Demons & Zombies Blue-side!?!?
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Posted on: 2010-07-09 14:24 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Well, think of it this way. Say you started out as a villain. You had a change of heart, but already bound the demons into your service. Or as a necromancer, maybe you don't bind spirits into the bodies you summon. Or they could be willing allies.
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Originally Posted by Tramontane
I think it's less about stereotypes and more about "I'm morally good, so I'm going to trap people's souls into rotting shells/ bind evil spirits to me and force them to do my bidding against their will."
Doesn't seem terribly moral, IMO. |
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Well, possibly the demons aren't truly evil or slaves, but come on, who would willingly walk around in a shambling corpse?
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Originally Posted by Madam_Enigma
Well, think of it this way. Say you started out as a villain. You had a change of heart, but already bound the demons into your service. Or as a necromancer, maybe you don't bind spirits into the bodies you summon. Or they could be willing allies.
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Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
Necromancy can just be in the blood. What's the opposite of necropheliac? Necropheliaced?
My idea was someone the dead just rose and followed around protecting (maybe a spell of protection by a loopy voodu grandmother). He or she would be totally freaked out, mad, grossed out, exasperated at them and keep trying to light them on fire to get rid of them (necro/thermal).
I don't think I'll ever play it though, because those sets would be soooo much work together; bubbling plus healing plus buffing plus positioning melee pets :P
Since Dark has been around blue side since day one, I've never worried about this. You can suck the souls out of people's bodies, and summon a ghostly servant from the Netherworld. I don't see a big step to Necromancy or Demon Summoning.
There are plenty of heroes who are themselves dead. Maybe the Necromancer didn't reanimate the bodies of the dead, maybe they are, like him, forced to continue on in their "unlife" until they accomplish some good deed.
I have a Ninjas MM that will be going blueside. She's a detective, and her "ninjas" are actually just a neighborhood watch that owe her a favor. She uses the Ninja Master cover as a disguise for moving around the Rogue Isles. Her Oni isn't even really a demon, it's a guy in a costume.
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Depends on the alternative, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Tramontane
who would willingly walk around in a shambling corpse?
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
You might have missed them, but you already have dozens of winged demons running around shooting smoking skulls from their hands, opening portals to the netherworld and healing you with dark clouds. You might have even noticed some scrappin' some bad guys in your travels, or shrouded in flames tanking several dozen evil doers. Open your eyes and you might realize you have been fighting crime with undead and demonic heroes for ages.
In general demons don't come from hell, nor are they associated with religion or evil. Most of them come from an alternate dimension called the netherworld. In fact some of Paragons greatest heroes come from this dimension.
You might also consider what happens when The Circle of Thorns summons a demon into a hero. Is there a chance he might win out over the demon and yet still need to share the same body? What happens when the Vaz resurrect a hero, is he evil, or does he fight the urge? What happens when Portal Corp opens a portal into the Netherworld and its greatest hero steps through, is he evil just because he is a "demon"?
Anywho, all heroes are not born of butterflies and fairy-dust. Many of them are born out of hellfire and brimstone, tossing out righteous fire and flame to subdue evil in Paragon City.
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seems to work for keith richards.|
Originally Posted by Tramontane
who would willingly walk around in a shambling corpse?
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non-silly answer, extremely good heroes who want to keep fighting evil till there is none(shades of chakan, the forever man) even after their mortal time. you are the last descendant of a line of great protectors of the people, knights, cops, soldiers, even an ancient alchemist/healer from roman times (the litch, hence the robe) heroes throughout time. so you can still call the willing and heroic souls of your grandparents and great grandparents for great justice, maybe even one day joining them.Yeah they dont look like much, but they have stood for millenia against evil, and you now stand with them.
My idea for a Heroic Necromancer and a Heroic Demon Summoner:
Necromancer - The six zombies are all under a curse - they were very evil men, and sentenced to a living death until they can redeem their crimes. The MM is simply the latest person acting as their parole officer, keeping these them on the straight and narrow.
Demon Summoner - The "Demons" aren't demons, per se, but nature spirits that have been corrupted or simply been unbound from where they should be. The summoner is their medium, who's trying to help the spirits find peace.
I'm planning to use the second one... may indulge in the first, as well...
