Paragon City is evil?


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I've been thinking... if the Rogue isles are their own nation and all the villains come from there then doesn't that make Paragon City the villains for having PPD and Longbow (official representatives and soldiers of the US government) in Rogue Isles... And not only that but they are holding the Villains in a prison which they shouldn't be doing... They should be deporting them.

So they are taking war actions with soldiers and holding prisoners of war seemingly illegally...


 

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From what I can remember, the only 'official' Longbow presence in the Rogue Isles is in Nerva, which isn't actually under the same government as the rest of them. And there are no PPD in the Isles, only the RIP, which are local.


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In addition to that, I don't think Longbow are official US soldiers. They are part of Freedom Corps which has a world-wide clientele. Ms. Liberty is basically using them as mercenaries.

I think it is far more provacative for Arachnos troops to be active in Faultline and Siren's Call and any number of petty criminal acts including assault of a US prison facility.

It's best not to think too much about such things. It's just a comic book after all.


 

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Don't forget: Arachnos is a terrorist organization that is very openly hostile to the United States. So they pretty much get what's coming to them when Longbow and Paragon heroes go beat them up.


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Originally Posted by Durakken View Post
I've been thinking... if the Rogue isles are their own nation and all the villains come from there then doesn't that make Paragon City the villains for having PPD and Longbow (official representatives and soldiers of the US government) in Rogue Isles... And not only that but they are holding the Villains in a prison which they shouldn't be doing... They should be deporting them.

So they are taking war actions with soldiers and holding prisoners of war seemingly illegally...
I've had a (genuine) issue with how "heroism" is treated within the canon of City of Heroes. I'm not faulting the writers; I'm faulting their characters.


Getting licensed as a Hero entitles you to a lot of wretched privileges. As Poshyb joked about before, being a "Hero" means you can literally eviscerate someone for loitering. We know that the Hellions aren't nice, but "IRL"*, physically attacking someone for obviously being part of a gang isn't okay. You need significantly more evidence than that.

Paragon has been suffering a code red emergency for five years now (Referring here to the premise of the game). The Heroic forces of Paragon have had the challenge of walking the fine line between "Privileges and rights granted only for extreme situations" and flat out taking advantage of the situation to abuse their power.

In other words, they're pretty much doing the exact same thing that Praetoria is doing; it's just more palatable in this context.

It's why I've always had a perverse form of respect for the villains of the Rogue Isles. To paraphrase Order of the Stick: While that might be evil, murdering, thieving, lying villains out to only profit their own hides... at least they cop to it.

Edit: While it's not a direct response to your OP, I'm sure you can see the correlation.


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Getting licensed as a Hero entitles you to a lot of wretched privileges. As Poshyb joked about before, being a "Hero" means you can literally eviscerate someone for loitering. We know that the Hellions aren't nice, but "IRL"*, physically attacking someone for obviously being part of a gang isn't okay. You need significantly more evidence than that.

*Ow, I said it, ow ow ow.
Just on this particular note, I like to roleplay, and part of that is that most of my characters will not attack loitering gangsters. However, I do need the XP, so I walk close enough that they decide it's a good idea to commit Assault With A Deadly Weapon on a registered superhero. It's all fair game then!

My more anti-hero characters though.. they are okay with hellion golf. >_>


 

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Besides having state sponsored troops (Arachnos) involved in illegal forays into Paragon City, there's all those freelance villains who have committed crimes in Paragon City who are being given sanctuary in the Rogue Isles.... unless someone knows of an extradition treaty Lord Recluse has signed?

Then there's the matter of uncontained nukes controlled by a rogue faction...

And a device designed to drain the powers of all supers, except for the one who will leverage that situation to rule the world...

So, Longbow is justified, though, not too sure about Wyvern.


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So, Longbow is justified, though, not too sure about Wyvern.
Wyvern is just Longbow run by people willing to be jerks about it.


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I've always seen Longbow as skirting the line between "Law Enforcement" and "semi-official vigilantes". Long bow seems more a Vigilante group than a hero group, to me (In GR terms).


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I've been thinking... if the Rogue isles are their own nation
Are they really? I'm not sure about this. Just slapping your flag down in some unclaimed land doesn't make it an independent nation. It has to be recognized by other nations. Are the Rogue Isles officially recognized?


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Wyvern are a separate faction that do not claim any ties to any significant groups in Paragon.(Yes they were founded by Manticore, but they are in no way official)

Freedom Corps are a local organization for Paragon.Since Longbow is a division of Freedom Corps they;re presence in the Rogues Isles is largely illegal except for Nerva.

Which is why that one arc Red side where it ends with an attempt to capture Crimson is so important. Longbow knows there presence is illegal and if Arachnos had the slightest proof of illegal incursions there would be hell to pay.

As for Arachnos in Faultline, if I remember right Archnos only spawns past the dam which may be considered outside territory similar to Nerva, and in the underground tunnels which would constitute covert ops(like Longbow in GV)

I also believe Sirens is a contested territory.
Bloody Bay is outside US as is Warburg.

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For Ironblade above

The UN recognizes the Isles as a sovereign nation ruled by Recluse.

This is why Longbow crosses a line that leads to the brink of open war.


 

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Are they really? I'm not sure about this. Just slapping your flag down in some unclaimed land doesn't make it an independent nation. It has to be recognized by other nations. Are the Rogue Isles officially recognized?
Yes. They have their own seat on the United Nations and are technically acknowledged by all other nations.


 

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Don't forget: Arachnos is a terrorist organization that is very openly hostile to the United States.
You can't prove it! Neener neener neener!


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At least you can't prove it in a court of law with any shred of evidence or witness that we can't destroy, terrorize, or kill

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Actually Arachnos isn't hostile towards the US. They're hostile to Marcus Cole,the Freedom Phalanx and Longbow.


 

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Actually Arachnos isn't hostile towards the US. They're hostile to Marcus Cole,the Freedom Phalanx and Longbow.
Recluse needs to get over himself - he really does


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You can't prove it! Neener neener neener!
Well, that's why we carry out "investigations"


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Recluse needs to get over himself - he really does
While that may be true, Ms.Liberty needs to learn she has no business outside of Paragon.


 

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While that may be true, Ms.Liberty needs to learn she has no business outside of Paragon.
Justice has no borders


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Justice has no borders
You terrify me in these conversations. You are Miko from the comic I linked earlier.


 

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Justice has no borders
Same rule applies to Longbow.


 

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Same rule applies to Longbow.
Longbow are justice - but they do get a bit carried away from time to time


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Longbow are justice - but they do get a bit carried away from time to time
Except that they're not.


 

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Using that rationale the same can be said of the Widows in Arachnos.