Discussion - Going Rogue Goodies!

The devs finally take time to give us a teaser about GR and then when the player base's speculation veers off course, people blame the devs. I'm sure Jay posted as soon as he was aware of the issue. Let's be gracious and cut the devs some slack, folks. Hopefully they'll be eager to share more goodies with us instead of deciding that forum rage isn't worth it.

Well, this should tide you over. Literally hundreds of literary classics for you to gaze over completely free of charge. I often read it while I'm impatiently waiting for forum responses to my posts... some of you people are so slow!

Good link, thanks!

I am also using my netflix watch now option, and fear.net. Still I am like a man in the ocean dying of thirst. What I REALLY want is GR or GR info, the rest are just poor fill ins.

NO

but I'm kinda weird

The collective works of Edgar Rice Burroughs is a "poor fill in" for GR info? Blasphemy! I mean... Tarzan! The Mars Stories! Son of Tarzan! More John Carter! Did I mention Tarzan?

Also, all of the original Sherlock Holmes stories!

Correct. But we have become accustomed with, that there is always a good chance, that some of the costumes on NPC's can sometimes end up being granted as new pieces to the player base.
You can't blame us for being overly optimistic, this is Going Rogue after all, and a lots of us are excited to the *squeeee* level.

And all the rampant speculation, whilst can be seen as negative, also has some positive effects for the development team.
Drop us a teaser, firstly we get talking, and saying what we like/don't like about the teaser, and then players run off in tangents of discussion. You get a lot of feedback and mini-ideas from the one teaser. Whilst not all of it is positive, you get a lot of information back from us that can be used in further decision making. Well that's how I feel about it

Yes. I have been a very bad girl.
Give us this costume piece (below), and I will atone for my sins, by lavishing you with grapes, donuts, your favourite beer, and plushy toys that you can throw over your cubicle wall at the back of BaB's head.

Edited for laughs and for KINKINESS!

Damn!

To expand on that:

Ever since I got the PPD costume code, which randomly turns on its suit lights (similar behavior to building lights) at night, I have been longing for regular costume pieces that light up at night or just plain have lights/glowies on them. I really thought this would finally be coming true, but alas... "NPC only" as it were. What a downer after such and upper, eh? I hope the set can be redone so that players can wear the outfit as well.

Oh, also:

It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again.

It comes down to this for me. I don't roleplay at all so combat and costume are my enjoyment. I still gleefully remember another player saying to me, "That is the most awesome level 3 I've ever seen!" one day. Always loved how I can look like a level 50 from the very beginning.

Oh I *want* them all, but I won't be upset if I can't have them all.
But it is a bit like Pokemon - gotta catch them all! He he he.

I actually like the way things are.
Whilst I'd love to have every costume option to play with, I feel there needs to be a distinctiveness in appearance with the npc's, it makes them a lot more unique. I don't mind getting a couple of pieces of their costumes, but it feels wrong to me if I have their entire appearance.

I'm a bit torn over this one however. There are some that look so awesome that I wish I could have that look, but it's not something I'd lose sleep over nor be mad about. Either way, the way I see it, it's all good.

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OMG did that annoy me! I played the ITF as soon as I could so that I could earn that nifty cape... which I assumed was available. I was pissed when I found out that they had used that pic in promotional art... using pieces we could never get.

I am over it now.

Nope, I was right there with ya.

I don't think we're bent about it. Well, not me really but it seems a bit rude and arrogant. This game has been sub-par lately and we still support it in hopes of GR being a significant upgrade to this game (my opinion and some SG mates as well). Then you get that antagonizing bit of dribble from a DEV. Honestly, it's not a big deal but when you go and 'slap' your playerbase in the face with those type of comments...well...it's not the best move. It hasn't changed my opinion of the game and it is one DEV only kinda stirring the pot. Ah well. A bit immature and tasteless but that's just my opinion

I also think some of us may have set our expectations a bit too high with GR. Many of my CoH buds make it sound like they're expecting CoH v. 2.0. Although this expansion has been in the works for maybe a year, I can't see it being that big. Unfortunately, to extend this game's lifespan, it might have to be. Stay tooned, true believers!

Personally, I think they need to consider swinging harder. If they are going to be blamed for "arrogant, immature, antagonistic face-slapping" anyway, I say swing for the fences.


I would.

