Good character names are running out, huh?


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OK, OK, this is a stupid reason to start a new thread, but... Well, when has that ever stopped me? You know, for the past five years I've been listening to the same tired old argument - all the good character names are already taken, woe is me. On the one hand, I don't buy that, because I know they're not, but on the other hand, there's always that niggling little thought at the back of my mind: "Yeah, I'm making fun of these people and dismissing their concerns, but what if it happens to me?"

What if it happens to me, indeed? Suppose there was a character I just HAD to give a descriptive name, where giving her two names or a personal name would just have been a step down? What if all the descriptive names I could come up with are taken? What if... Well, it finally happened.

See, for a while now I've been throwing around a concept for a character who is blind (and deaf and lacks any sense of smell, taste or touch), but has alternate methods to see. "Daredevil" was out of the question, obviously, but I wanted to go with something that meant "blindness." "Blindness" itself wouldn't do, again very obviously, and I've tried both "nearsigted" and "shortsighted" before, and both were taken, as well as, let's be frank here, not being terribly good names. Being that English is not my first language and I hadn't dealt with blindness much before, that's where my synonyms ran out. What is one to do, then? I've seen a lot of people post thesaurus sites, but like an arrogant *****, I just ignored them, proudly thinking to myself "I would never need such a thing! My vocabulary is far too vast for me to worry about it!" Yeah, apparently not vast enough.

But there's still the 'net, obviously, and doing something as simple as googling "blindness synonym" (and that's straight out of my search history) presented me with a couple of user-unfriendly dictionary sites that gave me such odd suggestions like "sightlessness" and "blindness" o.O. But among them were good suggestions, such as "myopia," which I never actually knew the meaning of, but it turns out to be a medical term for near-sightedness. "Cool!" I thought. "That... Sounds like a really crappy name, but maybe it's free!" Nope. No dice. Someone thought of it first, and perplexingly decided to use it. Huh. Well, people are typically smarter than me, and there are, like, a hundred thousand of them consuming, like, 30 names each, so they pretty much have to be.

Moving down the list, I found the word "cecity," which is apparently SUCH a rare word for blindness that a google search for it reveals nothing and asks me if I actually meant "city" (it does show ONE sight that has it, though), and Wikipedia has no articles of that name, or with that word in their titles. Huh. Here I thought it was a word that meant some kind of specific blindness condition, or an eye disease of some sort, but apparently it literally means blindness in all sense of the word. Imagine that.

Of course, before I did any of those additional searches, I tried the word as a character name. Surely someone smarter than me, with a better vocabulary and English as a native language would have thought of such a curious word and it would be taken. After all, all the obvious names are taken, a "blindness by another name" is very much as obvious as it gets. Nope. "This character name is available." Huh... I did not expect that, but I'll take it! So I sit around, making a character for around five minutes (I had the costume all planned out beforehand), get to the name selection field and type the name in. Just to be sure (and out of disbelief), I hit Check Name. "This name could not be checked." Son of a... Hit again, cannot be checked again. Why, I don't know, but I decided to give the name check system the finger and go ahead with it anyway. Name went through and the game popped me up into Outbreak.

Still in disbelief, I checked to make sure I'd spelled the name right. My /infoself name field says "CECITY," that's C E C I T Y. Looks the same as what I'm seeing in my google serches. I can't copy my name off my infoscreen, so I do a /whoall (I'm the only one in Outbreak on Victory at the moment), copy my name out of there (in the process closing my chat window ARGH!!!), plop it down into google and I get a confirmation from The Free Dictionary explaining that my search term meant "(Medicine / Pathology) a rare word for blindness." Well, I guess I spelled it right, I'm in the game with the right name, it has the right meaning, and apparently either no-one thought of the name or no-one liked it. Huh...

Finding the word to use as a name took me somewhere in the neighbourhood of 3-4 minutes, give or take. I've been typing up this post talking about it for the past 15-20 minutes. That ought to give you some context as to how hard it was to find.

Good character names are running out, huh?


