Issue 19: Incarnates
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Posted on: 2010-03-27 09:03 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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An alternate advancement system that blocks out people who have used the Going Rogue system is incredibly bad design. This will not happen.
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Originally Posted by Godpants
My guess is that the incarnate levels will be the rewards for staying "pure" and not side-switching. The L50 hero badge is already Justice Incarnate.
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Yeah but we still got to wait for both Issue 17 and 18 to come out before we can enjoy the New Incarnates System. |
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I get the feeling Incarnate will be like an Extreme Accolade. That's how it sounds.
I'm guessing obtain badges, run certain missions, and possibly build secondary xp that goes to obtaining these incarnate abilities without actually gaining a level.
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I think I17 and I18 will have one or two things to keep you entertained until I19 |
Originally Posted by GreenFIame
Yeah but we still got to wait for both Issue 17 and 18 to come out before we can enjoy the New Incarnates System.
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Now GG, you've been around to know that's not true.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think I17 and I18 will have one or two things to keep you entertained until I19
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i17 will release and a second later, someone's going to make a new post asking when are they going to give us something new, because they're bored with i17 already.
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in theroy from an ideological stand point maybe Incarnates are NOT invoking/manifesting the gods themselves but instead are drawing upon the things they represent. something like the Endless from Neil Gaiman's Sandman.
ie: Statesman is an incarnation of Raw Power or Lightning which was last incanrated as Zeus. or Lord Recluse is incarnation of Tartarus/Hades or maybe Darkness.
not that any of this would affect gameplay but it's just a thought.
>.> It was said in the vid that if you dont have Going Rogue you dont get the end game system.Meaning no GR= no Incarnate abilities.
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Sounds right to me, all of our powers stemming down from a specific point and branching out, almost like the tree of life i guess xD and by us building upon that power we begin to get in touch with its true potential |
Originally Posted by ObiWan
Doesn't Percy's late level arc hint at the powers all being simular in a way? Maybe incarnate was the first true super origin and all the other kind of evolved from it. That way incarnate levels are just you reaching the pinacle of your power and there by coming closer to the sorce of the origins.
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I do recall the Devs saying that there would be some kind of reward / bonus for characters who didn't switch sides, i.e. started out as a Hero and stayed a Hero their entire career. Such a reward would not be available to anyone that switched sides, even if they made the full transition. I don't know if the Incarnate system is that reward or not.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think that is extremely unlinkely - something this big has to be open to everyone - putting out a boxed expansion based on the concept of switching sides, and then following it up with an Issue containing an endgame system that only players who didn't switch sides can access would just be plain crazy.
There is some chance they could make it only open to Heroes and Villains, so that only people who'd remained loyal or completely switched sides could use it, meaning Vigilantes and Rogues would be excluded - but even that doesn't really seem likely. |
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Abso-frikken-lutely not. It's likely a badge and maybe a contact or something small like that, but to lock out an entire game system from a very large number of characters just because they choose to fall/redeem themselves? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. The developers are not stupid.
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Originally Posted by HellsPixie
I do recall the Devs saying that there would be some kind of reward / bonus for characters who didn't switch sides, i.e. started out as a Hero and stayed a Hero their entire career. Such a reward would not be available to anyone that switched sides, even if they made the full transition. I don't know if the Incarnate system is that reward or not.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Well I17 will likely be out sometime in April and I18 is probably going to be the "housekeeping" patch they release alongside Going Rogue.
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Originally Posted by GreenFIame
Yeah but we still got to wait for both Issue 17 and 18 to come out before we can enjoy the New Incarnates System.
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Playing Devil's Advocate here, are you saying the Devs have never made what players have considered to be stupid decisions? Look at PvP. And regardless of how trivial the reward will be for staying true, there will be people complaining about having their fallen / redeemed characters being locked out of it.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Abso-frikken-lutely not. It's likely a badge and maybe a contact or something small like that, but to lock out an entire game system from a very large number of characters just because they choose to fall/redeem themselves? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. The developers are not stupid.
