Discussion - Going Rogue Goodies!
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Posted on: 2010-01-22 09:18 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Of course it is specific. War Witch made the original post. Had she made the indication right then, it would have prevented this specific let down being voiced by so many. It would have probably lead to a lobby for making such things available to the players I'm pretty sure, but the initial blush of disappointment would have been much different than what some are experiencing right now having had a weekend to build up hopes and think about possibilities. It would also have taken next to no more time than the original post did. |
Originally Posted by Lord Mayhem
That's a fairly specific accusation. Personally I'd rather the Devs spent time working on the game itself, rather than monitoring the forum continuously just in case they could post a little bit earlier to save you a little time reading, posting and getting your hopes up about totally unsubstantiated speculation.
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It does not in anyway reduce my respect for Melissa and the work she has done and my expectations for great things to come, but I would expect that she will learn from this thread and likely be more careful and more specific in future GR posts. The community has been starved for GR information. She knows it as well as we do.
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True that.
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Originally Posted by dj13
The community has been starved for GR information. She knows it as well as we do.
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They really do need to learn how to present new costumes to players. There was a lot of interest in the shoulder cape seen for some pre-issue stuff before the Imperious TF, and then it turned out that was a unique costume for Imperious himself. Since it has happened before, care needs to be taken. It doesn't help that that outfit doesn't look too different from the concept art seen at Herocon for the Resistance, and given that you can join the Resistance... it kind of follows for people to think that you can get that look.
But yeah, it's sometimes hard to tell where people will go with things. I can feel for War Witch there. Still, I saw that pic and immediately thought "ah, new map, tileset, and costume." I do have to assume she knew that a lot of that was shown, otherwise why give the teaser?
But still, no need to get too upset. A new NPC costume does add something to the game, and I can hopefully still assume that other new costume options are on their way for players... even if they aren't glowie pieces. I'll be okay with NPC specific costumes as long as we get some nice new options for our own characters.
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If people got their hopes up and then just realized they were mistaken, I'd agree with you. That's not all that's going on here. We've get quite a lot of bitter posts with people saying there's some kind of fault here and complaining that WW (and/or Jay) made a major PR gaffe by actually not saying anything one way or the other. Maybe they should have realized our community would have that reaction, but to me that's like saying they should have realized our community is extra childish.|
Originally Posted by Mikuruneko
An assumption on our part? Yes, and perhaps an unwarranted one.
A "preposterous sense of entitlement"? Not so much. |
I'm sorry, but it's the last bit that's preposterous. Being disappointed I can accept. Being disappointed to the extent that you have to declare fault and blame against someone for it makes little sense to me, especially in light of how it would be an exception to how things have worked so far (in terms of players getting NPC costumes).
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Was I the only person that assumed that screenshot was an NPC the whole time?
I think the people getting upset about this "leak" coming and not being explained for "so long" need to settle down.
It was people like this, who were ready to grab their pitchforks and torches, that made Cryptic clam up tight for YEARS after Jack made loose statements about future plans haphazardly.
If you keep pulling out the pitchforks and torches, that could only cause one thing to happen... they clam up again and you get even LESS information in the future.
Why risk it? Do you really want that to happen? I don't think so.
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We might even get it as a Halloween costume power |
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
A new NPC costume does add something to the game
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This (I hate to say) is the most sound of the "don't get upset" logic. As I said before in the thread, costumes are something people are passionate over. This is a GOOD thing! People will defend, or lash out when the things they care about are... unclear. Combine that with the lack of GR info, and yes people are going to be angry. It is again a good thing that people get angry over this game. I promise those who have left could care less if that was an NPC costume or not. Those of us who will never leave, we care.
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Originally Posted by Westley
I think the people getting upset about this "leak" coming and not being explained for "so long" need to settle down.
It was people like this, who were ready to grab their pitchforks and torches, that made Cryptic clam up tight for YEARS after Jack made loose statements about future plans haphazardly. If you keep pulling out the pitchforks and torches, that could only cause one thing to happen... they clam up again and you get even LESS information in the future. Why risk it? Do you really want that to happen? I don't think so. |
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Originally Posted by JDub
Was I the only person that assumed that screenshot was an NPC the whole time?
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No, I just assumed they'd leave us believe the exact opposite for far longer.
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Originally Posted by JDub
Was I the only person that assumed that screenshot was an NPC the whole time?
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I guess I am the only one who looked at it and immediately thought "Rikti Again?" 
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I agree, being passionate is always good. However...|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
As I said before in the thread, costumes are something people are passionate over. This is a GOOD thing!
