Going Rogue clarifications


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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon View Post
The primary division seems to be the one that is common to Rogues, Vigilantes and Preatorians, that they have access to all three areas, as distinguished from those who can only access Praetoria and Paragon City, or only Praetoria and the Rogue Isles. The question is, when a Preatorian goes to either Paragon City or the Rogue Isles, is that decision a permanent choice, until changed by the alignment system, or can the Praetorian continue to enter all three zones?
A Praetorian doesn't have access to the three areas. They only have access to Praetoria only. They have to decide if they are heroes or villains to know where they will enter on Primal Earth (Paragon City OR Rogue Isles). At that point, if you want to be able to go to the three areas, you have to go Rogue or Villain like for any character. It's all the same system.


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A Praetorian doesn't have access to the three areas.
So the statement that Praetorians can access all three areas was incorrect? I see that this post has been edited.


 

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So the statement that Praetorians can access all three areas was incorrect? I see that this post has been edited.
Yeah, Orion Star is making a good job with that post, and updating it with new information.


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Yeah, Orion Star is making a good job with that post, and updating it with new information.
So in essense if I want to create a Villain AT as a Hero, I can create him in Preatoria, then choose to take him to Paragon City. I cannot create a Villain AT as neutral, however, neither a hero nor a villain, and I have to choose one side and then go back towards the grey.

Do Preatorians use the normal GR system when not on Preatorian Earth, and their own Loyalist/Resistance factions at home?


 

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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon View Post
I think this is the big question. (And possibly one the devs aren't even sure about the answer to either) Do the Preatorians get a third market? Do they have access to both? Does it depend on their alignment? (Loyalists access the Black Market and Resistance Wentworths? With maybe random which one you can access when you start?)

Preatorians seem to be able to move freely between all three worlds no matter what, so their becoming a "Hero" or "Villain" may refer only to what missions they can access. This makes me wonder about something, though, it says Preatorians can "choose" which they want to be and it dumps them in the given world. Does that mean the portals that connects the worlds all connect to both Paragon City and the Rogue Isles? Or are the portals in separate places? (Like Pocket D and RWZ) It seems like it would be the other way around, the Preatorian would choose the Paragon City gate, and it would make him a Hero when he passed through.

I think we're also interested in who can trade with who. Can Vigilantes give Inspirations to Rogues and Preatorians? Can heroes trade with Vigilantes? (Since they share the same Market) What about Preatorians?
Posittron said there will (probably) be both markets in Praetoria they have some sort of cross dimensional trading ability.

Praetorian PC's will have to make a choice before traveling to Primal Earth: Hero or Villain. At that point they are what they picked and are treated like any Primal Earth PC of that alignment.

And Positron said no trading between alignments except for inspirations (A nice new QoL change as well).


 

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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon View Post
So in essense if I want to create a Villain AT as a Hero, I can create him in Preatoria, then choose to take him to Paragon City. I cannot create a Villain AT as neutral, however, neither a hero nor a villain, and I have to choose one side and then go back towards the grey.

Do Preatorians use the normal GR system when not on Preatorian Earth, and their own Loyalist/Resistance factions at home?
If you want to play a Villain in Paragon City, you can...

1) A Villain who become a Rogue. You then have access to Rogue Isles and Paragon City. You still get Infamy, must use Black Market.

2) A Villain who become a Rogue who become a Hero (Redeemed Villain). You are then technically a Hero with only access to Paragon City. You then earn Influence and can use WW.

3) A Praetorian with a Villain archetype. You decide to become a Hero so therefore you go to Paragon City when you go to Primal Earth.

4) A Praetorian with a Villain archetype. You decide to become a Villain so therefore you go to the Rogue Isles when you go to Primal Earth. You then become a Rogue. You then have access to Rogue Isles and Paragon City.

5) A Praetorian with a Villain archetype. You decide to become a Villains so therefore you go to the Rogue Isles when you go to Primal Earth. You then become a Rogue, and then a Hero (Redeemded Villain). You're technically a Hero with only access to Paragon City and not Rogue Isles.

