Tried of being Neg Rep and Feel like Hating the forums, what the Point in Rep?
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Posted on: 2010-05-26 19:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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But that was all linked to the topic of Mother Mayhem's new look chest - I didn't just open a random thread and post pictures of more realistic comic book depictions of how spandex really works - it was a one-off, on-topic post to back up my request for our avatars to have more realistic looking chests |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Well, yeah. Well that and you think the chest slider pushes breasts too far apart. Also, those pictures of spandex-clad heroines. And also that you can't use small breasts on your characters because then they wouldn't match your own real life chest.
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What is that muppety guy from? The Great Space Coaster or something?
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Actually, I've gotten the slam-dunk inexplicable one a couple of times (that I know of).|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
But I don't lend much credence to peope whose idea of criticism is "u suk."
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The amount of reputation points you can deliver in positive or negative rep is partially based on the amount of rep you have, I believe. Furthermore, although I'm not actually sure myself, I think if you turn off your own rep your reputation flags carry no score. So when you are flagged for rep, the flag is red if its a negative rep, green if it is a positive rep, and grey if the person flagging you has their own rep turned off.
Sometimes people leave very elaborate messages. Sometimes they just leave short ones. "Nice!" or "you suck" or one probably unique to me "not a dev." Sometimes they don't leave any comment and I just get a positive or negative rep with no message, just N/A.
The truly Zen rep that I've gotten two or three times is when they leave no message, and they have rep turned off. So what I get is a reputation flag with N/A and no value. Its not positive or negative, and it has no message.
I always wonder if the person intended to flag me positive or negative and they just didn't know their reputation flags have no value, or if they knew that and flagged me anyway as either positive or negative with no message *knowing* that I would have no way of knowing if it was a positive or negative flag. That's deep.
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@Arcanaville: In my experience, it doesn't let you give negative rep without a comment. It gives you a pop-up telling you that negative rep must have a comment. Of course, I suppose one could physically type in "N/A" as the comment were one so inclined, making this whole point moot.
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Of course that goes without saying: if you started opening random threads comparing your chest to comic book heroines and posting spandex pictures, your rep would overflow the forum counters.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But that was all linked to the topic of Mother Mayhem's new look chest - I didn't just open a random thread and post pictures of more realistic comic book depictions of how spandex really works - it was a one-off, on-topic post to back up my request for our avatars to have more realistic looking chests
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If you have a grey jelly bean next to the rep text, that means the repper does not have enough "rep weight" (positive or negative) to move your rep. For example, I have my rep turned off and I'll give you rep for you for the post I'm replying to, to peruse.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Actually, I've gotten the slam-dunk inexplicable one a couple of times (that I know of).
The amount of reputation points you can deliver in positive or negative rep is partially based on the amount of rep you have, I believe. Furthermore, although I'm not actually sure myself, I think if you turn off your own rep your reputation flags carry no score. So when you are flagged for rep, the flag is red if its a negative rep, green if it is a positive rep, and grey if the person flagging you has their own rep turned off. Sometimes people leave very elaborate messages. Sometimes they just leave short ones. "Nice!" or "you suck" or one probably unique to me "not a dev." Sometimes they don't leave any comment and I just get a positive or negative rep with no message, just N/A. The truly Zen rep that I've gotten two or three times is when they leave no message, and they have rep turned off. So what I get is a reputation flag with N/A and no value. Its not positive or negative, and it has no message. I always wonder if the person intended to flag me positive or negative and they just didn't know their reputation flags have no value, or if they knew that and flagged me anyway as either positive or negative with no message *knowing* that I would have no way of knowing if it was a positive or negative flag. That's deep. |
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I'm fairly sure you got the system right. I have my rep turned off, largely because when I had it turned on, it made me gun shy in saying what I wanted to say. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Actually, I've gotten the slam-dunk inexplicable one a couple of times (that I know of).
The amount of reputation points you can deliver in positive or negative rep is partially based on the amount of rep you have, I believe. Furthermore, although I'm not actually sure myself, I think if you turn off your own rep your reputation flags carry no score. So when you are flagged for rep, the flag is red if its a negative rep, green if it is a positive rep, and grey if the person flagging you has their own rep turned off. Sometimes people leave very elaborate messages. Sometimes they just leave short ones. "Nice!" or "you suck" or one probably unique to me "not a dev." Sometimes they don't leave any comment and I just get a positive or negative rep with no message, just N/A. The truly Zen rep that I've gotten two or three times is when they leave no message, and they have rep turned off. So what I get is a reputation flag with N/A and no value. Its not positive or negative, and it has no message. I always wonder if the person intended to flag me positive or negative and they just didn't know their reputation flags have no value, or if they knew that and flagged me anyway as either positive or negative with no message *knowing* that I would have no way of knowing if it was a positive or negative flag. That's deep. |
I have noticed however that when I've been positively repped by a someone else with a large reputation score, my rep went up substantially. I never was able to account for the gray flags as those belonging to people who had rep turned off until now. That makes sense.
I actually don't like the rep system because of how much it can be gamed, but it's not passionate dislike and I don't mind if other people care about it.
