Resistence: All hail Calvin Scott?
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Posted on: 2010-03-18 11:02 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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But that's just the thing. How many Rogue Island Villains actually care about doing Arachnos' bidding? Hell, a third of the time you're outright fighting Arachnos. Time After Time is all about how you take no **** from Lord Recluse or anyone.|
Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Well, the choice is to obey the whims of a dictator of an armpit of an island chain and obey the whims of a dictator that rules an entire world. If you're going to obey a dictator you may as well pick the one that gets something done!
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None of my (non-VEAT) villains chose to be lackeys to Arachnos. They might collaborate with Arachnos if it furthers their goals, but ultimately they always choose to serve themselves. The funny thing about being a member of Praetorian society, though, is that there's no such thing as choice.
Really, if anything, my villains would be more interested in working together with the Syndicate, but I get the feeling that that won't be a choice.
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Well, you can choose to obey, and live |
Originally Posted by Noxilicious
But that's just the thing. How many Rogue Island Villains actually care about doing Arachnos' bidding? Hell, a third of the time you're outright fighting Arachnos. Time After Time is all about how you take no **** from Lord Recluse or anyone.
None of my (non-VEAT) villains chose to be lackeys to Arachnos. They might collaborate with Arachnos if it furthers their goals, but ultimately they always choose to serve themselves. The funny thing about being a member of Praetorian society, though, is that there's no such thing as choice. |
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| Really, if anything, my villains would be more interested in working together with the Syndicate, but I get the feeling that that won't be a choice. |
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Or just not obey... and not get caught, as villains are prone to do. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, you can choose to obey, and live
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I think the Syndicate are just there for both sides to beat up
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As my contribution to this good/evil thing, any hero no matter how goody two-shoes can be pushed to the point where he/she starts to believe that people cannot resonably rule themselves safely and that they would be better off if the hero was in charge. My evidence: Bruce Timm's Justice Lords in "A Better World".
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Originally Posted by ObiWan
As my contribution to this good/evil thing, any hero no matter how goody two-shoes can be pushed to the point where he/she starts to believe that people cannot resonably rule themselves safely and that they would be better off if the hero was in charge. My evidence: Bruce Timm's Justice Lords in "A Better World".
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And, even after that point, can still be redeemed. See Justice Lords Batman.
And sometimes can't. See Justice Lords Superman.
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I think that's how Tyrant started off - I'm pretty sure he didn't grow a moustache straight after he killed Stefan Richter.
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Originally Posted by ObiWan
As my contribution to this good/evil thing, any hero no matter how goody two-shoes can be pushed to the point where he/she starts to believe that people cannot resonably rule themselves safely and that they would be better off if the hero was in charge.
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@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think that's how Tyrant started off - I'm pretty sure he didn't grow a moustache straight after he killed Stefan Richter.
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So by that logic he can be redeemed. So maybe he isn't as uber evil as he's been made out to be.
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He just needs to be separated from his supply of moustache wax.
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Originally Posted by ObiWan
So by that logic he can be redeemed. So maybe he isn't as uber evil as he's been made out to be.
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@Golden Girl
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Where did you hear this? I'd like to see exactly where it is stated that|
Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
I have said this a couple of times already, but I am not talking about Praetorian characters. Yes, your comments about someone born and raised in Praetoria are 100% true, but the issue I had from day one concerns the Primal earth Heroes who come to Praetoria to engage in the side switching mechanic. They need to have a reason to join the side that will lead them to darkness, and I truly believed it would be Tyrant that would do that. However, now I realize that it will be the Resistance who is much more likely to show the Heroes what committing crime is like, even though it will be crime 'for a good reason', the destruction of Tyrant's rule.
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"In order to change one's moral alignment, you will have to go to praetoria"
It makes no sense that anyone would have to travel to an alternate dimension to change their mind about things.
As I understand it, heroes or villains will have to take certain missions to alter their alignment one way or the other.
