Discussion - Going Rogue Goodies!
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Posted on: 2010-01-22 09:18 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Having been in this game, and on these boards for well over 5 years, I am sure of one thing. Those who do not care about costumes are in the MINORITY. The first thing reviewers talk about in this game is the character customization. In fact many say CoX set an industry standard. I knew people in WoW who would not use some gear upgrades because it looked like crap. People care about looks. In fact, those looks are why many people even do PC upgrades.
I wounder how many of those who say they don't care about aesthetics turn the video settings all the way down?
Think costumes are not important to this community (or the larger portion of it)? Go look at the costume request thread, or the custom weapon request threads. Power customization was desired because it LOOKS good.
I was playing when we got extra costume slots. There was mass rejoicing on the boards, and in the game. I agree, w/o the massive costume, and character customization this game would not have done nearly as well as it has.
All in all, my largest concern about War Witch, is that she may not put the same weight on these things as the lead Devs before her. I fear Jay, and Babs will spend all of their time on new enemy groups, instead of making new things for us. That may be w/o basis, but it is still MY fear.
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Are you kiddin me!! The costume helps define the hero IMO. What hero besides "garbage can man"wouldn't want to look good saving folks! |
Originally Posted by _gohan661_
Really people there is nothing to get excited about yet! a couple of icons and a screenshot. Costumes dont make this game. Infact some of my 50s dint even get a new costume until they were 50. Lots of my toons have upwards of 73 free tailor sessions I really doubt adding more costumes is going to make me more inclined to make more costumes.
I realize its not done yet but it looks to me as if there is nothing much to do in that passage way it will be just another place you superspeed through and take no notice of. |
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Almost certainly wrong. I can't use a time machine to replay the counterfactual situation, but I can say that in the early days of the game, a lot of players commented on the character customization features as being a major selling point of the game, it garnered more press attention specifically because of its character customization and it did for being a superhero MMO, Icon was such a blazing success when it launched that it caused more lag than a Hamidon raid, the momentum of character customization drove the devs to expand on costume pieces which enhanced character customization, and a significant component to replay value was due to the costume editor.|
Originally Posted by _gohan661_
I think it woulda done fine tbh.
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In addition, the design decisions relating to costume customization led to other collateral decisions that are considered highlights of the game design. For example, costumes aren't dictated by function, which means you don't and can't display character advancement visually. Counterintuitively, in CoX this caused costumes to be more valuable to the average player, simply because the costume appearance was considered personalized to the character and not a variable aspect of the character as they leveled and enhanced the character.
While not everyone leverages the costume editor to the same degree, there's absolutely no question whatsoever that it was a critical element to CoH's initial success, and is a dominant factor in its current design aesthetic. In fact, and coincidentally, it meshes well with the casual-player focus that the game moved towards not long after launch.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
All in all, my largest concern about War Witch, is that she may not put the same weight on these things as the lead Devs before her. I fear Jay, and Babs will spend all of their time on new enemy groups, instead of making new things for us. That may be w/o basis, but it is still MY fear.
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The most recent 2 critter groups introduced to the game are Vanguard and Cimerorans. Both of those groups brought us costume pieces and weapons that were available to player characters via in-game systems (VG Merits / Badges). The HeroCon presentation told us that the new Clockwork pieces will be available to the players via in-game unlock as well. It seems that the trend has now been established to create scalable player versions of pieces that we see on new enemy groups, and Going Rogue is already slated to extend that trend.
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I hate it when people just want to bag on how other people enjoy themselves. You dont pay their 15 bucks so why the hell are you arguing about how they enjoy themselves.
If I want to pay 15 bucks a month to just make different costumes, then take it as another subscriber to the game we all love.
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This thread was good til the pointless arguing started mucking it up.
Good point Cath, and thank you for pointing that out.
PP, I think it went where it did, because character customization is a Golden Calf in this game. Think about the heat the old power customization threads would generate. It didn't go bad till one poster told us (paraphrasing) that we were being stupid for being excited over the screen shot.
People will defend the things they are passionate about, and surely you can't be mad about that.
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Superman costumes off the top of my head:|
Originally Posted by _gohan661_
You dont see superman and spiderman changing there costumes every few days... nope there costume is who they are not a hobby.
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1. Original with the triangle shield.