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I made a new Mind/Kin the other day... (2 days ago) named her Orion's Angel on Virtue... got the name no problem, it was my first choice.

I wonder if RMTers have issues making names like lsfghjdfh;sdf or hkvbgkfjxdkhf or jlfhgadhg;a? Oh darn that one is taken too.


 

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I think there is a guide somewhere on the boards explaining naming techniques. I do things like frame in "x" or add a dash. So I ended up with x Keeper of Blades x after moving one of my toons to Virtue. I tend to get the name I want in one way or another.


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So I sit around, making a character for around five minutes (I had the costume all planned out beforehand), get to the name selection field and type the name in. Just to be sure (and out of disbelief), I hit Check Name. "This name could not be checked." Son of a... Hit again, cannot be checked again. Why, I don't know, but I decided to give the name check system the finger and go ahead with it anyway. Name went through and the game popped me up into Outbreak.
That name check fucntion hasn't worked for me since the day they unveiled the new costume creator features. I'm sure it's some sort of bug.


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That name check fucntion hasn't worked for me since the day they unveiled the new costume creator features. I'm sure it's some sort of bug.
^ True. Annoyingly enough.


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I made a new tank on Freedom last week and named him Thumpbot (elec/stone). I was pretty pleased with that name.


 

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Thanks to a friends suggestion after being stuck for a name for an Ice/Ice Dom, I managed to nab Frostspite. Happy with that one.

Tbh, most of my names are either the persons name (more natural heroes), unit designations or rank (soldiers, robots)...you can get by quite easily with that. It's when you need a more 'traditional' name that you can run into some trouble.


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I had mentioned it in an off-handed manner on the VU global channels about how CO's solution to this (global names unique, local names not) would be a nice implementation, since some of them were busy whining about having issues picking names. Naturally, I got a bunch of rageouts frothing at the keyboard about how it would "suck" or be a "bad idea" or "ruin the game". For what's normally a cogent, intelligent channel, their arguments against what amounted to an uninterested side remark were remarkably pallid.

That said, I generally don't have issues with finding names, even on "bigger" servers like Virtue.


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So your argument that good names are still readily available is that you managed to get a name based on a word so obscure that neither Google nor Wikipedia were able to identify it?

There seems to be a huge disconnect between those who argue all the good names are taken, and those who counter that is not the case. When these threads pop up, those who argue that good names are not hard to get are often people who seem to favor offbeat or obscure names, and that's great for them if that's what works for them. But this is a superhero game, and many people would like a character name that sounds like a superhero -- something you could conceivably see on the cover of a comic book. These kinds of names are much more challenging to get.


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Yeah, I agree that good names are still very much available.

Just this month I've managed to snag (and on Virtue, no less) some pretty useful mythical names that you would've thought were taken 5 years ago.

Also, the good'ol trick of putting together two nouns never fails. You can get some pretty good names that way.

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But this is a superhero game, and many people would like a character name that sounds like a superhero -- something you could conceivably see on the cover of a comic book. These kinds of names are much more challenging to get.
I got the following names on Virtue, along with the aformentioned mythical ones:

Ghostlancer
Sunlancer
Captain Daystar
Hammer King

I threw back 3 of them because the character concept changed and I didn't want them anymore. Are those heroic enough for you?


 

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Good character names are running out, huh?
I guess part of this discussion is whether Cecity is, in fact, a good name.


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To me, a name isnt a great name if noone knows what the hell it means.

That said, theres plenty of good names left but I certainly dont resort to obscure variations that are never used in actual conversation. That is like an inside joke nobody else is in on... its only funny to you.


 

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I think there is a guide somewhere on the boards explaining naming techniques. I do things like frame in "x" or add a dash. So I ended up with x Keeper of Blades x after moving one of my toons to Virtue. I tend to get the name I want in one way or another.
I would never resort to this. It looks terrible IMO. You're probably not as picky as I am but periods or hyphens after or before the name (hyphens between the name is okay in some situations); framing stuff with x; using spaces in names (e.g., K E E P E R O F B L A D E S); or using ones instead of Ls are just things I wouldn't do.

