Important System Improvements in Going Rogue
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Posted on: 2010-06-22 09:55 in Developers' Corner
WOW.
TY devs for putting the interests of the game ahead of RP ideology.
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Was looking for news and boy did I get it cant wait for Going Rogue now - the player side of me thinks yay - less bothered by the market merging although I use the market on my lvl 50s it is not something that I spend a great deal of time on. The ability to use global email to switch stuff from heros to villains will be used quite a bit especial for Haloween Salvage.
OMG on the Roleplayer side this will definatley help with transfering items in co-op mishes and will also help with the alignment switches.
Ps the Black Market has actually turned into a money laundering factory for Villains and has hijacked Wentworths computer system.
Also hoping they do a hero/villain arc around this for the street lvl toons
.... okay. I have to ask. Is Pohsyb in a straight jacket, and is this why I can't tune into Television?
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Originally Posted by Starcloud
"Keeping the markets divided would require significant on-going development support, and we needed to take this into consideration"
Don't fool yourselves. THIS is the real reason that they're letting the markets merge. |
My markets are getting merged, bizzlenitches.
Excellent news!
/in before the The_Alt_oholic rage
@Rylas
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Me too.|
Originally Posted by PhoenixKnight_NA
i agree with setting a max limit price on the market.
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I would make SO MUCH MORE PROFIT on the real 'black market' price caps would create.
=D
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Except that the reason many are so happy about the merger is the Red market wasn't producing enough stuff that people wanted. Therefore, combining the market means more people wanting stuff, but a smaller percentage of stuff being produced.|
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Having a vastly increased number of items in a market standardizes prices, typically for the lower.
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What we will likely see is a sudden, sharp rise in prices, followed by a slow decline to a stable (well, as stable as can be expected) price that is higher than the Blue Side's current prices and lower than those currently on the Red Side.
So, basically, a little bad for the Blues a lot of happy for the Reds (meaning characters, since most players play both sides). All in all, this is likely a push for me (and most people who regularly play both sides), my Reds can get stuff they want for less, my blues are fairly well established and can buy what they need (within reason) for the most part.
The game just keeps getting better.
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I think this works in an RP sense too, given the right mindset. With some heroes and villains developing flexible morals, it would be natural to have item launderers and market coyotes. As far as Influence and Infamy go, it might only take one great heroic or villainous act for people to change their minds about a super.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
WOW.
TY devs for putting the interests of the game ahead of RP ideology. |
The great thing about RP is that, used correctly, it can be used to justify anything
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Interesting. I'll keep my eyes out for this phenomena. Full disclosure, I'm a villain, so your worst case scenario still benefits me personally. If it hurts Heroes overall, though, that'll be a shame.|
Originally Posted by Redbone
Except that the reason many are so happy about the merger is the Red market wasn't producing enough stuff that people wanted. Therefore, combining the market means more people wanting stuff, but a smaller percentage of stuff being produced.
What we will likely see is a sudden, sharp rise in prices, followed by a slow decline to a stable (well, as stable as can be expected) price that is higher than the Blue Side's current prices and lower than those currently on the Red Side. So, basically, a little bad for the Blues a lot of happy for the Reds (meaning characters, since most players play both sides). All in all, this is likely a push for me (and most people who regularly play both sides), my Reds can get stuff they want for less, my blues are fairly well established and can buy what they need (within reason) for the most part. |
Still entirely optimistic, though.
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well, absolutely- it always has.|
Originally Posted by Obsidius
I think this works in an RP sense too, given the right mindset.
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but that's always been glossed over by merger detractors.
WW getting promoted is the officially the best thing that ever happened to this game. =D
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Not to be the pessimist, but hasn't the historic stance been a firm "never in a million years"? Quick, what year is it?
No, in seriousness, this is good. This is a change that needed to be in the game from the very launch of CoV. It'll be interesting to see how the much more abundant hero coffers help the villains.
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For every buyer there's a seller. If prices do rise because of the merge, then you can make up the difference by selling your now more expensive drops.|
Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
What an absolutely craptastic idea. Gone will be the days of finding anything at a reasonable price on the WW/BM.
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However, there's no reason why prices should rise under a merge. They'll normalize between the two games, but they wont rise any more than they would anyway because of inflation.
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Does this mean that we'll also be getting a single currency (I hope, I hope, I hope)?
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*Puts in lowball bids for LotG +7.5*
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Wentworth and Black Market Bid histories will be 'wiped', and will start with a clean slate.
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Well. Take that, Posi, and your economic projections, too.
