Thanks for the clarification Posi 
Lots of interesting stuff coming out of Hero Con, just trying absorb it all after being offline most of the weekend.
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Ok what about this, when you first create the character and choose the archtype are you still stuck starting as villain if you are villain AT. Like will it be possible to start as a brute in paragon but be fully Hero and never have to go thru all those extra hoops? That to me is whats going to make or break the system. Either way it goes you guys need to reconsider the thing on not merging the markets because its going to come back to bite you in the butt at a later time. Mark my words.
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Originally Posted by Positron
With so much info being laid out so quickly at HeroCon, I figured I'd take an opportunity to clarify a lot of confusing points. My apologies for not being more clear when we first explained them.
Pretty sure that covers the info we gave out, including clarifying answers we gave on various panels over the weekend, and answers to specific questions we were asked by players. |
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Just in case someone gets confused by that last point:
A Vigilante can travel to the Rogue Isles, and can team up with the Villains there. They can not use the markets while they are there however. They must be a full Villain to use the markets.
A Rogue can travel to Paragon City, and can team up with the Heroes there. They can not use the markets while they are there however. They must be a full Hero to use the markets.
Vigilantes can still use Wentworths. Rogues can still use the Black Market.
/end clarity rewrite and please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Followup question: What market will Praetorians use when they are starting the game in Praetoria for 20 levels?
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I think this is the big question. (And possibly one the devs aren't even sure about the answer to either) Do the Preatorians get a third market? Do they have access to both? Does it depend on their alignment? (Loyalists access the Black Market and Resistance Wentworths? With maybe random which one you can access when you start?) |
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Followup question: What market will Praetorians use when they are starting the game in Praetoria for 20 levels?
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Preatorians seem to be able to move freely between all three worlds no matter what, so their becoming a "Hero" or "Villain" may refer only to what missions they can access. This makes me wonder about something, though, it says Preatorians can "choose" which they want to be and it dumps them in the given world. Does that mean the portals that connects the worlds all connect to both Paragon City and the Rogue Isles? Or are the portals in separate places? (Like Pocket D and RWZ) It seems like it would be the other way around, the Preatorian would choose the Paragon City gate, and it would make him a Hero when he passed through.
I think we're also interested in who can trade with who. Can Vigilantes give Inspirations to Rogues and Preatorians? Can heroes trade with Vigilantes? (Since they share the same Market) What about Preatorians?
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From what I remember, when you create a new character you can start as a "Hero", a "Villain", or a "Praetorian". You can create any of the 10 core ATs as Praetorians (not EATs) and they will go through 1-20 content in Praetoria where they will eventually choose their side and come to Paragon/the Rogue Isles as Rogues or Vigilantes. |
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Ok what about this, when you first create the character and choose the archtype are you still stuck starting as villain if you are villain AT. Like will it be possible to start as a brute in paragon but be fully Hero and never have to go thru all those extra hoops? That to me is whats going to make or break the system. Either way it goes you guys need to reconsider the thing on not merging the markets because its going to come back to bite you in the butt at a later time. Mark my words.
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So, you could create a brute Praetorian and take them along the redeeming path to being a hero, without ever visiting the Rogue Isles. You could not, however, create a hero brute that would start in Paragon without ever going to Praetoria.
Edited to add: existing EATs would be able to switch sides if they are above X level (not yet disclosed) and go through a series of moral choice missions.
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I could have sworn Posi said at the 'what if?' panel that there would be a market in Praetoria, and probably two (implying a WW and BM presence).
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Followup question: What market will Praetorians use when they are starting the game in Praetoria for 20 levels?
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And it looks like, although this could be clarified, that the Preatorian Brute WOULD still have access to the Rogue Isles, even if he never chose to go there. Unlike a Villain who went Hero, he would not be cut off from one of the three areas.
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Originally Posted by FreckledAvenger
You could not, however, create a hero brute that would start in Paragon without ever going to Praetoria.
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Either way it goes you guys need to reconsider the thing on not merging the markets because its going to come back to bite you in the butt at a later time. Mark my words.
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Sigh. I wish they'd just merge the markets already.
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Originally Posted by FreckledAvenger
I could have sworn Posi said at the 'what if?' panel that there would be a market in Praetoria, and probably two (implying a WW and BM presence).
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AFAIK this was not covered at Hero Con, but what happens when a rogue or vigilante enters a PvP zone?|
Originally Posted by Positron
With so much info being laid out so quickly at HeroCon, I figured I'd take an opportunity to clarify a lot of confusing points. My apologies for not being more clear when we first explained them.
Pretty sure that covers the info we gave out, including clarifying answers we gave on various panels over the weekend, and answers to specific questions we were asked by players. |
Since it sounds like those in the grey area can run content for both factions, do you decide which faction to align with when entering a faction-aligned PvP zone, or do rogues and vigilantes just go all Warburg in all the PvP zones?
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First of all, thank you for coming on and clarifying a few things for us. However, I still have a question. You keep mentioning that rogues and vigilantes will be able to team up. But will they be able to have their own missions on the opposing side, or will they be totally at the mercy of team leaders? Or...will some mission contacts be available, and some not?
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I may be misinterpreting this, but it seems like Heroes and Vigilantes will have Paragon City contacts, and Villains and Rogues will have Rogue Isles contacts. Preatorians will have their own contacts until level 20, then they may either have contacts within their faction, or travel to either Paragon City or the Rogue Isles to get more contacts. |
Originally Posted by Chris_Zuercher
Or...will some mission contacts be available, and some not?
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Or, will Preatorians have access to Hero AND Villain contacts from the start? (i.e., deciding to become a "Hero" or "Villain" when going to Primal Earth. Or is that a one-time deal. Preatorians run through Outbreak or Breakout when they leave Preatorian Earth for the first time? Am I reading too much into this here?)
