Resistence: All hail Calvin Scott?

I can sympathize.

By and large, us folk from primal earth know Tyrant is a kind of an *******, but a Praetorian does not. I could see playing the 'good guy' who worked for Tyrant, climbing up the ranks, and then realizing how corrupt his government actually is, but being too far along to just back out. So now he's forced to make tough moral decisions constantly.

The same can work for villains, they want to join the resistance because they want to revel in the destruction, and Calvin is going to give them something to do for it. The 'Freakshow' definitely seem like they would more likely join the Resistance than be subject to all of Tyrant's rules. Judging by some of the hair-do's in the resistance, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them would have been the countless freakshow.

Villians from primal, however, are probably most likely to just join the Anarchists. Knowing what Tyrant is, and having lived in a fairly anarchist society to begin with, the Syndicate seems obvious.

If Calvin did get Aurora back and then genuinely did lose interest in the Resistance... well that would just be a fantastic moment.

You know, ever since I first saw and heard about the "new Tyrant", I've been getting very much a Superman IV vibe, especially that scene where he goes to the UN and tells them that he's getting rid of all their nukes.

I have said this a couple of times already, but I am not talking about Praetorian characters. Yes, your comments about someone born and raised in Praetoria are 100% true, but the issue I had from day one concerns the Primal earth Heroes who come to Praetoria to engage in the side switching mechanic. They need to have a reason to join the side that will lead them to darkness, and I truly believed it would be Tyrant that would do that. However, now I realize that it will be the Resistance who is much more likely to show the Heroes what committing crime is like, even though it will be crime 'for a good reason', the destruction of Tyrant's rule.

Don't make me comprehend that film more than I have too... That movie was just horrible.

It's kind of not too difficult to imagine how Statesman became Tyrant. I beleive in the comics, one of his greatest fears was that he could not protect everyone. I think Tyrant realized he could not protect everyone and allow them to be free. Tyrant is simply far more of a control freak than Statesmen. Anyone who does not agree with his 'vision' is booted off the planet.




*giggles sheepishly*

How many bloodless revolutions have taken place in history? Not even the "Bloodless Revolution" is accurately named, as it involved two major battles a numerous violent riots.

It's nice to say that that nothing in this world is worth sacrificing a life, but I can't say I know of anything significant occurring without doing so. Even if you include politics and business, major events will frequently involve the disgrace or political/economic downfall of someone, leaving them without the life they once lived, even if they're technically still alive.

I agree. In fact, I think it would *have* to be the resistance. No sane Hero would join Tyrant. I doubt they'd let us into Praetoria without knowing the collected history of the place, as such an action would be... Plainly stupid on Portal Corps' part. However, a hero might get a taste of freedom in the resistance he was denied in Paragon, and he might discover he likes it.

A hero who joined Tyrant would have to *agree* with Tyrant's philosophy in the firstplace, which would imply he wasn't much of a hero to begin with, he just had the misfortune of being on the wrong landmass. And while we're entertaining that idea, it's not entirely accurate to think that every hero in Paragon Island is a good guy. He may have just joined in the struggle for good, because deep down, he enjoys the power of being on the winning side. He may still want that power in Praetoria. He might be persuaded by Tyrant's constant brainwashing just as the people within it have been. I can think of plenty of reasons a 'hero' might join Tyrant, but they would typically need to start off with a weaker moral compass.

Which would have to mean that Tyrant is the route that leads Villains to the good side

Yup.

I'm not sure the info we've had so far on Tyrant and his thugs really matches that view

"Come for the soul crushing and murder, stay for the good feeling when civilians cheer your efforts to keep the peace."

I believe we were just discussing this quality of Resistance member...

The murder part might make it hard for them to become a Hero

Some of human history's greatest heroes have murdered.

Hence why they leave Tyrant once they do make the final transition and go work with Statesman.

You've already been disappointed once with GR - don't set yourself up for another one

I doubt that after over five years of learning about their customers they'd ever really leave us disappointed.

In other words, a Hero joins the Resistance and starts to realize that everything goes smoother without the restrictions from the FBSA. He begins to work outside the law, and becomes a Vigilante. Every law he breaks is just makes the next one easier, until he is more concerned with the thrill of the crime than the good he could be doing. At that point he says "Screw these Resistance Losers, I'm going to the Isles!" and is now a Villain.

Meanwhile, the Villains have flocked to Tyrant. He has the power that Recluse never could have. Under the new regime they are not only free to crush hope and kill, some times they are even told to do so! Yet the oddest things happen, when that Villain is told to crush some do-good Hero types running around with that Resistance thing...the people cheer him. They do not run away. Instead they praise him for upholding the peace. The Villain then begins to realize that it's not that bad a feeling, and doesn't mind working with the Heroes quite as much. He then becomes a Rogue (horrible name for the faction, but I guess it had to go somewhere) But it's not long before the Rogue realizes that people are cheering for him even though his orders are still horrible. He starts to feel bad for what he is doing, and what he has done. This is when he says "Screw this, I'm going to see what tin face has to offer, maybe I can go straight." And thus has joined the Heroes.

I don't care. Fark 'em. Game needs some eye-openers. Even redside is FAR too goody-goody even for a teen rating.

If Morgan Freeman can get away with it and still be loved, why not Tyrant?

You just described my main's backstory for why he enjoys Paragon City.

Well, ok - but don't say I didn't warn you

Show me where the logic fails, then.

GG, you could never warn us enough about the dangers to our mind!