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I don't care about people complaining about things. Give a person a free piece of cake and they'll complain it's not a flavor they like.|
Originally Posted by HellsPixie
Playing Devil's Advocate here, are you saying the Devs have never made what players have considered to be stupid decisions? Look at PvP. And regardless of how trivial the reward will be for staying true, there will be people complaining about having their fallen / redeemed characters being locked out of it.
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Locking a game system out of another game system, when they are both access-gated by the same expansion, is just shooting yourself in the foot. It's stupid. STUPID.
PVP I really don't care about. They've made PVP changes that affects an incredibly small subset of players, and does not affect any other part of the game. I don't call them stupid, no; Castle himself has said that it didn't include all the changes he wanted, and some of the changes weren't even close to what he originally suggested.
Locking fallen/redeemed characters out of the Incarnate system, when both of them are gated by purchasing Going Rogue, and when fallen/redeemed characters will probably number in the thousands within months, is just flat out STUPID. There's no other word for it.
Playing devil's advocate for it is equally stupid, to be honest.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Ah, I see we may have a misunderstanding here. I said that the Devs have mentioned that there will be a reward for staying true. I did not say that the Incarnate system would be that reward, nor have I advocated that it be made so. The statement on your part that I was playing devil's advocate to was your assertion that the Devs are not stupid. Everyone, the Dev's included, make stupid mistakes. It's part of being Human.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I don't care about people complaining about things. Give a person a free piece of cake and they'll complain it's not a flavor they like.
Locking a game system out of another game system, when they are both access-gated by the same expansion, is just shooting yourself in the foot. It's stupid. STUPID. PVP I really don't care about. They've made PVP changes that affects an incredibly small subset of players, and does not affect any other part of the game. I don't call them stupid, no; Castle himself has said that it didn't include all the changes he wanted, and some of the changes weren't even close to what he originally suggested. Locking fallen/redeemed characters out of the Incarnate system, when both of them are gated by purchasing Going Rogue, and when fallen/redeemed characters will probably number in the thousands within months, is just flat out STUPID. There's no other word for it. Playing devil's advocate for it is equally stupid, to be honest. |
Regardless of what you mean, making a stupid mistake (or more than one) does not make a person stupid, which is what you seem to be implying.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I'm thinking that Incarnates will require some "well of the furies" schenanigans as a task force or personal trial. With Cimerora availiable, they could really throw in the Greek Mythology heavy, plenty more temples etc to perhaps find the "Original" well of the furies?
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It's almost as stupid as putting out a system that encourages people to switch alts frequently to get the most bonuses out of it, and at the same time implementing a new reward system that encourages running as much content as possible on one character to get the most out of it.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think that is extremely unlinkely - something this big has to be open to everyone - putting out a boxed expansion based on the concept of switching sides, and then following it up with an Issue containing an endgame system that only players who didn't switch sides can access would just be plain crazy.
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I hear BaB's has been trying to get that Emeril powerset added for the longest time.
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Originally Posted by Fire Lilly
"There are other new powersets "on the whiteboard" that will make it into future expansions, including staff use"
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Wasn't 'Dark Mirror' issue 16 of the comic though... they're obviously slightly behind the top cow dictated schedule.
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Originally Posted by StormSurvivor
I actually fully expected the Going Rogue side-along issue to be called Dark Mirror. Not only did it sound nice and fitting, but it was the name of the CoH comic that was all about the Praetorians.
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Dark Mirror, IIRC, was the announced name for I17|
Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
Wasn't 'Dark Mirror' issue 16 of the comic though... they're obviously slightly behind the top cow dictated schedule.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I know Dark Mirror is CoX I17. I was contrasting to the issue of the top cow comic called Dark Mirror which was, iirc, Issue 16.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Dark Mirror, IIRC, was the announced name for I17
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17 > 16
Therefore devs behind the Top Cow dictated schedule if we just compare the issue numbers attached to both comic and in-game issue.
It wasn't a 100% serious post.
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Wait... wait... wait...
They are increasing the level cap and introducing an "end game system"?
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Are be starting to become WoW?
I'm concerned.
There is some chance they could make it only open to Heroes and Villains, so that only people who'd remained loyal or completely switched sides could use it, meaning Vigilantes and Rogues would be excluded - but even that doesn't really seem likely.
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