My question is, can we have characters who STAY as vigilantes/rogues? I have some I'd like to do that with, and if I had to keep going through hoops to adjust their morality to the "grey" area, I'd be a little annoyed about that (but I absolutely would do it). It'd be nice, however, if we can pick the rate of conversion (and even stop - NOT reverse - it).
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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How about inspirations? Can those be traded freely to any player on the team now? One of the WORST mechanical problems I experience on mixed teams is trying to pass wakies (or enough insps to make a wakie) among members of the team.
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Originally Posted by Positron
With so much info being laid out so quickly at HeroCon, I figured I'd take an opportunity to clarify a lot of confusing points. My apologies for not being more clear when we first explained them.
Pretty sure that covers the info we gave out, including clarifying answers we gave on various panels over the weekend, and answers to specific questions we were asked by players. |
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Once a Praetorian chooses a side to go to at lvl 20, they become either a Hero or Villain. If you picked Hero, you'd have to do the same content as a "born in Paragon" hero if you wanted to go visit the Rogue Isles later.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
And it looks like, although this could be clarified, that the Preatorian Brute WOULD still have access to the Rogue Isles, even if he never chose to go there. Unlike a Villain who went Hero, he would not be cut off from one of the three areas.
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Ok, so. If I'm one of the gray options(Rogue/Vigilante)... Why would I bother going over efully?
I mean, the markets are more or less the same(Selling the same stuff, not quantity). And if that's the only difference then why wouldn't I stick near the middle and enjoy both side's content?
UNLESS there's more? Oh please tell me there's more.
I would love to see something like... the PPD attacking Vigilantes?
Maybe contacts on the one side don't talk to you? At least the pure evil/Boyscout guys. Only the "gray" contacts will deal with you? Maybe some new contacts get scattered about the zones with some "gray" content.
What I'm saying is... If market accessibility is the only thing that differs Rogues from Vigilantes... Why be anything other then a Vigilante(For the hero market)?
If you're a Hero or Villain, when compared to the new options. The only difference is you can't team with as many people or see as much content.
Doesn't that make the new options vastly superior to the old?
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Having separate markets since they were added to the game hasn't "bitten them in the butt" yet. What makes you think that would happen now?
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Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
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I am assuming that this is the case, where "grey" characters can visit the other side, and team with people there, they cannot get contacts or do missions of their own there. Which is frankly fine with me. I'm more interested in "visiting" anyways.
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Originally Posted by SDragon
Maybe contacts on the one side don't talk to you? At least the pure evil/Boyscout guys.
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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You won't be able to make a Brute a Hero from level 1 in Paragon City - but you can make "neutral" Brutes by starting in the new tutorial and low level content areas in Praetoria - which will eventually give you the option of becoming a Hero or a Villain when you get to leave Praetoria and either go to Paragon City or the Rogue Isles.|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Ok what about this, when you first create the character and choose the archtype are you still stuck starting as villain if you are villain AT. Like will it be possible to start as a brute in paragon but be fully Hero and never have to go thru all those extra hoops?
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So you won't see low level Brutes running around in Atlas Park doing the missions from City Hall, but you will see higher level brutes who have switched sides hanging out there with all the other high level Heroes.
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I believe he said Vigilantes can trade inspirations with Villains during the con.
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
How about inspirations? Can those be traded freely to any player on the team now? One of the WORST mechanical problems I experience on mixed teams is trying to pass wakies (or enough insps to make a wakie) among members of the team.
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And by "visiting" you mean buying cheap at WW and then going and selling for a profit to deperate Villains? |
Originally Posted by Smurch
I am assuming that this is the case, where "grey" characters can visit the other side, and team with people there, they cannot get contacts or do missions of their own there. Which is frankly fine with me. I'm more interested in "visiting" anyways.
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Quick question.
If one does decide to fully travel the path to the other side, what happens to their SG status?
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The closest you can have to a hero brute is start a new character as Praetorian, slect Brute Archetype. Join the resisitance and select Hero at (or before) level 20 and you have access to Paragon City. Don't do bad stuff and stay a hero 
Staying "gray" probably means when you go to the other side that you cannot do missions there, unless you get in a team doing that particular arc, etc. You probably wont be able to flashback too since a Vigilante would go to the blue side Ouroboros, and a Rogue will go to the red side Ouroboros.
In PvP zones, I would also guess they are still considered Hero for vigilantes, and villain for rogues. That is unles there is more, like all the Spy stuff that was mentionned in the surver of 1+ year ago.
As for the buying cheap at WW, and selling high on BM, I don't think that will be done easily. It is not a "light switch" and has comsequences. To sell on the other side, you have to make a complete shift (hero to villain, or vice versa). I think it was mentionned you lose all your Inf if you make a complete switch. You will probably be booted out of your SG/VG. Making a full switch might be several redeeming/corrupting missions or arcs and while Posi said you can swtich to the other side as much as you want, itmight be more time consuming if you switch often in a short period. Roleplay wise. people giving you missions would not trust you too much etc, etc...
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1) And if you pick Hero, you are locked out of the Rogue Isles?|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Once a Praetorian chooses a side to go to at lvl 20, they become either a Hero or Villain. If you picked Hero, you'd have to do the same content as a "born in Paragon" hero if you wanted to go visit the Rogue Isles later.
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2) It is impossible for a Preatorian to go to either Paragon City or the Rogue Isles prior to level 20?
With so much info being laid out so quickly at HeroCon, I figured I'd take an opportunity to clarify a lot of confusing points. My apologies for not being more clear when we first explained them.
Pretty sure that covers the info we gave out, including clarifying answers we gave on various panels over the weekend, and answers to specific questions we were asked by players.
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