Discussion - Going Rogue Goodies!

Hahahah! Awesome.

The best resistance member is one that is close to the enemy. This could very well be Raymond Keyes.

There is great wisdom here.

Now where have you put the real Westley and have you made absolutely sure he cannot escape?

I might too in their position, but I appreciate that they show admirable restraint (and humour, even if some players don't like it and use that as another reason to attack them) - it's not pretty when Devs/Mods sink to the levels of pettiness that players often show - looking at Darkfall and WoW in particular - even though it can be amusing looking in from the outside. I'm glad our Devs/Mods, and our community, isn't seen in that light.

It's not that arbitrary.

Prior to Paragon Studios, costumes that were made for NPCs, groups and signature NPCs, were made for the NPC skeleton, which differs from the PC skeleton (placement of nodes, e.g., on which you 'hang' the costume, which is why NPCs can have back packs and we can't.... yet). Costumes made for NPCs were not made to stretch according to sliders and were not made to be mix and match with other costume pieces, so, no worries about clipping issues.

Thus, none of these 'legacy' NPC pieces can be translated into PC costumes. To make PC versions, the costumes would have to be re-created from scratch.

Besides this technological block for transferring NPC costumes to PCs, there was a in-game role-playing stance on the part of the Devs (most likely Jack) that players are heroes apart from those factions and not members of them (despite the fact that many RPers loved to use being part of an existing faction as part of their back story).

When Paragon Studios was created, Positron had the stance, "give the players what they want." And so, there was a stated policy that from here on out, when new costumes are made for NPC groups, they will *try* to make them in such a way that they actually can be made portable to PCs. Thus, we have Vanguard and Roman Costumes, and soon, P.Clockwork pieces. So, the devs came through on this pledge.

However, they have made it clear that signature NPCs will retain some pieces unique to that NPC which the players will not get. So, despite the mistake of including Imperious and Daedalus in the picture of new Roman Costumes, Imperious' cape and both of their helms are not available for players. No Sister Airlia's flowing loin cloth. (But we did get all those model's hair styles.)

So, in summary: The costumes of Legacy NPCs are off the table since they would have to be recreated from scratch and the time to do that is time away from giving us other new pieces. New factions have the possibility to also provide new costume pieces for player use. Signature costume pieces unique to an NPC are always unusable by PCs.




The guy in the pic has skin -- dark skin -- and is a weapon user. Antimatter would have Caucasian skin if he had any skin (Primal Keyes got his body back, which doesn't mean Praetorian Keyes got his body back) and is Rad/Rad like Positron. Also, the legacy version of Antimatter already in the game does not have Tron-like glow-lines.

Because if he took anything out he'd get lynched. If he changes anything he'll get lynched. All he can do is add new stuff, which he does. Of course we want more.

Oh, and my baseless guess for the Tron NPC? I think he's a member of the Praetorian Freakshow faction. Mostly because of the hair.

I was a John Carter of Mars fan back in 6th grade... never read any Tarzan though. I should probably do a refresher read of the series.

While Arcanaville I rarely thing you are wrong (Because you aren't) this time I think you are. While it may not bee good, the ugly truth is the customer is allowed to act that way, those providing the service are not. It is a horrid double standard, but the world is full of them.

I was pretty happy to see that those were not terms I had used No matter what, I do think it could have been done better. As I said on my SG boards, I am buying GR (no doubt there) for Costumes, Powers, and Side switching. I am sure I will enjoy the other features, but as of now those are the ones I am most looking forward to.

I am not really excited about seeing new PCs who have items that I get to lust after for the next few years the same way I have wanted the Robo Cop style armor that the Paragon Police force has, or the Kheldian sash, or the Freak Show tattoos, or any other number of things in the game.

I had hoped that going forward enemy groups, and NPCs (too much to ask for there I know) would be created the same way that PC characters are.

I am looking very much forward to new GR info. This by no means decreased the excitement I have for GR.

As peterpeter said, what's fugly to one person is someone else's signature costume piece. Every time they change something that's already there they get a flurry of people who hate it. I know - they did it to me once, changing the geometry of the hair I used for one of my favorite characters. After that episode, I always want them to add new stuff, not replace it with "improved" pieces, so I very much understand the (probable) reason some things are left alone.