2. Fleisher animated costume with the black shield and red "S".
3. Classic
4. Superman "Blue"
5. Superman "Red"
6. Superman's New Krypton military guild uniform
7. Clark Kent's suit/tie/glasses
8. Superman in lead-shielded, anti-Kryptonite armor
9. Superman with mullet
10. Black recovery suit from "Reign of the Supermen"
Clearly Superman has multiple costume slots.
I know it's been said, but the costume creator is a huge draw for this game. It may not be a big draw for you; more power to you. There are parts of the game that don't interest me, but I don't begrudge upgrades to them if it pleases some part of the fanbase and/or draws in new players.
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You know. I am excited by this screenshot because it LOOKS SO GOOD. I'm excited that that might also represent unlockable costume pieces. I am one of those players who has every costume slot unlocked that I can as soon as I can. It is one of my absolute favourite features of the game.
There are a lot of things I really enjoy about this game but one of the things that keeps me interested over and above kicking butt as a superhero, is how good I can look with a distinct costume and customized powers when doing it.
I already know I will need to upgrade to take advantage of Ultra Mode and if I wasn't getting married it would be a no-brainer for me.
Until GR drops, I'd like the devs to institute Wardrobe Wednesday and give us a weekly shot of something IN GAME that we can look forward to wearing, unlocking, fighting against.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Superman costumes off the top of my head:
1. Original with the triangle shield. 2. Fleisher animated costume with the black shield and red "S". 3. Classic 4. Superman "Blue" 5. Superman "Red" 6. Superman's New Krypton military guild uniform 7. Clark Kent's suit/tie/glasses 8. Superman in lead-shielded, anti-Kryptonite armor 9. Superman with mullet 10. Black recovery suit from "Reign of the Supermen" Clearly Superman has multiple costume slots. I know it's been said, but the costume creator is a huge draw for this game. It may not be a big draw for you; more power to you. There are parts of the game that don't interest me, but I don't begrudge upgrades to them if it pleases some part of the fanbase and/or draws in new players. |
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I doubt that will be the case. If anything I expect War Witch to have a larger emphasis on silly things on the side than other devs have had. Before being promoted to lead dev, WW was the person who made world maps and all the silly dialogue that NPCs make. The maps have a heavy attention to detail, and some have goofy easter eggs and special hidden areas. And she listened to players about removing the AE building from Croatoa. If anyone has an eye and ear for extra fun things that players want, I think it's her.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
All in all, my largest concern about War Witch, is that she may not put the same weight on these things as the lead Devs before her. I fear Jay, and Babs will spend all of their time on new enemy groups, instead of making new things for us. That may be w/o basis, but it is still MY fear.
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Dont think i have seen more than two of them (thats not saying your wrong btw)|
Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Superman costumes off the top of my head:
1. Original with the triangle shield. 2. Fleisher animated costume with the black shield and red "S". 3. Classic 4. Superman "Blue" 5. Superman "Red" 6. Superman's New Krypton military guild uniform 7. Clark Kent's suit/tie/glasses 8. Superman in lead-shielded, anti-Kryptonite armor 9. Superman with mullet 10. Black recovery suit from "Reign of the Supermen" Clearly Superman has multiple costume slots. I know it's been said, but the costume creator is a huge draw for this game. It may not be a big draw for you; more power to you. There are parts of the game that don't interest me, but I don't begrudge upgrades to them if it pleases some part of the fanbase and/or draws in new players. |
I never said you were 'stupid' for having your oppinion but sitting and making costumes for 9 quid a month and not playing does not sound too sensible
I am not going to quoting everything i read but i'll try to answer it all.
Whats the point in the game? To Rescue/conquer the world? Why do anything else then what is designed for? And please dont tell me to find another game to play because this is just silly.
I have not said the character creator is crap or anything of the sort. Its by far the best there is no denying it. But I also played PSO from start to finish with the same costume (as you couldnt change it) i cant remember ppl complaining about it.
If you take the MMO off the RPG Roleplaying is the only thing left and if they are only making costume thats roleplay then they really aint playing the game are they what happened to missions and stuff? thats all roleplay. there is alot of great lore behind this game most of which i do know but its good to let a character run through it growing and changing.