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| People will defend, or lash out when the things they care about are... unclear. Combine that with the lack of GR info, and yes people are going to be angry. It is again a good thing that people get angry over this game. I promise those who have left could care less if that was an NPC costume or not. Those of us who will never leave, we care. |
I too am upset about the lack of GR information. But do you know what I did instead of being destructive? I constructed my own device to keep my mind occupied... the Undrn3t, which ties in with Going Rogue. Sure the devs may never use the concept, but I think it's pretty cool and it's a CONstructive addition to the unofficial CoH community's "lore".
So.... how about everyone upset does something CONstructive with their anger instead of DEstructive?
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While I think casting blame about is a bit unnecessary, I think perhaps also you are looking at this as too isolated an occurence. If you look at the bigger picture and see some of the general dissatisfaction with marketing (in the past, and currently), and with how Going Rogue has been handled in general, that might go a ways as to explaining why people might jump the gun.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
If people got their hopes up and then just realized they were mistaken, I'd agree with you. That's not all that's going on here. We've get quite a lot of bitter posts with people saying there's some kind of fault here and complaining that WW (and/or Jay) made a major PR gaffe by actually not saying anything one way or the other. Maybe they should have realized our community would have that reaction, but to me that's like saying they should have realized our community is extra childish.
I'm sorry, but it's the last bit that's preposterous. Being disappointed I can accept. Being disappointed to the extent that you have to declare fault and blame against someone for it makes little sense to me, especially in light of how it would be an exception to how things have worked so far (in terms of players getting NPC costumes). |
While we can't expect the developers to work on a customer-mandated schedule, we certainly have a right to be disappointed in what we're receiving, and to voice it. To think we shouldn't do that on a forum made for such things is - to me- what is preposterous. We are paying customers, after all. (And yes, I'm aware no one has paid for Going Rogue yet, but many obviously intend to, even if I'm not yet one of them.)
I think that an outrage like this can only be fixed with, say, 2-3 screenshots of Demon Summoning in action.
EDIT: By the way, I'm a strictly spandex-and-cape type, so not having access to the glowie Resistance suit doesn't actually affect me - but I'd still like it to be available for players, because I like to see the outfits other players come up with
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It would be? Maybe I'm getting too much out of this, but I've seen a slow progression where we seemed to be moving away from "players can't have this" lately. Let me think.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
especially in light of how it would be an exception to how things have worked so far (in terms of players getting NPC costumes).
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It all started with minor things like Cabal hat. Things that are faction-specific but we were allowed to have.
Then, we got faction-specific emblems. Not a lot of course, but it allows people to make characters who represent the respective factions. Later on, we got Arachnos helmets.
Unlockable weapons and shields. Ever had a toon that swings a Tsoo Katana or uses an Ascendant Shield? Well these are things that NPCs have that we like, and were given.
Cimerora and RWZ came out which both introduced new factions with their own outfits. But if you notice, those outfits were given to players too. There are a few things that we didn't get, like the clothes sybils wear, but for the most part new things added were given to players too.
With Going Rogue, when we saw the new Clockwork parts, we were told those were unlockable and available to players. Good; the trend of new things being given to players continues.
Then this, which we're told isn't for players. Maybe there is a long history of things going to NPCs that we'll never have. But that hasn't really been the case lately.
There's an enormous database of costume parts that players don't have. Some of them for technical reasons, some of them for visual reasons, and some of them for no real reason at all. Is the only reason I can't have ripped jeans because NPCs have them? If so, that's sad. But I think if there's anything that time has taught us, it's that players don't like not having cool looking costume parts that are introduced. And I think care should be taken when showing off things that players can't have.
Considering the trend of giving players faction-specific armor lately, including in Going Rogue already that we know of, and that as people have pointed out, we'll be able to "join the Resistance," I don't think it's unreasonable that people thought that this would be something players can have.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I'm hoping that we can mix and match our guns in GR, because I want something like this:
I couldn't resist!
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Wait, they took notice of players wanting glowing costumes from this thread? What about my incredibly persuasive request from 3 1/2 years ago in Jay's costume request thread? Surely you meant to say something like, "The devs have finally admitted that Sardan's request has reached the top of the to do list." |
Originally Posted by theOcho
That being said, your overwhelming response to the armor did not go unnoticed by the Devs, so they are definitely aware that if there is ever an opportunity to bring you costume pieces of this nature, you want them! I wouldnt be surprised if the wheels in their heads are already turning. Im not saying that anything will end up coming out of it, but our Devs tend to be pretty good at fleshing out all the possibilities.