6) Any other paths you decide to use, you can play the yo-yo from hero to villain as much as you want. It remains to be seen what effects on characters will happen if you change often, or if you dont change at all (i.e. exemplary heroes).

Praetoria is not mentionned for any of the paths above becasue no matter what, all the characters will have access to Praetoria so they can do redeeming and corrupting arcs to change their moralities.


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My question is, can we have characters who STAY as vigilantes/rogues? I have some I'd like to do that with, and if I had to keep going through hoops to adjust their morality to the "grey" area, I'd be a little annoyed about that (but I absolutely would do it). It'd be nice, however, if we can pick the rate of conversion (and even stop - NOT reverse - it).
You should be able to stay a Vigilante or Rogue. It's an entire process your have to go through before your flip alignments. I assume if you don't finish the process, you can stay in mid-conversion indefinitely.


 

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Quick question.

If one does decide to fully travel the path to the other side, what happens to their SG status?
According to Positron, that's still being worked on. They want a solution to please an many players as much as possible. (Not the exact quote, but close enough, I think)


 

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So there is no implied benefit to remaining a 'pure' hero or villain, or there is no detriment for a hero to go (and stay) vigilante or a villain to remain rogue?

Just wondering if there is any incentive for someone to remain in their faction silo other than for RP purposes.
They mentioned in one the panels about looking to add rewards for characters who remain true to their original alignment.


 

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With so much info being laid out so quickly at HeroCon, I figured I'd take an opportunity to clarify a lot of confusing points. My apologies for not being more clear when we first explained them.
  • Heroes can become Vigilantes which can then become Villains
  • Villains can become Rogues which can then become Heroes
  • Thus the circle is Hero->Vigilante->Villain->Rogue->Hero
  • This system is usable by any character over X level (X is a number which has yet to be disclosed). It is not "just for Praetorians".
  • A Hero can go all the way to Villain and then back to Hero again, if they put in enough effort.
  • Praetorians do not use the normal GR system, but have points within their stories where they can choose "Loyalist (aka Villain)" or "Resistance (aka Hero)"
  • When Praetorians leave Praetoria for Primal Earth, they choose if they want to be considered a Hero or a Villain, and are plopped into Paragon or the Rogue Isles.
  • A Vigilante (Rogue) can travel to the Rogue Isles (Paragon City), and can team up with the Villains (Heroes) there. They can not use the markets while they are there however. They must be a full Villain (Hero) to use the markets.

Pretty sure that covers the info we gave out, including clarifying answers we gave on various panels over the weekend, and answers to specific questions we were asked by players.
Alright, but lets say i am a rogue and I am on a team with heroes in PI. THen I die in a mission, can my hero team members hand me a wakie?

IF so that would rock if not i'll be sure to stock up before I head over there lol

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A Vigilante (Rogue) can travel to the Rogue Isles (Paragon City), and can team up with the Villains (Heroes) there. They can not use the markets while they are there however. They must be a full Villain (Hero) to use the markets.
Does this mean vigilante/rogue cannot even use their original Market? (vigilantes can't use WW, rogues can't use BM?) If so, it really detracts from the gaming experience to go rogue.


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From what I understand, vigilantes and rogues use their original market, until such time as they fully change sides.

I'm kind of hoping there's some option to do this without a trip all the way back to the other side. A black market tucked away a few places in Paragon would be nice, as would a WW in some of the more upscale parts of the RI.


