost of A. Chance, Thugs/Poison MM:


"Chance is dead?"

"Yes, Sir. Made to appear an Arachnos termination."

"Excellent. Without their leader, those uncultured simpletons will present no further hindrance to my plans."

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"You hear? Chance is back."

"Dude... no way Ace is back. That Arachnos guy blew a hole right through him."

"No, I'm telling you, Acero Chance is back. I seen him."

"You trippin'."

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"Tell me, how is it you have not secured the territory I described?"

"It's the thugs, they're tougher than we thought. Even without Chance. They shoot straight, they take hit after hit, we take one out, and two more show up. And it's like they know what we're up to, and they get there before us, even."

"Hm. That IS odd...."

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"Alright, some of us have seen Chance. Some of us haven't. Some of you ain't, and you say you have. I don't care. You roll with us, you're brothers. It's how Chance rolled."

"We taking it to Arachnos? That's a big piece..."

"It was gonna be one bullet at a time, anyway, right?"