As an example, a Villain might take Hardcase's mission and shift more towards heroic as they become more mercenary, and take more mercenary work that is actually heroic.
I know that I have to own Going Rogue to change my alignment, but I don't see how I have to go to Praetoria while owning GR to change sides.
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Pretty sure I heard that while at Hero-Con, but I could be mistaken. It is kind of odd that going to another dimention can be considered by the courts as rehabilitation, but....
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I can swear I heard something akin to...|
Originally Posted by Premonitions
Where did you hear this? I'd like to see exactly where it is stated that
"In order to change one's moral alignment, you will have to go to praetoria" It makes no sense that anyone would have to travel to an alternate dimension to change their mind about things. As I understand it, heroes or villains will have to take certain missions to alter their alignment one way or the other. As an example, a Villain might take Hardcase's mission and shift more towards heroic as they become more mercenary, and take more mercenary work that is actually heroic. I know that I have to own Going Rogue to change my alignment, but I don't see how I have to go to Praetoria while owning GR to change sides. |
Mission in Paragon = Good.
Mission in RI = Evil
Mission in Praetoria = Lean toward one side or the other.
As that's the whole point of the expansion, I don't know why they'd give up this option, and make it available to everyone without it.
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For clarity, I'm understanding it to be:|
Originally Posted by BrandX
I can swear I heard something akin to...
Mission in Paragon = Good. Mission in RI = Evil Mission in Praetoria = Lean toward one side or the other. As that's the whole point of the expansion, I don't know why they'd give up this option, and make it available to everyone without it. |
Buying Going rogue allows you to
Side switch
AND
Go to Praetoria.
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ONLY side switch BY going to Praetoria.
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As if i didn't already adore you - you are a SMAC fan as well?
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Every time I see info on the Resistance, THIS comes to mind... (SFW)
It just works. Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite |
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is Scott perfect? No but in Pretoria everyone is a little darker...Cole...tillman...Scott...
in PRetoria the line between Good And Evil is made of swish cheese
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Because Morgan Freeman is cooler. And he played the President and God. And Easy Reader.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I don't care. Fark 'em. Game needs some eye-openers. Even redside is FAR too goody-goody even for a teen rating.
If Morgan Freeman can get away with it and still be loved, why not Tyrant? |
He's freaking Morgan Freeman!
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
And it's not like Aurora genuinely volunteered to host Praetor Tilman's mind anyway - so he's on a rescue mission to set free the love of his life
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And Praetoria is a lot cleaner than the Rogue Isles.
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Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Well, the choice is to obey the whims of a dictator of an armpit of an island chain and obey the whims of a dictator that rules an entire world. If you're going to obey a dictator you may as well pick the one that gets something done!
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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And parades - lots of parades, with shiny jackboots and smart uniforms.|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
And Praetoria is a lot cleaner than the Rogue Isles.
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And everyone looks so happy - you never see an unhappy face on the streets.
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Although there's a very strong implication that she was, ah... "drafted" against her will... how great a plot twist it would be to find out she truly did volunteer? |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And it's not like Aurora genuinely volunteered to host Praetor Tilman's mind anyway - so he's on a rescue mission to set free the love of his life
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Don't tease.
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Although there's a very strong implication that she was, ah... "drafted" against her will... how great a plot twist it would be to find out she truly did volunteer?
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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A plot twist of Nemesis proportions
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Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Although there's a very strong implication that she was, ah... "drafted" against her will... how great a plot twist it would be to find out she truly did volunteer?
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I'm sorry, Calvin... I believe in Cole, and you never trusted him... they let me into your thoughts, and I saw how much you hated him. You'd... you'd never understand how much good he does. You would have just stopped me. I had to leave you... for Praetoria. Please don't hate me. Please...? I love you...
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
A plot twist of Nemesis proportions
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Until we found out Tyrant was actually Primal Earth Statesman.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
A plot twist of Nemesis proportions
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@Golden Girl
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naaa he's Sephan Ricter
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Until we found out Tyrant was actually Primal Earth Statesman.
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