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I'm still waiting for the International No Symbol to be included in the costume creator. And I did ask for that a couple years ago... and it's a simple thing, just...
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No, you weren't. There were plenty of us speculating that that was Calvin Scott, leader of the resistance, which should have meant 'signature costume' that was unavailable to players.|
Originally Posted by JDub
Was I the only person that assumed that screenshot was an NPC the whole time?
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When the Devs unveiled the P.Clockwork pics, they said right away that those pieces would be available/unlockable to players. The fact that they didn't say, "Here's player costume pieces!" with this new pic should have held off the GIMME NAO frenzy.
But they never learn.
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I wanna see cool outfits I can unlock or have 
But it is ok to show the NPCs I don't mind : P I just don't care what they look like. Hehe I will see the in the game.
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If that's Calvin Scott, then they did more than give him a new wardrobe. He looks completely different from the Calvin Scott who I remember getting a TF from years ago.... the face is completely different, the complexion way too light, and he didn't have white hairs or glowy eyes.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
No, you weren't. There were plenty of us speculating that that was Calvin Scott, leader of the resistance, which should have meant 'signature costume' that was unavailable to players.
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If that IS Calvin Scott, they'll need to do some explaining for why he looks like a completely different person.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's ever ok to get angry or even mildly annoyed with anyone over something so trivial as the timing of when the Devs could get around to shooting down player speculation. After all, these forums have been flooded with unsubstantiated speculation for years.|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
You know, it is ok to get angry with people you like sometimes. I like the Devs, I even think Jay's posts are funny as hell, but I am annoyed that this was not made clear to start with, or at the least much sooner than it was.
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If this is grounds for getting angry, well, I'd hate to see what would happen to some of you if you were playing an SOE MMORPG when they pulled one of their famous sledgehammer patches, changing the game overnight - it's hard to predict whether you'd have a cardiac arrest or a head explosion.
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Originally Posted by dj13
Of course it is specific. War Witch made the original post. Had she made the indication right then, it would have prevented this specific let down being voiced by so many. It would have probably lead to a lobby for making such things available to the players I'm pretty sure, but the initial blush of disappointment would have been much different than what some are experiencing right now having had a weekend to build up hopes and think about possibilities. It would also have taken next to no more time than the original post did.
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No wonder the Devs have been quiet for so long about GR - sure, the silence stirred up some mild ongoing complaints, but one released screenshot, then a bit of a delay before shooting down a gathering amount of player speculation, and suddenly unreasonable outrage is back in fashion in a major way?
I mean look at what you're about to make me say... I agree 100% with Westley!
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Originally Posted by Lord Mayhem
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's ever ok to get angry or even mildly annoyed with anyone over something so trivial as the timing of when the Devs could get around to shooting down player speculation. After all, these forums have been flooded with unsubstantiated speculation for years.
If this is grounds for getting angry, well, I'd hate to see what would happen to some of you if you were playing an SOE MMORPG when they pulled one of their famous sledgehammer patches, changing the game overnight - it's hard to predict whether you'd have a cardiac arrest or a head explosion. |
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There is a lot of crap on these boards that I find it odd that people get angry over. Shoot there is a lot of crap in life that I find it odd that people get angry over. Each person has their own triggers.
I am a loyal player of this game, and I can't see that changing till the servers go down for good. That dosen't mean i sit in a fantasy world where the Devs do no wrong. I am just willing to call them on it.
Much of the "anger" here is nothing more than net anger. The tone of message boards tends to be one of anger, even if it isn't. In person I think the most that would be said is "That was messed up." In person there is also tone of voice, facial expression, and body language. Not hard to get a point across.
On the internet it takes a lot more to get something across, and convey feelings. So more gets typed wrong, and more gets misunderstood.
I am annoyed. Partly by the lack of info, partly by the mishandling of the original post, partly by how so many rush to defend a mistake, and partly because this is not the first time. Is it life changing? Nope. I am mostly just bored, I finished a good book, and I am waiting for the next one to get here in the mail. I can't speak for others, but I will forget about this as soon as more info is released, or my book gets here. I am a firm believer in poop happens.
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and for that I do honestly apologize. |
Originally Posted by Lord Mayhem
I mean look at what you're about to make me say... I agree 100% with Westley!
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Anyway, we can bet they'll take this as a learning experience, and give us the next screenshot with a caption akin to "Sneak peak at Faction X NPC."
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