Note that I use a naming convention that handicaps me even further in that most of my character names have to have two Fs in it. I've still never had much difficulty in getting names on Virtue and lately Freedom.


 

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I made a new tank on Freedom last week and named him Thumpbot (elec/stone). I was pretty pleased with that name.
Nice. I have a brute on Union called Smashmore, a name I'm particularly fond of.


 

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Personally, I'd have gone for some combination of "dark" and "vision" for a blind character. Dusksight or Midnight Vision or something (I have no idea if those are available... if not, grab 'em!). Although, really, what makes you happy is the most important thing. A character with a "meh" name for me just doesn't get played.

When I transferred some characters to Virtue, my two previous "mains" both needed name alterations. Because I had established both in my mind with their "real" names (with artwork done of them and everything), I didn't want to just make up all new names for them. So Polish Princess became Polish-Princess and Tally-Ho became Tally Ho. (with period).

I haven't really played either of them since their name changes. The magic is gone. Although I thought of a great rad/rad name last night and might rename Polish Princess into it while we still have a week left of free transfers (*cough*name changes*cough*)

Oh, back to the point of this... a name that you like it the most important thing. However, this means that a person who really wanted "Ice Dude" has legitimate disappointment even if it's inevitable.


 

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Good character names are running out, huh?
As others have indicated, this depends entirely on your definition/criteria/opinion with regards to what constitutes a good name.

Personally I have varying success with naming new alts - sometimes I can go through dozens of names and they're all taken, while for others I'm pleasantly surprised and get my first choice. But those occasions that I'm having trouble, it's not that I can't come up with anything that's not taken and fits the basic theme, it's just that I can't come up with anything I like, anything that looks/sounds the way I want it, that creates the feel I'm looking for. And on those occasions that I do settle for something I'm not entirely pleased with, it tends to nag at me the whole time I'm playing that character, usually resulting in the character being shelved mid-teens.

A "good name" is subjective, very much personal taste and preference. I know when these threads get going and people post their name lists as evidence of just how many good names are available, I rarely find (m)any among them that I'd want to use for my own characters. And I have no doubt they'd feel similarly about my own name choices.


 

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I've managed to get both Globestomper and Offworld Outlaw recently.


 

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When these threads pop up, those who argue that good names are not hard to get are often people who seem to favor offbeat or obscure names, and that's great for them if that's what works for them. But this is a superhero game, and many people would like a character name that sounds like a superhero -- something you could conceivably see on the cover of a comic book. These kinds of names are much more challenging to get.
I think I've got one name in my stable of characters that wouldn't produce anything from an internet search. Everything else is either made of real, common words, real, common names, or simple constructs that take seconds to come up with.

I mean, I got Negavulcan Airslayer. You're not gonna get more comic-booky than that unless you require something of the form [Mr./Ms./Mrs./Miss/Captain] [Descriptive noun or adjective].


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I know when these threads get going and people post their name lists as evidence of just how many good names are available, I rarely find (m)any among them that I'd want to use for my own characters.
I always get a chuckle when it turns into "proving" all the awesome names left by saying "I just got 'Carnelian Mealworm' and 'Bumplejack Velvetnose'!"


 

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Moving down the list, I found the word "cecity," which is apparently SUCH a rare word for blindness that a google search for it reveals nothing and asks me if I actually meant "city" (it does show ONE sight that has it, though)
I see what you did there Freud Dude!

Oh, and as to the rest, I agree. Those who "can't" find a suitable name simply aren't trying. Not "not trying hard enough", just "not trying".

I've only had one or two problems descriptively naming characters. But a couple minutes with a thesaurus and it was all good baby! Some of my toon names aren't even in english! If nothing else, it gives people pause and starts conversations.

Cripes, for an antisocial/asocial recluse, I'm a fairly social animal.

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I always get a chuckle when it turns into "proving" all the awesome names left by saying "I just got 'Carnelian Mealworm' and 'Bumplejack Velvetnose'!"
Are you kidding? Those are awesome names!


