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I made a perma dom with perma hasten for 248mil in under 3 days redside. Yes, the rate of purchasing can be slower than blueside in order to outfit your toon. However, if you actively avoid the popularity of certain IOs you can still make fairly cheap and functional builds quickly.
i would like to see the build how u got over 100% rech without hasten for under 248 mill so i can make one as well


 

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i would like to see the build how u got over 100% rech without hasten for under 248 mill so i can make one as well
LRN2READ... they said for 248 mil in under 3 days. i didn't see anywhere where they said under 248 mil. and it is quite easy. if you have most of the enhancements in your base or recipes on other toons that you can use it costs a whole lot less. and you also missed where they said thet had PERMA HASTEN also.


 

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I think he's referring to the fact that to have permaHasten you need over 100% global recharge.

I'd also like to see the build that can be bought for 250m in three days with permaHasten levels of recharge on the villside market.

It doesn't really count as costing x amount of infamy if you use a bunch of IOs you have stashed. In terms of your wallet getting lighter, sure, it technically counts. But for saying you can have x build for y amount of infamy, it's inaccurate and misleading.

For example, my recent Ice/Cold Corr respec. I already had all the expensive stuff for him already slotted or in base bins, so all I needed to buy were odds and ends. In terms of money I spent buying him stuff, I only spent about 200m. But you certainly can't buy his build for 200m, (4 purple sets, 5 LotG 7.5s, health procs).


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i would like to see the build how u got over 100% rech without hasten for under 248 mill so i can make one as well
Sorry, haven't been paying much attention to this thread. I'll send you a tell; it's a Mind/Energy perma dom. with the exception of lOtgs the build cost under 250mil. I created the build for a friend that wanted a perma dom but didn't have the time to to earn the millions it would normally take.

I should probably rephrase my statement:

I made a perma dom for under 250mil in 3 days. However it took me a few more days to afford the lotgs for perma hasten.

I don't count the lotgs because they are not a set, the build only relies on a few and you can easily buy them with merits.

it's posted on the Kitty forums which...I have no access to at this time. But I will definitely send you the build once I get home today.


 

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I made a perma dom for under 250mil in 3 days. However it took me a few more days to afford the lotgs for perma hasten.

I don't count the lotgs because they are not a set, the build only relies on a few and you can easily buy them with merits.
If by "easily" you mean "if you have a few hundred saved up," then yeah, sure you can.

By that same logic I can softcap you for under <x amount>. I don't count the Gladiator's Armor unique because it's not a set, the build only relies on one and you can easily get one through PvP.


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If by "easily" you mean "if you have a few hundred saved up," then yeah, sure you can.

By that same logic I can softcap you for under <x amount>. I don't count the Gladiator's Armor unique because it's not a set, the build only relies on one and you can easily get one through PvP.
it's 200 merits...

You can't purchase glad armor unique through merits. Your comparison confuses me.


 

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it's 200 merits...

You can't purchase glad armor unique through merits. Your comparison confuses me.
Each. "A few" makes me think ~600+ merits. That's a lot.


 

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it's 200 merits...

You can't purchase glad armor unique through merits. Your comparison confuses me.
Your claims of putting together a high-performance build for under 250 million in 3 days become far less impressive and far more irrelevant to the debate at hand when you start tossing around qualifiers like "Mind Dom" (which can use several low-demand sets with good bonuses) and "except for <expensive item X>, which doesn't count."

You can't purchase Gladiator's Armor uniques through merits, but there are ways to get them without using the market. Therefore, if I use those means, they shouldn't factor into the cost of my build, should they, just like you're not factoring in the cost of the expensive IOs you used.


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Yeah, for someone who claims to understand the market so well, you seem to be falling into the "if I farmed it it's free" trap that a lot of people do.

If you possess or acquire an item of X value by whatever means other than purchasing it, and you do not sell it, you just spent X.