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Originally Posted by Positron View Post
With so much info being laid out so quickly at HeroCon, I figured I'd take an opportunity to clarify a lot of confusing points. My apologies for not being more clear when we first explained them.
  • Heroes can become Vigilantes which can then become Villains
  • Villains can become Rogues which can then become Heroes
  • Thus the circle is Hero->Vigilante->Villain->Rogue->Hero
  • This system is usable by any character over X level (X is a number which has yet to be disclosed). It is not "just for Praetorians".
  • A Hero can go all the way to Villain and then back to Hero again, if they put in enough effort.
  • Praetorians do not use the normal GR system, but have points within their stories where they can choose "Loyalist (aka Villain)" or "Resistance (aka Hero)"
  • When Praetorians leave Praetoria for Primal Earth, they choose if they want to be considered a Hero or a Villain, and are plopped into Paragon or the Rogue Isles.
  • A Vigilante (Rogue) can travel to the Rogue Isles (Paragon City), and can team up with the Villains (Heroes) there. They can not use the markets while they are there however. They must be a full Villain (Hero) to use the markets.

Pretty sure that covers the info we gave out, including clarifying answers we gave on various panels over the weekend, and answers to specific questions we were asked by players.
Cool - but who can the 'greys' (vigilante/rogue) trade with? Not being able to trade on mixed teams BLOWS.


 

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what I want to know is how this is going to affect us badgers


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2) It is impossible for a Preatorian to go to either Paragon City or the Rogue Isles prior to level 20?
I think the answer is probably "no, they can't" - if you join Tyrant, he'll probably want proof of your abilities and loyalty before sending you to another dimension, and the same probably goes for the Resistance.
Both sides might send recruits to Primal Earth for different reasons - Tyrant might want scouts and spies there to prepare for his invasion, and the Resistance might want to send people there to try and get help, and to warn about Tyrant.

So I think there will be 2 or 3 low level Praetorian zones that will take you up to 20, and then you'll be able to head to Paragon City or the Rogue Isles, depending on the choices you've made during the 1-20 content.


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what I want to know is how this is going to affect us badgers
Before Hero Con, Positron mentioend that you'll get to keep your badges, even if you switch sides - and I haven't heard about any change to that since then.


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well thats the 1000+ badges barrier truly broken then lol

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Alright, but lets say i am a rogue and I am on a team with heroes in PI. THen I die in a mission, can my hero team members hand me a wakie?
It looks like yes they can:

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And Positron said no trading between alignments except for inspirations (A nice new QoL change as well).


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It hasnt exactly helped them either, and I think its one of the things that is artificially suppressing villain population is the weak villain market.
The market has never entered into my decision making to play any AT.

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Since it has access to both zone sets and the hero market, since the hero market is so much healthier.
Healthier? My most accomplished marketer may be a villain, but I have no problems making inf in exactly the same way doing the same things either side.

I just don't understand this "merge the markets" noise.


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Healthier? My most accomplished marketer may be a villain, but I have no problems making inf in exactly the same way doing the same things either side.

I just don't understand this "merge the markets" noise.
Well, at least as I see it, the problem is that there's a paucity of goods to buy villainside regardless of how much infamy you have. Maybe they need to add a "Raid Wentworth's for Recipes" SF if they aren't going to merge the markets.


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If I'm a hero that goes vigilante, and travels to the Rogue isles, will I still be in my SG, or do I get kicked out for going vigilante?


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Me what I want to know is....

Will Assault Rifle be able to use different types of Ammo that Dual Pistols will be able to use?

Will Thug Masterminds who already have a version of Dual Pistols also have this option?


 

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  • Express my love for the Dual Pistols set
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Please don't tell me Dual Pistol powerset won't come before GR
Can't wait 6-7 months for that.
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Me what I want to know is....

Will Assault Rifle be able to use different types of Ammo that Dual Pistols will be able to use?

Will Thug Masterminds who already have a version of Dual Pistols also have this option?
Highly unlikely, I'd think. No more than Broadsword and Katana got combos like Dual Blades after DB was introduced. And where would they stick the "Reload" power?


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Posittron said there will (probably) be both markets in Praetoria they have some sort of cross dimensional trading ability.
Does anyone else think that this makes even LESS sense than merging the real world markets and have Praetoria have its own market?

I love this game. I love 90% of what it offers and how it functions, but this split-market idiocy has to go away.


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