Most of the alternate costumes ppl pointed out are from different superman series different franchises this does not count superman would have to be about 80 years old (if not older) if we counted all of them.
If you guys dont buy games because it might look bad or you cant change the way you look you have probably missed out on alot of good games I am currently playing ToS2 and yes it looks very bad graphically but the storyline is just as amazing as all the other TO series
DA:O there is not customization in that after you first create your toon all powers look the same and there is not even a respec feature (yet) Does that make this game crap? I dont see how your ' it would not be successful without customization' argument comes from where this is the first game with such customization
Oh God, how can I say this without turning up as an unrecognizable charred corpse along some dusty highway ditch wearing a diaper full of Texas sized fire ants with my eyes replaced with screwdrivers?
Remember way back in the day when this thread got started and everyone was like WOW those are great resistance costume pieces, I cant wait to wear them, splat, splat, splat, and Oh super keen, first I changed my desktop to a lolz cat and now my crippling depression doesnt seem so bad anymore, because I have a reason to live again, I get to wear glowing stuff. Well, get out a mop and find something sharp. That picture is of a NPC, not a new costume set.
Me so sorry about that there wasnt a clearer explanation of what was going on in the screenshot, I really am. But when you get down it and think about this rationally, this is really your fault, you jumped to a conclusion. You know I told you a thousand times not to do that, but I guess I need to teach you another lesson in the silence of the basement, next to the treadmill you dont use anymore. Looks like you and I wont be going over to your mothers for dinner like you planned. Canceled! The writing is on the wall baby, you are going to just have to tell the neighbors how clumsy you are, and just deal with it. Let the guilt of your wrong doings lead you on a path to righteousness. Youre welcome.
See how I turned that around, take a note kids.
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Originally Posted by JLove
Oh God, how can I say this without turning up as an unrecognizable charred corpse along some dusty highway ditch wearing a diaper full of Texas sized fire ants with my eyes replaced with screwdrivers?
Remember way back in the day when this thread got started and everyone was like WOW those are great resistance costume pieces, I cant wait to wear them, splat, splat, splat, and Oh super keen, first I changed my desktop to a lolz cat and now my crippling depression doesnt seem so bad anymore, because I have a reason to live again, I get to wear glowing stuff. Well, get out a mop and find something sharp. That picture is of a NPC, not a new costume set. Me so sorry about that there wasnt a clearer explanation of what was going on in the screenshot, I really am. But when you get down it and think about this rationally, this is really your fault, you jumped to a conclusion. You know I told you a thousand times not to do that, but I guess I need to teach you another lesson in the silence of the basement, next to the treadmill you dont use anymore. Looks like you and I wont be going over to your mothers for dinner like you planned. Canceled! The writing is on the wall baby, you are going to just have to tell the neighbors how clumsy you are, and just deal with it. Let the guilt of your wrong doings lead you on a path to righteousness. Youre welcome. See how I turned that around, take a note kids. |
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You're really taking this to some really severe extremes. Just because someone plays with costumes doesn't mean they don't do anything else. I think if you're basing your entire argument on the idea that anyone who even looks at costumes does nothing else, you're way off base. I also don't even think such a hypothetical person even exists.
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Originally Posted by _gohan661_
I never said you were 'stupid' for having your oppinion but sitting and making costumes for 9 quid a month and not playing does not sound too sensible
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Originally Posted by JLove
Oh God, how can I say this without turning up as an unrecognizable charred corpse along some dusty highway ditch wearing a diaper full of Texas sized fire ants with my eyes replaced with screwdrivers?
Remember way back in the day when this thread got started and everyone was like WOW those are great resistance costume pieces, I cant wait to wear them, splat, splat, splat, and Oh super keen, first I changed my desktop to a lolz cat and now my crippling depression doesnt seem so bad anymore, because I have a reason to live again, I get to wear glowing stuff. Well, get out a mop and find something sharp. That picture is of a NPC, not a new costume set. Me so sorry about that there wasnt a clearer explanation of what was going on in the screenshot, I really am. But when you get down it and think about this rationally, this is really your fault, you jumped to a conclusion. You know I told you a thousand times not to do that, but I guess I need to teach you another lesson in the silence of the basement, next to the treadmill you dont use anymore. Looks like you and I wont be going over to your mothers for dinner like you planned. Canceled! The writing is on the wall baby, you are going to just have to tell the neighbors how clumsy you are, and just deal with it. Let the guilt of your wrong doings lead you on a path to righteousness. Youre welcome. See how I turned that around, take a note kids. |
Truth is, plenty of people asked within an hour if it was a PC costume. The smart thing to do would have been to answer then.