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Would you take away the Vanguard, Roman, and upcoming Clockwork pieces? Because it doesn't seem to me like we aren't getting pieces because they don't want us to look like NPCs. They don't seem totally opposed to giving us some pieces, or even complete sets. It appears totally random/arbitrary that we get some pieces and not others.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

How does dissatisfaction with marketing translate into jumping the gun on the notion of whether these were player costume pieces?

Also, forum communications aren't marketing. Marketing is the stuff that shows up on GamePro or in magazines. Stuff on the forums is the devs giving completely non-required communications to their players. Does it behoove the devs to give their existing players tidbits to hold their interest? I sure think it does. But remember, only a minority of the player base actually frequents the forums. "General dissatisfaction" with something they do on the forums that they could completely blow off is another example of a sense of entitlement. The devs in this game communicate with their forum community more than just about any other MMO in history. We're spoiled that they communicate on anything like the level that they do. We can always hope they do more and do what they do however we think would be better, but to be angry with them over it is too much.

It doesn't help that I consider the implication that the broad forum user is experiencing "general dissatisfaction with marketing" an unprovable claim.

Only some people in this thread expressed simple disappointment. Some went so far as to say how uncool they thought Jay was or how unimpressed they were with WW as a result. While those feelings may be true, I think they point to a significantly overblown sense of entitlement about what the devs owe us here on these forums ... and maybe in-game.

I love this game too, and I get very passionate about some topics, usually things related to game balance changes. There are things the devs have done that I disagree with intensely, so don't read into this that I have my lips attached to any posteriors. When those things happen I express my unhappiness, sometimes in no uncertain terms, but I don't go after the devs on a personal level. Some people in this thread did.

There are far more examples of things they could give us but haven't than things they have given us. While there are examples of them giving us things, that is not clearly a trend towards them giving us all of them. It seems perfectly reasonable to have hoped this was an exception to the trend, but not reasonable (IMO) to have automatically assumed it was.

Wrong, the point of the game is to rake in money for NCSOFT. That is accomplished by letting us do alot of cool stuff.

Booooo!!!!

To the first, I more meant that the dissatisfaction lead to jumping the gun in posting about things in the heat of the moment, or in going too far. And I agree that's what happened, I just don't think that going around telling people they've a preposterous sense of entitlement is any better than the mistake made in the first place, or a certain Developers not-very-funny, rude response to his customers. If I got service that bad in a store you can bet I'd never shop there again. Luckily, BABs, Castle, and a good number of others are indeed very communicative. I won't let one guy I don't like sour me on things in general, but it doesn't mean I - or others, in this case - have to refrain some airing our dissatisfaction.
I'm also not disagreeing that the level of communication is good in a more general sense. I've played a lot of other MMOs, and the public relations are usually garbage, or worse.But absolutely every screenshot, every revealed feature, every detail they give us of new issues, and of Going Rogue, positively goes through marketing first. It is marketing that tells them what they can say, and when, and what can be revealed - even on the forums. That the Devs get to actually pull the trigger on it isn't so relevant.

As to going after others on a personal level, I don't think telling someone you're disappointed in their performance is doing that. I think some of what Jay said was uncalled for (I get that he thinks he's funny, I just heartily disagree) and I think your initial statement implied in too broad a stroke that everyone who complained had a preposterous sense of entitlement which is . . . kind of personal, too. I appreciate your clarifications/elaborations, however.

Whether you should like Jay or not isn't something anyone should debate. I do like his posting style, though I consider it very weird. If you can parse his posts, he's a straight shooter, and I appreciate that, even if I might dislike the message. I can readily accept that others might feel differently.

I have no objection to the Dev's stance that NPC costume pieces be, by and large, unique to the NPC "factions". I can understand players wanting it to be otherwise, and I don't think there would be harm in us having them, but I also don't see any harm in us not having them. Decisions like this are more about feel and concept than something like AT or powerset balance. The devs have to decide something in such cases, and sometimes they are influenced in the decision by things we don't care about and thus choose in ways we (edit: don't) want them to. We can't say our way is better except in the sense that it's what we want, so we obviously like it more.

You feel that the way costumes are handled could be different in a way that would be more like what you want. Whether or not that's better is subjective. Hell, I might even agree with you, but it's still an opinion. Ultimately, the devs' opinions trump ours. All we can do when their opinions don't match is to try to change their opinions. Telling them they suck (not saying you did that) probably isn't going to get real far.