Tried of being Neg Rep and Feel like Hating the forums, what the Point in Rep?

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The developers never said "never" on these things. Plenty of players did, however. Whether out of spite, out of ignorance or out of wishful thinking, I don't know, but many did indeed say that. They were proven wrong, obviously, but that doesn't change the fact that this was said.

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I don't think many posts still exist that are five and six years old with all the purges, forum changes database problems, and even if they did, that's posts numbering in the millions. Going through millions of posts five years old to find an offhand comment by a person who hasn't posted since 2007 isn't really something you can reasonably ask people to do.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

as usual i show up after the nerf

I got a lot of Rep both was for this, including enough red to drop a bar.

My favorite was when I posted that people that post rep anonymously make me temporarily paranoid. Someone gave me red rep and signed it "MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA". Had to respect that.

The closest thing I can think of to it is the comment on Empathy not being "villainous," (thus the development of Pain Domination) and, I believe, Energy Melee not being given to Scrappers. (Edit: And Poison, I think. There are a very few sets that are not getting ported or are questionable or problematic.) Other than that, we've also been given a general goal of "All sets to all appropriate ATs" from the devs.

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I think players need to be more careful when responding to requests like this because their responses often are much stronger than the reality of the situation suggests. But conversely, this is also equally mischaracterized by the people making the requests as well.

For example, no dev ever said power customization was impossible. The *closest* any dev came to this was BaB, who said that the amount of work involved was so high, it would probably be better to implement it in a future game engine rather than attempt to retrofit it into this one.

A few *players* then starting saying "the devs" said it was impossible, and I personally tried to post in as many of those threads as I stumbled across that no, the devs didn't say that.

Conversely, no one said power proliferation was impossible either. The closest was Castle who said, a long time ago, that given a choice he wouldn't arbitrarily proliferate powersets between archetypes in general. But of course, it wasn't entirely his choice. However, there was no mass numbers of players jumping in to say powerset proliferation was impossible or even unlikely. Most were simply asking for it. Some (including me) were advocating against it, or at least against some aspects of it. But that sort of opposition to an idea is entirely fair. I like it, you don't, so you say so. A lot of people now seem to characterize powerset proliferation as an example of "The Man" trying to keep them down, when that's not an accurate portrayal of reality at that time.


Here's my own view. Whether the devs have said X is impossible, difficult, or unlikely, there's no harm at all in a new player saying "I wish we had X." At worst, they should be gently pointed to prior discussions about X to familiarize themselves with the history of X on the forums.

However, new or not, when a player starts expousing how they know how easy X would be to implement, or demanding to know why the devs can't figure out how to implement X in a reasonable amount of time, they voluntarily surrrender the right to be treated with kid gloves. And this is the sort of common sense everyone is supposed to have when jumping onto the internet.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: every guess about how the game works or how development of the game works has been wrong. Every single time, from 2004 to now. Every single post that has started off with a resume, proceeded with some guesswork about how to add something to the game, and ended with an analysis of how difficult that would be, has been not just wrong, but wildly wrong, unless it has been based entirely on publicly released information about the game system.

So: ask for whatever you want to ask for. People may jump on you for that, but they shouldn't. If you really think you're being pounded on by know-it-alls just for expressing a preference, PM me a link to the thread and I'll jump right in if I can. But if I find out the reason why they are jumping on you is not because you're just expressing a preference or a suggestion but because you're arguing about technical details and you're wrong, I'll probably jump in on *their* side.

I never seen such a claim before and wanted to know who had made it. Now it seems P.P. discussions may have been before my time...

Could you bring some pie?

Thus unless you notify a moderator directly the poster gets away with it.

It cannot be turned off - only the display can be turned off - thus is is non-consensual: If you want to post on the boards, you have to have it. (I checked but I couldn't see anywhere in the FAQ or Forum Rules that it is made clear that you can be neg repped without realising it.)

The argument that "it allows me to comment on the thread without detracting from the conversation" is specious because invariably those who do rep, positive or negative contribute to the thread anyhow, and it is not a comment on the thread itself - it comments the poster of the thread, board wide.

With older "Star" systems, the thread itself could be graded - but this system permits (undoubtedly a very small number of) sad individuals to form what is effectively a vendetta against people who post simply because they are "not one of us" or many other reasons.

Sure, forum wars happen all the time but it's curious that this topic is frequent, yet there is no official word from Paragon Studios on their double standards of operation.

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Interestingly enough the star system still exists although it doesn't seem to get much use anymore.

Different stars. The old software had stars for posters, similar to the Jolly Ranchers we have now, as well as stars for threads.

The same thing is true for PMs. For that matter, the same thing is mostly true for public threads as well. The odds of a mod stumbling across a forum violation without it being reported are not high.

Whether you think the rep system is a good idea or not, its a bit over the top to try to claim that the system literally violates the forum rules. Nowhere in the forum rules does it say you can't send anonymous messages to other posters, and they are only anonymous to you, not to the forum mods if you report them. They are just as accountable for what they say in reputation flags as they are in PMs or public posts.

There is no actual double standard. And exaggerations are only interesting for humorous ends, they never really help a situation even in terms of getting attention to them, because it tends to be the wrong attention.

This.

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Careful, last time I got neg repped was because the part I quoted was too long... go figure.

Ok well the general useage tends to violate - because it engenders unmoderated behaviour, in my experience at least. How's that? Neg rep requires a comment, where as posi-rep doesn't - and because the system is largely anonymous, comments tend to be highly spiteful. I'd be quite surprised if the mods even know (or care) who posted the comment saying "you're a complete ****!" given the the forum software. Thus there is no form of censure.

With a PM you know who sent the message and in a public forum it's obvious.

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Thelonious Monk

I thought that was WoW trials?

Yeah - as far as I know, the only thing the devs have said "never" to are running on walls, because it simply can't be done with this engine, and clown summoning
Everything else that some players claim the devs have said "never" to have actually just been things they said were either not possible at the time - usually pre-NCSoft buy-out - or involve too much work to be practical.

I think other good examples of the personal opinion of devs being taken as company policy and signs of the future direction of the game would be Sexy Jay's apparent dislike of furries, and Castle saying he'd prefer not to have an underwater zone.

That's BaB. Castle I think isn't crazy about a moon zone. Of course, just like Castle can't speak authoritatively about animations and BaB can't speak authoritatively about the powers system, neither has the final say on what zones we get. That's doubly in the realm of War Witch's territory (both in terms of having more zone author expertise, and in being their absolute ruler and all).

I'm sure it was Castle who said it too...

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looking at democode... if it's anything like what the server is sent then I can say it is extremely easy to do in the sense that they can make someone run on a wall... what's hard is making it look good...

looking good and doing it right is often thee reason we are given for things not being done.