Really, I am not sure if you were joking or not. I can never tell with you're posts.
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Well, Jay, thanks for clearing that up at least. I guess we can all now ... wait, what?|
Originally Posted by JLove
Oh God, how can I say this without turning up as an unrecognizable charred corpse along some dusty highway ditch wearing a diaper full of Texas sized fire ants with my eyes replaced with screwdrivers?
Remember way back in the day when this thread got started and everyone was like WOW those are great resistance costume pieces, I cant wait to wear them, splat, splat, splat, and Oh super keen, first I changed my desktop to a lolz cat and now my crippling depression doesnt seem so bad anymore, because I have a reason to live again, I get to wear glowing stuff. Well, get out a mop and find something sharp. That picture is of a NPC, not a new costume set. Me so sorry about that there wasnt a clearer explanation of what was going on in the screenshot, I really am. But when you get down it and think about this rationally, this is really your fault, you jumped to a conclusion. You know I told you a thousand times not to do that, but I guess I need to teach you another lesson in the silence of the basement, next to the treadmill you dont use anymore. Looks like you and I wont be going over to your mothers for dinner like you planned. Canceled! The writing is on the wall baby, you are going to just have to tell the neighbors how clumsy you are, and just deal with it. Let the guilt of your wrong doings lead you on a path to righteousness. Youre welcome. See how I turned that around, take a note kids. |
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Now I can take that that isnt going to be a costume slot. But sorry Jay. BS on it being our fault. It's not our place to state what will and will not be costume options. Nowhere was it stated that those were NPC costumes only, matter of fact. It said that we would have the option of joining the resistance, and then no more then a paragraph or so later a resistance member costume appears, all glowy and stuff. And also nevermind the fact that you CAN get those very same glowy type pieces in another not so good MMO that has recently came out by a company which has a history of say, being cryptic about it's communications with it's playerbase???|
Originally Posted by JLove
Oh God, how can I say this without turning up as an unrecognizable charred corpse along some dusty highway ditch wearing a diaper full of Texas sized fire ants with my eyes replaced with screwdrivers?
Remember way back in the day when this thread got started and everyone was like WOW those are great resistance costume pieces, I cant wait to wear them, splat, splat, splat, and Oh super keen, first I changed my desktop to a lolz cat and now my crippling depression doesnt seem so bad anymore, because I have a reason to live again, I get to wear glowing stuff. Well, get out a mop and find something sharp. That picture is of a NPC, not a new costume set. Me so sorry about that there wasnt a clearer explanation of what was going on in the screenshot, I really am. But when you get down it and think about this rationally, this is really your fault, you jumped to a conclusion. You know I told you a thousand times not to do that, but I guess I need to teach you another lesson in the silence of the basement, next to the treadmill you dont use anymore. Looks like you and I wont be going over to your mothers for dinner like you planned. Canceled! The writing is on the wall baby, you are going to just have to tell the neighbors how clumsy you are, and just deal with it. Let the guilt of your wrong doings lead you on a path to righteousness. Youre welcome. See how I turned that around, take a note kids. |
So while I can accept that we're not going to get those options, BS on it being our fault. Turn in your sexy card mister.
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Originally Posted by JLove
Oh God, how can I say this without turning up as an unrecognizable charred corpse along some dusty highway ditch wearing a diaper full of Texas sized fire ants with my eyes replaced with screwdrivers?