 

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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction View Post
Your claims of putting together a high-performance build for under 250 million in 3 days become far less impressive and far more irrelevant to the debate at hand when you start tossing around qualifiers like "Mind Dom" (which can use several low-demand sets with good bonuses) and "except for <expensive item X>, which doesn't count."

You can't purchase Gladiator's Armor uniques through merits, but there are ways to get them without using the market. Therefore, if I use those means, they shouldn't factor into the cost of my build, should they, just like you're not factoring in the cost of the expensive IOs you used.
Whatever you say. It's one of the cheapest perma dom builds I've ever made and the easiest perma-hasten build I have ever made. I still fail to see the comparison between being able to purchase 7.5 lotgs for 200 merits and farming a glad armor.

You don't have to agree with me, however i'm Not going to argue with you over a cheap dom build I built myself.

Anywho, Gray I sent you the build. Hope it helps.


 

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The point is that the stating the "cost" of the build at 250 million is misleading, because that's just what you spent on after including other (non-inf) resources which you had available to spend, and which you didn't include in the final price. The build didn't cost just 250 mil inf. It cost you that, some hundreds of merits, and perhaps some stuff you had laying around.


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Whatever you say. It's one of the cheapest perma dom builds I've ever made and the easiest perma-hasten build I have ever made. I still fail to see the comparison between being able to purchase 7.5 lotgs for 200 merits and farming a glad armor.

You don't have to agree with me, however i'm Not going to argue with you over a cheap dom build I built myself.

Anywho, Gray I sent you the build. Hope it helps.
Well I'm sure you're all enjoying your awesome Doms for a fraction of what some of us spent.

Now how does any of that help the guy looking for a level 35 Stealth IO again?


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The build didn't cost just 250 mil inf. It cost you that, some hundreds of merits, and perhaps some stuff you had laying around.

and I doubt I've accumulated 200 merits TOTAL across all my characters since they were introduced.

I realize they're a trivial obstacle to some folks, but I haven't got the time to grind them out.


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and I doubt I've accumulated 200 merits TOTAL across all my characters since they were introduced.

I realize they're a trivial obstacle to some folks, but I haven't got the time to grind them out.
Do you know people who do speed TFs? I rarely have the time to commit to merit-gaining stuff during the week, but on a weekend with a good team, (which is really only 3 or so good people and the rest just have to be competent ), it's very possible to run an ITF in 30ish minutes and a LGTF in 30-40mins.

67 merits for an hour and a half, (including organising and stuff, since most people who sign up for the first TF are up for the second), is a pretty good deal. If you don't have time for more than one TF in a row, what you could also do is just run an ITF a couple nights a week. ITFs are quick, easy and both sides can join them. On my home server they appear to be the most popular TF to run by a significant margin. 30-40minutes isn't too bad and I find the ITF fun so it's not really grindy.

What my friends and I usually do, (since we mostly play villside), is do those two and sometimes an RSF as well. Speeding an RSF effectively requires more coordination and skill than the other two though, so I wouldn't get more than 1-3 pug people.


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I can't confirm this (I don't play AE much, so I don't have the tickets), but I've just been told that the AE Gold Recipe Roll can be set for a specific lower level.

I was under the impression that the AE Gold Role worked the same exact way as the Merit Rare Recipe Roll, and checks the exact table.

If it does check the same table, but the level can be chosen, well, that seems like at least a partial problem-solver, assuming people stay in the AE building at all.

Of course, I usually take info I hear and can't confirm with a grain of salt, so I'm throwing this claim also out there not to spread the rumor, but to see what the larger pool of folks here says about it.

Eventually, I'll verify it, and post what I find, if it looks like nobody knows for sure.


 

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Do you know people who do speed TFs? I rarely have the time to commit to merit-gaining stuff during the week, but on a weekend with a good team, (which is really only 3 or so good people and the rest just have to be competent ), it's very possible to run an ITF in 30ish minutes and a LGTF in 30-40mins.
Even if I were to pop into the game and magically have the speed team start RIGHT THEN it would be a tight squeeze to get one in with the ever present possibility of having to go AFK at any moment for a potentially extended period of time, which I hate doing to people.