What I would have loved to have seen is a karma system much like what you see in aggregator sites like Reddit, where the posts/replies with the largest amount of positive karma goes up to the top. In a situation like that things like reputation (karma) might have more relevance.
Green jelly beans in your rep comments came from people with enough "rep weight" to move your reputation positively.
Red jelly beans came from people with enough "rep weight" to move your reputation negatively.
The longer you have been signed up to the forums, the more posts you have made, then the more "rep weight" you have. Positive rep adds to your "rep weight" as well. Having a high amount of rep in addition to a long duration forum account (even if your account lapsed; vBulletin only cares about reg date) and a high post count means you can move mountains with one jelly bean.
Grey jelly beans are people who don't have enough "rep weight" to do anything (zero reputation points).
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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So, Arcana can hurt your rep more than GG?
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Green jelly beans in your rep comments came from people with enough "rep weight" to move your reputation positively.
Red jelly beans came from people with enough "rep weight" to move your reputation negatively. The longer you have been signed up to the forums, the more posts you have made, then the more "rep weight" you have. Positive rep adds to your "rep weight" as well. Having a high amount of rep in addition to a long duration forum account (even if your account lapsed; vBulletin only cares about reg date) and a high post count means you can move mountains with one jelly bean. Grey jelly beans are people who don't have enough "rep weight" to do anything (zero reputation points). |
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No, GG has higher rep power than Arcana does. She has over twice as many posts, and she has a higher reputation amount. She has two years fewer registration, but the postcount plus reputation amount really skews it.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
So, Arcana can hurt your rep more than GG?
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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you shouldn't feel uncomfortable with just being yourself ,especially on a video game forum that everyone pays too and has a privilege to post on and be apart of.|
Originally Posted by GreenFIame
Well these Days i am getting kind of Scared to even post anything on forums or write on it.
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to be honest, i am not sure why such a thing even exists, it a feature that puzzles me along with the post count number and join date.
i would just disable it,at least that's what all the cool kids do .
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So GG has all the power :O
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
No, GG has higher rep power than Arcana does. She has over twice as many posts, and she has a higher reputation amount. She has two years fewer registration, but the postcount plus reputation amount really skews it.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
anonymous barbs
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"Rep was meant to be a forum game."
Translate: "Anonymously criticizing people because you disagree with them was meant to be a forum game."
That is so wrong on so many levels. My respect for the Mods dropped a lot when they left the rep system on precisely because it was so divisive and exploitative and encouraged mean-spiritedness and rewarded ignorance.
As far as the 'game' aspect goes, it's so easily rigged with 'raise the rep' threads that it doesn't even fit the definition of a 'game.'
To not see that and still defend it is... indefensible. They still won't gain my full respect until it's completely gone.
I don't need to anonymously neener them (or anyone else) to get my point across -- I made it quite clear.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
"Rep was meant to be a forum game."
Translate: "Anonymously criticizing people because you disagree with them was meant to be a forum game." That is so wrong on so many levels. My respect for the Mods dropped a lot when they left the rep system on precisely because it was so divisive and exploitative and encouraged mean-spiritedness and rewarded ignorance. As far as the 'game' aspect goes, it's so easily rigged with 'raise the rep' threads that it doesn't even fit the definition of a 'game.' To not see that and still defend it is... indefensible. They still won't gain my full respect until it's completely gone. I don't need to anonymously neener them (or anyone else) to get my point across -- I made it quite clear. |
I completely agree with you. The way this board is set up, new people come in a make a comment on something they feel strongly about, and get bombarded with mean comments. Why is it that when someone posts an idea people have to come back rudely and make comments as if they were the devs themselves? Is it so hard to say, I understand why you think this is a good idea, but I do not agree? Do they really have to be rude, and then turn the conversation to grammar? New people get scared away from these boards, and a lot of them are veteren players, that actually have a little knowledge to share. Besides isn't this board here to improve the game? If we scare everyone away how are we going to do that?
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The internet is a buffer of relative anonymity. Internet forums are largely made up of disagreements and associated criticisms. Adding a gaming aspect to it isn't so much indefensible as it is inevitable.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
"Rep was meant to be a forum game."
Translate: "Anonymously criticizing people because you disagree with them was meant to be a forum game." |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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was debating giving you a negative rep for this as a joke, but figured it might actually cause green light damage and would have felt bad about that. |
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Forum Rep was intended to be a forum-wide game. I tend to take it seriously but I am, admittedly, an anomaly. If you find it affects you, I would keep it switched off. It's not intended to be taken sincerely either way.
As a tip, in serious discussions, you will get neg-repped for disagreeing with people. Don't post in serious debates unless you're willing to pay the rep. |
to green, don't take it too hard, i have tried to pop your rep up a few times, but one thing jumps out. please don't do blocks of text like you did in the first post here. People red rep for neatness(guess how i know that) so that may be an issue, give your posts a once over after finishing them and that may help a little, some of your posts are kind of sloppy, and some will red you for that. Beyond that, this is the internet, and even better communities attract some people who exist to be nasty, roll it off man, they are not worth the time it takes to consider.