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A "good name" is subjective, very much personal taste and preference. I know when these threads get going and people post their name lists as evidence of just how many good names are available, I rarely find (m)any among them that I'd want to use for my own characters. And I have no doubt they'd feel similarly about my own name choices.
Good names are subjective, but when people ask for a "good" name, what they typically mean is an "obvious" name. To my mind, I picked a theme that was obvious and gave it a name that did not deviate from it or use any sort of typological trick to get around the restrictions, nor did I have to include a personal name. In essence, I picked a theme name and I got a theme name. Short of getting EXACTLY the EXACT name I want EXACTLY, I don't see a better outcome as even possible. I wanted "Blindness" and I got "another word for Blindness." If that's not enough, then I judge that to be asking too much.

As for whether "Cecity" is a good name, I can say two things. One, I like it, and since it's my character, that's all that really matters. Two, it's a name not unlike what I'd expect to see on a comic book cover, and certainly not any more strange than, for instance, "Jubilee," which is a word I have still yet to see used in colloquial language AT ALL, and is a word that I, to this day, do not know the exact meaning of (not least of all because no-one ever uses it as a word).

When it comes to meaning, yes, it is an obscure word that most people wouldn't know the meaning to offhand. So? How many people know what the name of Parallax means? I certainly didn't until I heard the word off somewhere, looked it up online and did a not insignificant amount of research, part of which is documented here on the forums. That doesn't stop it from being a good name. Here's another one: How many of you can tell me the significance of D: Bloodlust villainess Carmilla? How many, without googling it?

And as far as it possibly being a silly name because of how it sounds... I guess. Then again, Linkara brings us the "Dunkelkinder" from his Scarlett #1 review, and I just so happen to be aware of a powerful villainess called Granny Goodness. And, of course, need I mention Green Lantern? Whether or not the character himself is cool, that is an incredibly goofy name. It may be cool within context, but then I've given no context to my character, so you guys can't really know if it makes up for it, can you?

Point is, in any objective way I can measure this, it measures up. People don't have to like that one specific name, but the point remains that the process by which I found it can produce others, potentially more appealing names to the people searching. And I'm not talking about compromising by going real name (say, like my own namesake) or made-up words (like my own Morten). I'm talking about real words, admittedly with a somewhat obscure meaning, used in a context not entirely different from that of established famous comic book characters.


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So your argument that good names are still readily available is that you managed to get a name based on a word so obscure that neither Google nor Wikipedia were able to identify it?

There seems to be a huge disconnect between those who argue all the good names are taken, and those who counter that is not the case. When these threads pop up, those who argue that good names are not hard to get are often people who seem to favor offbeat or obscure names, and that's great for them if that's what works for them. But this is a superhero game, and many people would like a character name that sounds like a superhero -- something you could conceivably see on the cover of a comic book. These kinds of names are much more challenging to get.
The thing is, you need to be more willing to go with alternate names.

If all you're looking for is settling for ONE name, especially a fairly COMMON one with frequently used descriptive terms, you're boned. Period. Chances are usually good that someone else has had the same idea, but sooner.

Willingness to be flexible in naming will usually yield a more interesting name.



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To me, a name isnt a great name if noone knows what the hell it means.
They can LEARN what it means. This shows they care enough to actually look it up.

Case in point. My warshade. Inion Iomlain Gealai.
It's very poor Gaelic for "Daughter of Darkness"

I get lots of tells "God! What a mouthful! What's it mean?"



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I would never resort to this. It looks terrible IMO. You're probably not as picky as I am but periods or hyphens after or before the name (hyphens between the name is okay in some situations); framing stuff with x; using spaces in names (e.g., K E E P E R O F B L A D E S); or using ones instead of Ls are just things I wouldn't do.

Note that I use a naming convention that handicaps me even further in that most of my character names have to have two Fs in it. I've still never had much difficulty in getting names on Virtue and lately Freedom.
Not my favorite thing to do, but it is better than changing what I am going for completely. Also Keeper was my main for years, he was moved so he would not get ignored on the server I rarely use. Part of my fun came from the character's name, if I can keep that by framing the name, I will.


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