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That won't help right now....once GR goes live then yeah |
Originally Posted by PumBumbler
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Single cause fallacy says "Be careful". For all we know, War Witch was against this 100% of the way and was outvoted by her peers. For all we know, she valiantly strode into battle, a Valkyrie in the midst, hewing the heads of those that didn't want it. It may have even been somewhere in between.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
WW getting promoted is the officially the best thing that ever happened to this game. =D
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That being said, I shift uncomfortably in my seat at a compliment that so blatantly backhands Positron and, to a lesser extent, Statesman. Under both of those people, great things happened as well.
Edit: This post is awesome until some jerk with their "Facts" links me to a post where Positron was blatantly against this...
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I agree with this statement but I will tilt the scales from a "push" to "huzzah! I can finally get IO's redside"|
Originally Posted by Redbone
All in all, this is likely a push for me (and most people who regularly play both sides), my Reds can get stuff they want for less, my blues are fairly well established and can buy what they need (within reason) for the most part. |
I don't purple any of my toons out nor I invest in the super high priced IO sets. This will not change with the market merge. But shopping in the Black Market has always been an exercise in frustration. Until GR...I hope.
Thank you Devs!
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There are some corner cases the devs have to be careful about, like making sure there's no way for a hero to acquire the villain market teleporter and use it to teleport themselves across factional lines to a villain market, things like that. The devs may not want to be more specific until they've completely finalized the implementation. "Some restrictions apply" probably means "broken or exploitable stuff may need to be restricted."
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Originally Posted by MagicFlyingHippy
What restrictions apply? I'm guessing character-bound stuff like the Gamestop preorders, and maybe whatever's involved in the Incarnate system?
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Excellent! It simplifies things, should make things nicer for a few reasons...
And those who spend more time and thought on these things than me have been suggesting this would be best for a while... So, I defer to them (And now the developers as well) and cheer for another improvement to streamline the game and our fun!
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Originally Posted by Obsidius
The great thing about RP is that, used correctly, it can be used to justify anything
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There is a cap, it's 2 Billion. Because of that cap PvP IO's have gone to a real Black Market and are selling for way above that. (That 2 billion cap is a tech based cap IIRC, player characters can not hold more than that amount. Through there are ways around that)|
Originally Posted by PhoenixKnight_NA
i agree with setting a max limit price on the market. i hope its something a dev looks into. that way prices wont skyhigh.
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I am guessing that you mean an even smaller cap, or even a cap based on what the item is.
Hamidon Goo. If they set a cap of 500,00 on it and I know I can get 3million for it. What do you think will happen? The result is you will see less and less items that you want/need on the Market and still go for the prices that the players are setting.
What you want is a store.
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I guess you can change your sig now.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Me too.
I would make SO MUCH MORE PROFIT on the real 'black market' price caps would create. =D |
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Originally Posted by Redbone
Except that the reason many are so happy about the merger is the Red market wasn't producing enough stuff that people wanted. Therefore, combining the market means more people wanting stuff, but a smaller percentage of stuff being produced.
What we will likely see is a sudden, sharp rise in prices, followed by a slow decline to a stable (well, as stable as can be expected) price that is higher than the Blue Side's current prices and lower than those currently on the Red Side. So, basically, a little bad for the Blues a lot of happy for the Reds (meaning characters, since most players play both sides). All in all, this is likely a push for me (and most people who regularly play both sides), my Reds can get stuff they want for less, my blues are fairly well established and can buy what they need (within reason) for the most part. |
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Originally Posted by _ACFU_
Does this mean that we'll also be getting a single currency (I hope, I hope, I hope)?
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The problem with this argument is that it fails to take so much into account. Fewer produced goods on the BM come from a lower amount of villains being played than heroes. And one reason for that could be that the market is a deterrent. Then there's the fact that with GR's release, side-switching will be going on, and over time (probably not that long of a period either) production among Hero AT's and Villain AT's could end up leveling out. |
Originally Posted by Redbone
Except that the reason many are so happy about the merger is the Red market wasn't producing enough stuff that people wanted. Therefore, combining the market means more people wanting stuff, but a smaller percentage of stuff being produced.
What we will likely see is a sudden, sharp rise in prices, followed by a slow decline to a stable (well, as stable as can be expected) price that is higher than the Blue Side's current prices and lower than those currently on the Red Side. So, basically, a little bad for the Blues a lot of happy for the Reds (meaning characters, since most players play both sides). All in all, this is likely a push for me (and most people who regularly play both sides), my Reds can get stuff they want for less, my blues are fairly well established and can buy what they need (within reason) for the most part. |
Also, does this argument take into account recipes/enhancements/salvage produced from the player base as a whole, or does it just look at what's on WW and what's on the BM? Among all players, the productivity stays the same. The only difference now is that you don't have a divider to cloud your observations.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
"Keeping the markets divided would require significant on-going development support, and we needed to take this into consideration"
Don't fool yourselves. THIS is the real reason that they're letting the markets merge.