Yesterday I was checking the market with the Goat when a fellow asked if I wanted to help out on a mayhem. I said 'sure', then ended up having to AFK for while we were hanging out at the mission door waiting for the last member of the team. They started without me and I caught up and ended up having a fun time, but I really dislike leaving teams hanging.

And the few morsels of contiguous playtime I manage to scrounge don't coincide with 'prime time' as defined by most other players.


Yes, that makes me a special case, but I know there are other players in my same position.

All that down time means I can do marvelous things on the market, but basically cripples my merit potential.


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All that down time means I can do marvelous things on the market, but basically cripples my merit potential.
Solo the Positron TF?
I've done that over 30 times.


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Solo the Positron TF?
Uh...I play this game to have fun.

=P


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Uh...I play this game to have fun.
While I won't claim it's fun, per-se, the Posi TF became much, much easier after the change to Exemplar rules. Stamina access alone was a big deal, plus you got two more powers. It may not sound like a lot, but in my experience it made a major difference in how annoying/hard it was to run. I'll definitely miss its current difficulty versus current merits, which were never adjusted down to account for that change.


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I find it as much fun as soloing anything else. (i.e. not tremendous fun - I'd rather be teaming.) But if I'm going to be playing alone, I might as well get some merits in the process. Conveniently, my main is /regen so, even before the exemping change, I had Quick Recovery by level 15. Also, Reconstruction gives toxic resistance.


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While I won't claim it's fun, per-se, the Posi TF became much, much easier after the change to Exemplar rules. Stamina access alone was a big deal, plus you got two more powers. It may not sound like a lot, but in my experience it made a major difference in how annoying/hard it was to run. I'll definitely miss its current difficulty versus current merits, which were never adjusted down to account for that change.
Of the scant handful of TFs I've managed to run in my long career one of them was Positron. It was back in the dawn of time on one of the first characters I ever made with my original group of CoH pals, all of us just tall enough to get on the ride.

You can imagine how enjoyable that was.

It wasn't a complete waste of time- the fight with that big robot at the end was fun, mainly because it was a surprise and we yelled for help and a bunch of other lowbies jogged over to help us put it down.

But getting there was like pulling teeth.

Stamina and a few more powers would made a huge difference, plus knowing how to play the game now, plus running it with a well-slotted level 50....I can see how it wouldn't be awful.


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Of the scant handful of TFs I've managed to run in my long career one of them was Positron. It was back in the dawn of time
And, boy, did Positron look funny in those bearskins.


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It wasn't a complete waste of time- the fight with that big robot at the end was fun, mainly because it was a surprise and we yelled for help and a bunch of other lowbies jogged over to help us put it down.
Whoops! Wrong task force. The big robot is Babbage and he's in the Synapse TF.


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Whoops! Wrong task force. The big robot is Babbage and he's in the Synapse TF.

Then Posi WAS a total waste of time! =P


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Then Posi WAS a total waste of time! =P
Don't get me started on Posi. The first tf that's supposed to encourage players to play tfs is . . . a tedious, ridiculously built slog???

The revamp in the upcoming issue release is probably one the best content decisions the devs ever made.

Which makes it all the more frustrating that War Witch continues the old "we'd rather do NEW content rather than revamps" mantra of Posi.


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The revamp in the upcoming issue release is probably one the best content decisions the devs ever made.
Yeah, I'm hoping the parts are short enough for me to check out.

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Which makes it all the more frustrating that War Witch continues the old "we'd rather do NEW content rather than revamps" mantra of Posi.
I understand the thinking but the first signature task force in the game really shouldn't be an exemplar of the failed design philosophy of the previous regime.

It was the first one I ran and it put me off them for a good while.


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