Reduced XP for Freakshow now
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Posted on: 2009-08-28 14:47 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Nothing to see here...just another example of how farming never effects regular game play.
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farmers didn't define freakshow XP, the devs did.|
Originally Posted by Xyzyx
Nothing to see here...just another example of how farming never effects regular game play.
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You mean, people were forced to farm Freakshow missions, because the evil devs gave them a too high xp modifier so that the only possibility to stop the abuse of Freakshow missions was to drastically reduce the rewards?
Yeah, that makes sense.
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The word "blaming" suggests that they did something wrong here. The risk/reward ratio for Freaks has been off for quite a while, and this is definitely an easier solution than making them more dangerous. What you see as persecuting an "innocent" segment of the player population, I see as fixing design flaws.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
farmers didn't define freakshow XP, the devs did.
If you insist on blaming someone, pick the right group. |
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I never really got why the Freakshow gave out more experience than other groups. They're not really any tougher than other groups. In fact, they've always been easier for me since my characters tend to deal energy damage.
I would much rather fight Freakshow than Vahz or Arachnos.
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IIRC, the major explanation for it was that the Freakshow have the annoying tendency to stick around after being defeated, which can be a problem for a number of builds (particularly when a Boss gets back up) or small groups.|
Originally Posted by MrQuizzles
I never really got why the Freakshow gave out more experience than other groups. They're not really any tougher than other groups. In fact, they've always been easier for me since my characters tend to deal energy damage.
I would much rather fight Freakshow than Vahz or Arachnos. |
Personally, I think the fact that you get double defeat credit for the Freakshow was gift enough. :/
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Yeah, I would have figured the double XP would have been appropriate compensation... Freakshow are pretty mild as far as difficulty goes.
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Originally Posted by YuriFoxfirega
IIRC, the major explanation for it was that the Freakshow have the annoying tendency to stick around after being defeated, which can be a problem for a number of builds (particularly when a Boss gets back up) or small groups.
Personally, I think the fact that you get double defeat credit for the Freakshow was gift enough. :/ |
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
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I agree the bonus XP was out of line. But I think lowering it to 80% is perhaps too much. Although when you compare them to several other late-game groups, I guess I can see the reasoning. |
Originally Posted by MrQuizzles
I never really got why the Freakshow gave out more experience than other groups. They're not really any tougher than other groups. In fact, they've always been easier for me since my characters tend to deal energy damage.
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So: let's start a pool for how long it's going to take for Council (and I guess 5th Column) to get hit with a similar XP reduction.
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I'm no kind of numbers guy, but isn't the Council already one of the lowest anyway?
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Originally Posted by Sardan
I agree the bonus XP was out of line. But I think lowering it to 80% is perhaps too much. Although when you compare them to several other late-game groups, I guess I can see the reasoning.
So: let's start a pool for how long it's going to take for Council (and I guess 5th Column) to get hit with a similar XP reduction. |
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I had always guessed it was related to their abundant use of dull pain, causing them to (usually) require more damage to kill regardless of damage type used.
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Originally Posted by MrQuizzles
I never really got why the Freakshow gave out more experience than other groups.
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Wait, how does that make them scale? Did they make them lower than ordinary enemy groups? Because I agree, they don't deserve to award higher rewards, being that they don't have any real resistances and already award experience twice if killed twice. But I'm not sure I agree they should award LESS experience than other enemies, say the Council, who are practically pushovers for the most part, or the Sky Raiders, who are more annoying than difficult.
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I always thought it was just the fact that you get twice the XP from one enemy when they rez themselves that made them popular choices for farming. My solution would have been to have them and other rezzing foes just not give XP for a period of time after rezzing, as an equivalent to how players are immune to getting XP debt for a period of time after a rez. But I suppose this works, too, and there might be reasons other than what I mentioned for reducing their XP rewards than compensating for their self-rezzing abilities.
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'dats about where i see it too. freaks give to much reward, just reduce the reward. they still give reasonable rewards.
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Originally Posted by Eisenzahn
The word "blaming" suggests that they did something wrong here. The risk/reward ratio for Freaks has been off for quite a while, and this is definitely an easier solution than making them more dangerous. What you see as persecuting an "innocent" segment of the player population, I see as fixing design flaws.
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hey... everyone in here dumping on Xyzyx for his statement...
Please carry on.
As to the change in XP, it's been a long time coming. No surprise there.
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They should have limited the minion and lieutenant 0.8 modifier to the 40+ freaks, and given everything below that a 1.0 modifier. They still hit hard, and at lower levels they're more dangerous than a lot of other groups.
As far as overnerfs go though, this one is minor.
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I had no idea freaks gave better rewards. I farmed them at times because they were more fun for me, and looked cool.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
hey... everyone in here dumping on Xyzyx for his statement...
Please carry on. As to the change in XP, it's been a long time coming. No surprise there. |
I think I got my farming license revoked.
Oh well, I farm redside anyway. There aren't many freaks to farm in the 50's there.
I actually never new they gave more XP.
Enjoy your day please.
.8 is a little harsh for a group that gives themselves dull pain and can Rez (Freaks can be a pretty big pain in the 20's as well) but agreed that the reduction was a long time coming....are there any groups left that actually give higher than standard xp? I'm thinking everything in the shadow shard should at least be double.
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just another example how the devs nerf things then in a year raise the xp to lvl faster good jobs!
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The devs don't like outliers. Pretty simple concept, really.
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Originally Posted by Coldmed
just another example how the devs nerf things then in a year raise the xp to lvl faster good jobs!
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Just another example of why you really need to use sensible sentence construction or you come across as a word salad-shooter.
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Originally Posted by Coldmed
just another example how the devs nerf things then in a year raise the xp to lvl faster good jobs!
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
Just another example of why you really need to use sensible sentence construction or you come across as a word salad-shooter.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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