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You don't frequent other game boards, do you? Posting on the City forums are like being treated with kid gloves. Even our worst trolls are still better people than most other game boards.
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Originally Posted by Pimpstress_Bambi
I completely agree with you. The way this board is set up, new people come in a make a comment on something they feel strongly about, and get bombarded with mean comments. Why is it that when someone posts an idea people have to come back rudely and make comments as if they were the devs themselves? Is it so hard to say, I understand why you think this is a good idea, but I do not agree? Do they really have to be rude, and then turn the conversation to grammar? New people get scared away from these boards, and a lot of them are veteren players, that actually have a little knowledge to share. Besides isn't this board here to improve the game? If we scare everyone away how are we going to do that?
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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i know exactily how you feel. a few weeks ago i gave some advise to someone. and i was dogpiled and own reped for it. i tried to keep telling them all i wanted to do was help. and i was told to pretty much shut-up and sitdown. and that i have know idea what i was talking about. then i suggested a fun build and again i was told simpily "no no no." again i saw nothing i wrote wrong as other people. only 1 person that was in the conversation saw that i was only tryinh to help. i know i didnt make matters better. but i was not trying say what i was is right. im not like that.|
Originally Posted by GreenFIame
I try to Post Good stuff and fun things, but latey i am being Neg Rep and i don't really no why.
I may have gave out some bad invoice or two, but i am trying my best to help people out. I also always wanted to be friendly and well like. I never name called or Started a fight and curse people off on the freaking Forum, So why am i being Neg Rep then, because someone don't like what I am saying, so they Neg Rep me or are they just doing it for fun. I mean i had like two green Bars under my Avatar and lost that in one week it went to red. I try to help someone out and told them what I thought they should do and boom they didn't like what i said and Neg Rep me and couple other people on the Post did the same thing. I lost all by Good Rep, now kind of feeling like no one want me around these day on the Forums. Why do i want good Rep, well i wanted to be like and trying hard to get Some freaking good rep, but some jerks comes along and Neg Rep me and boom it's goes alway. I been trying to get my rep lvl back up to what it use to be but people keep Attacking me with bad rep. I mean What the deal with rep, i mean why is it bugging me that i am getting Neg Rep, I think Sometime it's pointless to post anything, if someone don't like what you say, you get Neg Rep. I think Neg Reping someone should only be use if someone is being rude, a jerk and just mean, that how i feel right now. Well these Days i am getting kind of Scared to even post anything on forums or write on it. I kind wish there wasn't a rep System on the forum, I mean you don't Unlockable Items or Money or anything for having the most rep, So can Someone tell me why we have it then, what the reason for having it. If you get red rep does that make you the Forum Villain the Enemy of All on the Forum, I just might give up on Getting Good Rep and turn off rep again, Because you no what this rep System they have up is a joke, What do you folks think of it. |
what ive learned from that is to never ever give any kind of advise to anybody on any boards, i go to.
on the sto and co boards they dont have this kind of rep thing. why because it can and does go to griefing. everyone should be on even level even keel. everyone should be treated equally. not because of some poorily desined rep system or post count.
i do give advise still in game, but only ingame.
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I demand this is made into an emoticon for these boards!
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Of course that goes without saying: if you started opening random threads comparing your chest to comic book heroines and posting spandex pictures, your rep would overflow the forum counters.
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Did anyone else hit the OP with a negative after reading that monotonous whine?
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No. But because of your post I decided I had to give everyone (untill it said to much given out) some plus rep.
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Did anyone else hit the OP with a negative after reading that monotonous whine?
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i kinda looked at the for awhile perplexed and i couldn't figure out what wasn't quite right with that statement.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
You don't frequent other game boards, do you? Posting on the City forums are like being treated with kid gloves. Even our worst trolls are still better people than most other game boards.
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then it came to me.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
You don't frequent other game boards, do you? Posting on the City forums are like being treated with tunnel vision. Even our worst trolls are still better people than most other game boards.
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come to find out it was pwnz at the time i didn't know what pwnz was because i was new too posting on the forums ,but i was a really put off by the experience to the point i didn't want nothing to do with the forums after that i had managed to get in the "threads to watch" which the whole point was too mess with people.
nothing really was done to them until boards where changed and they got stuck in forums games.
but anyway my point is and the reason i brought up "tunnel vision" is that's what these threads suffer from you have the same exact people posting in basically the same exact threads over and over again ...and nothing changes its like this "i'm a vet" "i don't agree" "jake emmert" "gone to the americans" "fruit salad" "first after red name" "dooooomm"
it's even going on in this thread.
"oh someone's monotone complaining QQ doom"
stuff like drives people off that adversely also pay the server bills and the dev's salary and also factors in any potential new players .
in away i think that's why the game has gotten stale because the devs have been listening to the tunnel vision crowd and not to the overall majority hopefully things will turn around i know i already canceled my sub "sorry animated cat tails " just isn't my thing .
but like usual if they come out with the next issue, i'll give coh another spin .
but i don't expect much in the way of change,just tunnel vision.
What is that muppety guy from? The Great Space Coaster or something?
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound