Tried of being Neg Rep and Feel like Hating the forums, what the Point in Rep?
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Posted on: 2010-05-26 19:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Decorum
This is me having too much to drink:
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Originally Posted by TonyV
See? I knew as soon as I mentioned something about farming above, this one would likely get dinged, too. Someone even posted a comment saying something about, "for agreeing with The_Alt_oholic." So there you go, an excellent lesson in Reputation 101: Just How Trivial It Really Is.
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And yet you still cared enough to post a comment about it.
lolREP.
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Yeah, but the rep was European, so it was okay.
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Originally Posted by enrious2
That's flat un-American.
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Hey, it's a valid medical problem for seniors, so it's nothing to be ashamed of. Plus, I hear theres some great medication for it nowadays.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And not realizing you've got hot-linking problems?
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Thanks FP
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You have to go thru all of your posts individually and click on the rep icon to see if anyone left you a comment.
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No, no, I care enough about not caring enough. That's different.
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Originally Posted by Westley
And yet you still cared enough to post a comment about it.
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Nah, sometimes they just post what people are too scared to say. In only a few cases do I actually see people who I think deserve it (I'm not one of them) - the ones who are friendly, helpful, upbeat, and in all ways do this community credit.|
Originally Posted by TonyV
Rep is a game, and a pretty stupid one at that. I see people with their bars full of rep who I've never heard of before, and I immediately think, "Must've posted in one of those idiotic 'Gimme rep!' threads."
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| Mine probably is pretty much accurate. I've tried to be helpful in posting answers in Player Questions threads, and it goes up. I post news about the Paragon Wiki or Titan Network, and it goes up. |
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| I'm a huge anti-farming person, and whenever I post anything about people exploiting the game, it gets dinged. Of course, I personally view any negative rep from a farmer as positive rep, so there have been quite a few threads when I lost a green jellybean or two and thought, "Well, that must have pissed them off, so I did a great job on that one!" It's not out of malice, I'm not that mean. It's because if I get dinged for standing up for the long-term health and playability of the game against those who are only interested in short-term rewards, I'm actually pretty damn proud of that. It's the "good" kind of negative rep. |
Of course, if you were to lump them all together, like other posters, then I'd feel justified in pointing out the inherent ignorance of such a stance.
That said, even if someone disagrees with me on a subject like that, so long as they don't come across as foaming at the mouth, I'm very happy to figure we'll never change each other's opinions of say farming, but that we both pay money to play the game, then again, no worries from me.
It's when ignorant positions/arguments are used to force everyone to play to one person's playstyle that I have a problem with that poster.
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| I've thought about turning my rep off before just so that they don't have the satisfaction of thinking they're making me mad or sad or whatever, but then I think, nah, to hell with 'em. I want them to know how much their reputation mods mean to me (-->||<--). To be honest, I kind of even want to flaunt in their faces the fact that even though they can post their whiny little comments, even though they may even take a jellybean away from me, my reputation is still green. |
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| The most important thing to keep in perspective to me isn't just what the absolute rep value is, but what you expect versus what happens. When I post an anti-farming comment, I know it's going to get negative-repped with "u suk" comments, but I've also gotten some really good positive-rep comments that inevitably prove to me that there are good players out there who "get it." |
Of course, I could say that when I post anti-anti-farming posts, I get positive rep comments that inevitably prove to me that there are good players out there who "get it".
That only goes to show that rep is an idiotic idea to have and is counter to a strong and healthy community.
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| Plus, when I see how nasty people are and how badly the devs are treated for decisions that are great ones for the future of the game just because some people want an "I win!" button and the devs won't give one to them (or in some cases, take one away that they inadvertently gave to them before), I can't feel too badly about a stupid jellybean or two. |
Vox Populi.
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I've been thinking this same thing. People who resort to such a thing really shouldn't feel like they can get away with it. It's not healthy for the community overall. Unfortunately... I get the feeling it won't be healthy for our moderators either, haha. Still... It just seems wrong to let people toss anonymous insults at will without any repercussions. Reporting even the stupidest (Yet, obviously personal attack) ones seems the right thing to do.|
Originally Posted by enrious2
I'd sincerely ask that you report people who say "u suk" in rep comments. If people who get those, then they may feel encouraged to do so and the next person may not be someone with your outlook on it.
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Originally Posted by enrious2
That only goes to show that rep is an idiotic idea to have and is counter to a strong and healthy community.
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Both positive and negative comments on public display would be healthier for the community.
I really don't get the rep comment business, hehe, but ah well, I've already said that.
Oh... and I really don't get the hostility shown towards Alti.
Clearly there is some history between you two.
Frankly, I found the reply to Alti uncalled for and not really making the points I think you were trying to make.
I don't know who has done wrong to whom in the past, but it seems like that history poisoned the exchange there.
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Note: I only advocate reporting negative rep comments in violation of forum rules and guidelines, not reporting every single negative rep comment wholesale.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I've been thinking this same thing. People who resort to such a thing really shouldn't feel like they can get away with it. It's not healthy for the community overall. Unfortunately... I get the feeling it won't be healthy for our moderators either, haha. Still... It just seems wrong to let people toss anonymous insults at will without any repercussions. Reporting even the stupidest (Yet, obviously personal attack) ones seems the right thing to do.
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As for it being work for the mods - they put the system in place, I have zero sympathy for them receiving alerts about legitimate violations of forum rules and policies that occur in rep.
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Both positive and negative comments on public display would be healthier for the community. I really don't get the rep comment business, hehe, but ah well, I've already said that.
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Oh... and I really don't get the hostility shown towards Alti. Clearly there is some history between you two. Frankly, I found the reply to Alti uncalled for and not really making the points I think you were trying to make. I don't know who has done wrong to whom in the past, but it seems like that history poisoned the exchange there. |
Let me tell you how asinine a position that is - let's say I lobbied to be the arbiter - there'd be no more badging or RP in this game.
And people would call me on it and they'd be right to do so. Now cue up years and years of me saying the exact same thing in the exact same way.
Also, imagine that I never demonstrated a fundamental grasp of the issues and continued to speak from ignorance.
So that's why he gets the flak he gets. Justifiably, IMO.
I could show that I got way more positive rep for that post than I did negative rep, but where would that leave us?
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Actually, if you find a rep comment that should be reported, click the 'Report' button on your own post, and mention the comment in the report.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Speaking of rep and all...
How should a person go about reporting abusive/offensive/inappropriate rep comments to a moderator? |
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Originally Posted by enrious2
Note: I only advocate reporting negative rep comments in violation of forum rules and guidelines, not reporting every single negative rep comment wholesale.
As for it being work for the mods - they put the system in place, I have zero sympathy for them receiving alerts about legitimate violations of forum rules and policies that occur in rep. |
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Well that's even sillier. Frivolous reporting of threads and posts is against the rules, isn't it? So why isn't frivolous reporting of negative rep? Even if there isn't a specific rule, I believe the mods certainly would take action against someone reporting everything. I'm aware that there's some shaky ground to be found within, but this isn't a democracy, mod word is law. I'm gonna take a guess and postulate that the mods have their guidelines already set. Frankly I expect people to know the difference between, say, "Condescending and knocking over those strawmen as usual, I see" and "Dreams of your horrible and painful death linger pleasantly in my mind", and if they don't it's high time they learn. Heck, even idiocy such as "lol u suk" isn't worth reporting.|
Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
Because people were reporting and PM'ing every -rep comment, is why the Mods turned off peoples ability to see them in the UCP. The by-product of that was that it made their job easier.
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Such a dumb system. It's one of those "fine idea in theory" things. In practice people are either too thin-skinned (Wah, someobody said something negative to me), or WAY too thick-skinned (It's all a big joke so I'm gonna ride it into the ground).
I'm pretty sure they removed UCP viewing of comments because it was broken. You couldn't keep the comments collapsed (so they would open up every time you visited UCP), and because of this, people saw all the awful things people had to say, anonymously, about them, regardless if it was true or not. [edit: And I'm not saying this because I saw other people comment about it. It happened to me personally, every time I visited my UCP to check out my favorite threads/forums, I saw the comment list and had to re-collapse it.]
Turn off the UCP listing and you've solved about 80% of the problem of rep in the first place. The other 20% could be solved by turning off the rep plugin.
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Well that's even sillier. Frivolous reporting of threads and posts is against the rules, isn't it? So why isn't frivolous reporting of negative rep? Even if there isn't a specific rule, I believe the mods certainly would take action against someone reporting everything. I'm aware that there's some shaky ground to be found within, but this isn't a democracy, mod word is law. I'm gonna take a guess and postulate that the mods have their guidelines already set. Frankly I expect people to know the difference between, say, "Condescending and knocking over those strawmen as usual, I see" and "Dreams of your horrible and painful death linger pleasantly in my mind", and if they don't it's high time they learn. Heck, even idiocy such as "lol u suk" isn't worth reporting.
Such a dumb system. It's one of those "fine idea in theory" things. In practice people are either too thin-skinned (Wah, someobody said something negative to me), or WAY too thick-skinned (It's all a big joke so I'm gonna ride it into the ground). |
Pretty much how I see it, Primal.
Agge, I agree that the rep comments not closing down and staying closed in the UCP was broken, though it doesn't make my comment any less true.
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Originally Posted by Primal
Well that's even sillier. Frivolous reporting of threads and posts is against the rules, isn't it? So why isn't frivolous reporting of negative rep? Even if there isn't a specific rule, I believe the mods certainly would take action against someone reporting everything.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Speaking of rep and all...
How should a person go about reporting abusive/offensive/inappropriate rep comments to a moderator? The system really is stupid. Unless, it is just a trap for trolls and jerks. They send anonymous rude/offensive/rule-breaking comments, thinking they can get away with it... and, whamo, they get sent to Siberia!! Maybe? I just find it odd. Reply to people on the boards. Have some taste and respect and... Oh, never mind. I expect too much from humanity... never mind people hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. I call it like I see it. Never shy from saying what I want. I do it with respect. Often times with an attempt at humor. To my surprise, the rep thing has been steady and positive. Still... You make some posts in certain topics and you get hit with some BS comments. I found it funny though... Two negative comments (simple and rude ones, at that) and they only knocked 4 points off of my total, hehehe. Hey, idgits... You need bigger friends. |
Haha... (yes, quoting myself) Who sent me Neg Rep with the comment "lol" to this? Haha... You should have at least signed it!
EDIT: Oh! And Off to Siberia with you!!!
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Don't take it too badly, I'm constantly amused that people too cowardly to sign their neg rep have the arrogance to think I care about their opinions, like the following:
"As justifiable as it is to neg rep you."
Hello, anonymous keyboard warr...wait, you're not even a keyboard warrior if you're anonymous.
I think you actually have to work at being that much of a coward, considering most or all of us here use pseudonyms but someone's too afraid to even use that.
In any even, that's for the laugh - your anonymous tears tell me I'm on the right course and reminded me to neg rep Alt.
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Originally Posted by enrious2
Don't take it too badly, I'm constantly amused that people too cowardly to sign their neg rep have the arrogance to think I care about their opinions, like the following:
"As justifiable as it is to neg rep you." Hello, anonymous keyboard warr...wait, you're not even a keyboard warrior if you're anonymous. I think you actually have to work at being that much of a coward, considering most or all of us here use pseudonyms but someone's too afraid to even use that. In any even, that's for the laugh - your anonymous tears tell me I'm on the right course and reminded me to neg rep Alt. |
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Originally Posted by enrious2
Don't take it too badly, I'm constantly amused that people too cowardly to sign their neg rep have the arrogance to think I care about their opinions, like the following:
"As justifiable as it is to neg rep you." Hello, anonymous keyboard warr...wait, you're not even a keyboard warrior if you're anonymous. I think you actually have to work at being that much of a coward, considering most or all of us here use pseudonyms but someone's too afraid to even use that. In any even, that's for the laugh - your anonymous tears tell me I'm on the right course and reminded me to neg rep Alt. |
Did he just insult our armed forces on Memorial day by implying that a "warrior" who strikes from stealth and anonymity is a coward?
please can everyone neg rep me kthxbaibars0r
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Enri was in the armed forces (Marines) so try again. Opps guess you just insulted a Vet on Memorial day.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Did he just insult our armed forces on Memorial day by implying that a "warrior" who strikes from stealth and anonymity is a coward?
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Btw Happy Memorial day and thanks Enri and to all our armed forces and vets
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damn did you just double N/A me with rep?
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Originally Posted by Phillygirl
Enri was in the armed forces (Marines) so try again. Opps guess you just insulted a Vet on Memorial day.
Btw Happy Memorial day and thanks Enri and to all our armed forces and vets |
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No i rarely give neg rep and it would have been signed. If you really want it i will neg rep you just wasn't sure you where serious.
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Originally Posted by Psycho Jas
damn did you just double N/A me with rep?
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