Although it's usually mentioned for powers, what you and peterpeter just stated is "the cottage rule" in short.

And I agree. To a point. For players, sure. For NPCs. NO.

There are ALOT of old and decaying things that they need to revamp in terms of tfs, the game world, and mob costumes in the original coh zones. I couldn't care less about the cottage rule in that instance.

Just an aside.

Carry on.

Nope. I was pretty sure it was an NPC. The inclusion of what appeared to be a handle of something back mounted kinda clued me in. Still, it didn't stop me from hoping that one day, we might have access to the parts.


Hello, and welcome to Praetoria!

Now, I could be wrong (and I usually am about things like this), but I don't recall where anything ever said that Praetorian Counterparts had to look exactly alike in facial/body features... >.>

I see...


I hope, however, that there is a realization that players are always looking for that next step in customization... so much so, that is now a selling point in multiple industries that are 'avatar-oriented'; from plastic dolls to virtual ones.

I also hope that it was understood (or at least assumed) that not everyone was jumping to conclusions; I'm sure that some of it was, "I hope we're getting those!" or "Are those for us?" sentiments as well as the assumption that that's what we were getting.

I would like to think that the with the advent of Power Customization (and Ultra Mode), that glow (and/or more metallic) pieces/details (skin) would make it into player hands. Even with it being limited, at start, to specific pieces with their set color; to a gradual expansion of upgraded current pieces/details that allow for a full range of color choices.

IMO, I would like to see color customization hit the NFSU 'Holy Grail'; yet I understand that, even if this were the intended destination, it probably wouldn't be good business to give it to us all at once.

Oh Sexy One,

I know you were joking when you "turned that around".

Unfortunately, if the forums have taught us anything, it's that there is a serious lack of a sense of humor exibited by many of the forumites. Many are looking for a reason to feel outraged and disrespected. And you handed it to them on a silver platter.

In the coming days, weeks and months, this post, or more accurately portions or misconstruing summaries/recollections thereof, will be used as "evidence" of Dev disrespect of the player-base. If you look at a few of the posts between your post and this one, you'll see that it's already started.

I (and many others) love your bat-[WARNING EXPLICIT LYRICS]-crazy, random-[WARNING EXPLICIT LYRICS] posts, but please refrain from anything that, no matter how jokingly, casts any aspersions on the players.

Because it will create unnecessary drama, and we have enough of that as is.

Ocho, that's good to hear. I suspect that what most of us want isn't necessarily those exact pieces, but "glowy" costume options. I know that from day one, I was simulating them with areas of bright patterns overlayed upon darker pieces, so I certainly was excited by the prospect of actually having glowy bits.

I'll give you blood pressure!



An image says a thousand words

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

You can't believe that the discussion of a costume reveal with a feature most players would love (glowy bits) turned to disappointment when it was revealed that they would not, in fact, be able to access them? Especially when it took quite some time for the fact that it was NPC only to be revealed?

Clearly, you are in the minority. At the very minimum, most people hoped they were PC costume pieces. And again, it took quite some time for this to be proven untrue.

Amazing insight... really.

On this, we agree.

One could make similar statements about the judgmental nature of certain posters here... but that might be a tad... hypocritical.

I would also point out that, unlike in other situations, the amount of over-the-top outrage has, thus far, for the most part, been pretty minor.

LOL!

Over the years, there have been so many instances of player uttering the phrase "the Devs slapped me/us/the players in the face", or variations thereof.

In no instance did I ever feel that perception was warranted.

A) Please have your humor-detection circuitry examined. It's faulty.
b) Sure you would. Is that what your mommy told you? /em pat... pat... pat...

Hopefully the context of what I said made it clear that I was, in fact, talking specifically about costume pieces and nothing else.

Your lack of understanding does not Jay a bad dev make.

It just means you have "No idea".

And the irony of someone who claims he can do Jay's job better complaining about "his ego" is priceless.

I figured it was an NPC as well, but I thought they might have designed it with players' costumes in mind like they said the Praetorian Clockwork had been.

I'm not too upset that we're not getting that specific costume. I think they mentioned that GR would have more new costume bits at HeroCon, so I'm pretty satisfied with that.

But if you make your character stand really really still, you can draw costume outlines on your screen with a highlighter and kinda get the same effect, right?

I think Jay is a good example of humor being lost when it crosses the Atlantic