Single Worst Powers as of 2010

I use Boost Range. I find it very useful for extending cone effects like Full Auto and Energy Torrent. I also find it useful for short ranged attacks like Cosmic Burst. It's also good for getting enough range to hit fleeing enemies who have normally moved out of range.

It's because you did the exact thing you're accusing me of.

Basically, describing a situation particularly outside of normal gameplay (being able to easily survive 2 bosses plus a Lt without worry of defeat) that ToF is not needed in. Go back and reread *your* post and try and understand exactly what you're trying to say. I'll tell you what *I* think you're saying but I could be wrong:

You have a build that is able to skip a useful power for something else. That's not uncommon. But it doesn't make the power you skip any less powerful.

It's broke WITH it.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

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What do you get when you combine the two!!! :P

Let's see...heavy + arrows...

Lawn Darts?

...It was using YOUR example. YOUR example provided two bosses, a lt. and two minions. Besides that, not the Lt. Just the two bosses. *I* Can probably survive the Lt, but I at least assume a typical scrapper can handle two bosses, so I let the Lt. go about his merry way. I have NOT implied you can do this while just staring at your monitor with a slack-jawed expression on your face. I have mentioned that I can survive with Siphon Life, my primary To-Hit, and my secondary. Any AT that cannot handle a Lt. and two minions needs to die. So I let them. You may view this as harsh, I view this as a required part of learning not to suck.

I have not fabricated any situations, I have completely lived within the realms of the ones you gave me, and then explain why I do not think ToF matters in them. Point being, I do not wish to keep playing "make up situations where ToF might be useful" until we find one.

Any potential usefulness ToF might have is invalidated because there are other powers you could pick that make ToF a superfluous use of your time. I've listed MANY reasons as to why I think this. When a power isn't needed, or doesn't do anything something else you can do can do *better*, I consider it useless.

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Lol, you just don't get it. The only situation where ToF is *not* useful is vs foes that resist fear (ghosts and veng nemesis off the top of my head) and foes that resist -ToHit (AVs...can't think of much else). Just because you don't want to use it doesn't make it 'not useful'.

You keep saying 'invalidate' and 'useless' and 'superfluous' but by your definition, *EVERY* power is superfluous. And therefore, you're *WRONG*.

You keep saying "I can survive" and "I can handle" and "I don't need it". Well, guess what. 'I' does not equal 'all'. Go make a Dark Melee Stalker. You'll always be better off with ToF than without it. Or hell, just make a character who's concept is all about fear. ToF will not disappoint. *EVER*

Detonator's fine if you can hit it in time when your henchman's about to die anyway. Not fantastic and probably a skippable power for most people, but it beats Time Bomb.

Yes and that's the only time its useful.

Over in the MM forums we were talking about this the other day.


Yes your right Time Bomb is krap. I knew I was forgetting somthing.

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Fine, for players that suck, ToF is wonderful. Happy?

If your entire argument to reasons why I think it is bad is, essentially, "Nu-uh!" then I quit (I really super duper promise this time)

While yours is any different and you are so much better then everyone that you don't need it so it must suck?

And apparently *we* suck because we know how to use a situational power but he rocks because he doesn't.

*boggles*

You suck because you're hellbent on picking a crappy situational power for situations that can easily be mitigated without it's use. As you cannot fathom how to live without it, you are an inferior player to me and anyone else who knows what they are doing.

I know damn well how to use it. The fact remains that I don't need to use it. And since I'm not doing anything you cannot replicate, neither do you.

Potentially I could tank the entire inner circle together using the support of a single Trick Archer. I say potentially as it depends on whose Trick Archer it is.

If it's my Trick Archer then it's in the bag, but as I wouldn't be able to play both Tanker and Trick Archer even if I could, with 2 accounts, as it's 4 AVs together, it would take some concentration on both parts.

Could I say I'd be able to do the same with all other types of defenders, well yes its possible, but in order to have a TA or any other defender that can assist well without much compromise one wouldn't be skipping powers that, although they maybe situational they have in the worst situations, real value.

I don't understand what you mean by "tank it." Do you mean make it survivable for a tank? I think for that to happen it would depend way more on the Tank and the secondary set the TA was using than TA itself. I would never, ever trust a TA to keep my team safe the way I'd trust the other Defender sets. I think people give this set too many breaks. It's a good idea for a set but it needs a swift kick in the pants before I'd put my faith in it. I'm sure this will que outrage among some TA supporters, but these things are a matter of opinion.

If one person can do something with a powerset then the powerset is alright for whatever that something is. I am still basing around an SO build btw. Players behind the powersets are the ones in question.

I'd say that it could take more concentration for the TA, the level of concentration would surpass that of the level of concentration a Scrapper would need to tank two of the inner circle for sure.

I'd have to have a macro to autotarget Ghost Widow and a macro to autotarget Scirocco to make it easier.

Yep. Which means it isn't useless unless your henchmen never die (which is possible, but at least for me they do die against tough enough enemies now and then.)

Is it a great power? Well, no. As I said, it's probably one of the more skippable powers in MM Traps. Still, a dead henchman and a big boom is better than just a dead henchman, so if you've got the room for it it's not a terrible power.

It's still not clear what you're saying. How does a TA help tank the big four?

I did an overview of every single Defender primary set (which debuffs) and compared them side by side for both "defensive debuffs" and "offensive debuffs."

That is to say, "defensive debuffs" being anything that makes badguys kill you less. So -ToHit, -DMG, -recharge, or mez. Anything you have to cast on the enemy. Note that +DEF, +RES, +HP, and heals DO NOT fit in this criteria. "Offensive debuffs" are anything that makes badguys die faster, like -RES, -DEF, -regen. Again, things like +DMG do not fit in this category.

Not only did Trick Arrow have the least amount of offensive mitigation AND offensive debuffing potential, but it's also the only set that doesn't also have some sort of buff too. Meaning Radiation Emission, Storm, Dark, even Cold not only have the ability to debuff offensively AND defensively BETTER than Trick Arrow, but they also still have buffs and heals to stack on top of that.

So I guess if you're talking about the difference between a Tank having 42% DEF and being "soft capped" with a TA along, or your Tank is so incredibly on the verge of dying all the time that the extremely meager benefits of TA tip him just over the edge and let him live, you'd be right. Otherwise, TA is a very poor defense set. It doesn't contribute enough defensively, it doesn't contribute enough offensively, it has no player buffs, and it doesn't offer anything else. Or in other words, while it's possible your TA is contributing some amount, literally any other set would contribute more.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.