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A lot of people have spoken up for the rights of zombies, but there seems to be a notable silence on behalf of our demonic cousins. My fire/fire tanker, for example, is a demon. She used to torment the souls of the damned - there's precious little else to do in the hells. Then, one day, someone threw her a lifeline. She was summoned into Paragon City. Sure, originally she was supposed to be empowering a Hellion, but within 24 hours she was free, and a registered superhero. After 40 levels of good service, she'd like to think that a sumoner with good intentions would be just as acceptable as one of the summoned.
Ultimately, it's what you do that matters, not who you are. The biggest problem with demons in Paragon City is sorting out the visas in advance - there's no US embassy in Hell.
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I played it and, unngghh, you never ever stop buffing.
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Originally Posted by Groota
Necromancy can just be in the blood. What's the opposite of necropheliac? Necropheliaced?
My idea was someone the dead just rose and followed around protecting (maybe a spell of protection by a loopy voodu grandmother). He or she would be totally freaked out, mad, grossed out, exasperated at them and keep trying to light them on fire to get rid of them (necro/thermal). I don't think I'll ever play it though, because those sets would be soooo much work together; bubbling plus healing plus buffing plus positioning melee pets :P |
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Zombies don't have to have spirits or such, they could merely be dead bodies given a semblance of life by your character's magic. While this might go against social norms, I wouldn't say there's anything morally wrong with it. A dead body is just a lump of useless flesh. Whatever gave it life - whether a spirit, or just electrochemical impulses - has gone, so why not do some good with it?
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Originally Posted by PhroX
Zombies don't have to have spirits or such, they could merely be dead bodies given a semblance of life by your character's magic. While this might go against social norms, I wouldn't say there's anything morally wrong with it. A dead body is just a lump of useless flesh. Whatever gave it life - whether a spirit, or just electrochemical impulses - has gone, so why not do some good with it?
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Yep, my name-sake is technically a demon as well (or maybe an Imp would be a better description). In terms of hierarchy she's almost as low as one can go and her sort are typically used as snacks by any bigger or badder demons who are feeling hungry or just malevolent.Tradionally she'd be a short-lived mouthful for one of them and relies on her illusion powers to survive there.|
Originally Posted by AnElfCalledMack
A lot of people have spoken up for the rights of zombies, but there seems to be a notable silence on behalf of our demonic cousins. My fire/fire tanker, for example, is a demon. She used to torment the souls of the damned - there's precious little else to do in the hells. Then, one day, someone threw her a lifeline. She was summoned into Paragon City. Sure, originally she was supposed to be empowering a Hellion, but within 24 hours she was free, and a registered superhero. After 40 levels of good service, she'd like to think that a sumoner with good intentions would be just as acceptable as one of the summoned.
Ultimately, it's what you do that matters, not who you are. The biggest problem with demons in Paragon City is sorting out the visas in advance - there's no US embassy in Hell. |
Happily whilest in the process of becoming a short-lived mouthful she got caught up in a CoT summoning spell aimed at the Beserker which was hunting her and got dragged into the Hollows with it, managed to escape and was rescued by a patrolling hero. Paragon City is a far nicer place to be than the infernal frozen abyss so she stayed.
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Nice story |
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Yep, my name-sake is technically a demon as well (or maybe an Imp would be a better description). In terms of hierarchy she's almost as low as one can go and her sort are typically used as snacks by any bigger or badder demons who are feeling hungry or just malevolent.Tradionally she'd be a short-lived mouthful for one of them and relies on her illusion powers to survive there.
Happily whilest in the process of becoming a short-lived mouthful she got caught up in a CoT summoning spell aimed at the Beserker which was hunting her and got dragged into the Hollows with it, managed to escape and was rescued by a patrolling hero. Paragon City is a far nicer place to be than the infernal frozen abyss so she stayed. |
My only demon character is basically a rebellious teenager. Of course, when your parents are demonic fiends from hell, things like listening to rock music or getting a tattoo aren't exactly that rebellious, so to really annoy her folks, she decided to head up to Paragon and become a hero
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"I hate you, I wish I was dead. I'm going to go and become an accountant"
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Originally Posted by PhroX
Nice story
My only demon character is basically a rebellious teenager. Of course, when your parents are demonic fiends from hell, things like listening to rock music or getting a tattoo aren't exactly that rebellious, so to really annoy her folks, she decided to head up to Paragon and become a hero |
Doesn't seem terribly moral, IMO.
Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.