Remember way back in the day when this thread got started and everyone was like WOW those are great resistance costume pieces, I cant wait to wear them, splat, splat, splat, and Oh super keen, first I changed my desktop to a lolz cat and now my crippling depression doesnt seem so bad anymore, because I have a reason to live again, I get to wear glowing stuff. Well, get out a mop and find something sharp. That picture is of a NPC, not a new costume set. Me so sorry about that there wasnt a clearer explanation of what was going on in the screenshot, I really am. But when you get down it and think about this rationally, this is really your fault, you jumped to a conclusion. You know I told you a thousand times not to do that, but I guess I need to teach you another lesson in the silence of the basement, next to the treadmill you dont use anymore. Looks like you and I wont be going over to your mothers for dinner like you planned. Canceled! The writing is on the wall baby, you are going to just have to tell the neighbors how clumsy you are, and just deal with it. Let the guilt of your wrong doings lead you on a path to righteousness. Youre welcome. See how I turned that around, take a note kids. |
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This is how this phrase reads to others: "I'm not saying you're stupid, but if you pay for nothing but the costume creator, then you're stupid."|
Originally Posted by _gohan661_
I never said you were 'stupid' for having your oppinion but sitting and making costumes for 9 quid a month and not playing does not sound too sensible
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Different strokes for different folks, dude. If someone wants to pay their subscription fee just to access the costume creator and make new characters, then that's up to them. You don't get to decide how they spend their money, and you certainly don't get to tell them they're wrong.
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| To Rescue/conquer the world? |
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| I have not said the character creator is crap or anything of the sort. Its by far the best there is no denying it. But I also played PSO from start to finish with the same costume (as you couldnt change it) i cant remember ppl complaining about it. |
City of Heroes, on the other hand, let's people roleplay actively. I'm just gonna go out on a limb and guess that you don't have but maybe one or two characters with a background description filled in. Other people revel in that ability to portray their character to the world by telling their origin stories. But whether you put a background in or not, you character can still "Kill Skuls" as well as any other.
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| If you take the MMO off the RPG Roleplaying is the only thing left and if they are only making costume thats roleplay then they really aint playing the game are they what happened to missions and stuff? thats all roleplay. |
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| there is alot of great lore behind this game most of which i do know but its good to let a character run through it growing and changing. |
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| Most of the alternate costumes ppl pointed out are from different superman series different franchises this does not count superman would have to be about 80 years old (if not older) if we counted all of them. |
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If you guys dont buy games because it might look bad or you cant change the way you look you have probably missed out on alot of good games I am currently playing ToS2 and yes it looks very bad graphically but the storyline is just as amazing as all the other TO series DA:O there is not customization in that after you first create your toon all powers look the same and there is not even a respec feature (yet) Does that make this game crap? I dont see how your ' it would not be successful without customization' argument comes from where this is the first game with such customization |
Alright, gotta close this puppy out somewhere. Gohan, seriously, you are in the minority when you say things like costumes aren't important. That very system and its robustness is what made City of Heroes a success. If it weren't for the vast levels of customization, I honestly feel we'd be lucky to have 10% of our current subscription rates at this point. If not for customization, CoH would have never evolved beyond a cookie-cutter hack and slash MMO using office buildings and super powers instead of dungeons and mana.
Again, you're entitled to your own opinion, and there is no "wrong."
... Unless, of course, you tell people they're stupid for paying for something they enjoy.
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I thought it was just "to have fun", which may or may not involve "creating a unique character to take through the storyline existant in the game". Silly me!|
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Oh wait, the rest of your post emphasized that... so why didn't it here?
There is plenty to do in CoX, but if you don't care about character customization....there are alot of games out there that are better than this one. If you took the character customization out of this game, I pretty sure it would have failed in it's first year. How many people would have stuck with this game for 5+ years if you had to choose from 20 premade characters?
Why do you think power customization and weapon customization were such huge success stories? Why after 5 + years is there still costume contests every single day?
It's not really an opinion. This game's biggest attribute is the character creation. This was true on release, and it's true now.
Things that dont impress me about GR
Graphics upgrade....Yes my PC can play them but its kinda unnecessary since i have played for the last 4 and a bit years with current 'Progress for progress sake must be discouraged :P'
Costumes and possibly stupid moving hair. As stated I dont think it adds anything to the game and I just want to spite GG to not having the hair thing
Things i am looking forward to
The story lines. I have done every arc both CoH and CoV and would love a flourish of new contacts and story lines (and not all related to same zone!)
Endgame content (i just hope this aint a level cap increase or simular)
What i would like to happen
Debt cap increased 4 or 5 times it is now.
Exp curve re-re-adjustment Far too easy/quick to get to 50
Add more Ouroboros arcs (there are alot of hero arcs not available this would add to re-playability with current toons)
Add 'team with open spaces' button to aide getting teams!