Personally I think the main reason you haven't seen Ice Armour for Brutes is simply that NRG Aura was / is too similiar in how it works and may have been originally "Ice Armour for villains" when it was being designed.
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Edit: yeah, looks like the -recharge is unenhanceable. What I was thinking of was the -recharges stacked up. Either way, when CoV was in beta, Ice/Ice underperformed. I have a feeling each part underperformed enough to pull Ice altogether. As has already been stated, under the new mechanics, Ice should be solid all around. |
Originally Posted by GuessWhosBack
Deth I dont think you can slot for -recharge effects in ice. Slows will slow movement of mobs like quicksand or tarpatch. Not -recharge of attacks. That is unenhanceable iirc.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax
Personally I think the main reason you haven't seen Ice Armour for Brutes is simply that NRG Aura was / is too similiar in how it works and may have been originally "Ice Armour for villains" when it was being designed.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
I just want Ice Armor on brutes or scrappers so I can play it without wanting to scream. I like Ice Armor; I hate tanks.
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We'll get ice eventually. The devs making the decisions on proliferation know quite well that the anti-fury argument holds no water at all.
Oh yea... to the OP... lolclaws? 240DPS is lol worthy?
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Energy transfer slows fury....|
Originally Posted by New Dawn
Ice slows enemy attack rates down and so is not much good for fury building.
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i think if the player wants ice/ or /ice they should be able to. every set has its drawbacks. why not let a brute choose a set he wants to play as a brute? tankers and scrappers both get elec...
i'd really like to see regen on a brute though
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"NRG Aura" doesnt hold a candle to ice armor. hoarfrost and hibernate makes ice last so much longer than energy drain.. and that Overload makes you run for cover when or before it drops.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax
Personally I think the main reason you haven't seen Ice Armour for Brutes is simply that NRG Aura was / is too similiar in how it works and may have been originally "Ice Armour for villains" when it was being designed.
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Unless you pop a respite during the crash, your toggles stay up, you hit CP then ED and keep on trucking without issue.
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Originally Posted by wasabivirus
"NRG Aura" doesnt hold a candle to ice armor. hoarfrost and hibernate makes ice last so much longer than energy drain.. and that Overload makes you run for cover when or before it drops.
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or not use any insp. as ice armor and keep on trucking without issue =)
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Unless you pop a respite during the crash, your toggles stay up, you hit CP then ED and keep on trucking without issue.
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Originally Posted by wasabivirus
or not use any insp. as ice armor and keep on trucking without issue =)
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Bill speaks the truth. I tested this. Hibernate = -100% damage (for the lols). oh and your fury would slowly drain while hibernating. infact, it would drain faster, just like it does while you rest.
Hibernate = Bad for Brutes
Whining about everything since 2006.
Ammo switching for Dual Pistols was my idea:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135484
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and the change to Energy Transfer doesnt make fury drop too?|
Originally Posted by Vel_Overload
Bill speaks the truth. I tested this. Hibernate = -100% damage (for the lols). oh and your fury would slowly drain while hibernating. infact, it would drain faster, just like it does while you rest.
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who cares if hibernate drops fury. other things drop fury. just gives us what we want- Ice Armor. and the regen set would be nice too
I want ice armor as well. Claws/Ice would be groovy. Specially with blue tinted talsorian claws.
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Proliferation = Good for Brutes as well as all other classes
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Originally Posted by Vel_Overload
Bill speaks the truth. I tested this. Hibernate = -100% damage (for the lols). oh and your fury would slowly drain while hibernating. infact, it would drain faster, just like it does while you rest.
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You can't build fury in hibernate? Wouldn't you still get some fury from them trying to hit you? or no? Either way give me Ice/Ice plz i don't care lol.
Hmm... I think I'd roll an Ice/Shield brute, if I could.
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You would. And solo it wouldn't be a problem. But on teams you'll lose aggro quickly while you hibernate.
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Originally Posted by Negate
You can't build fury in hibernate? Wouldn't you still get some fury from them trying to hit you? or no? Either way give me Ice/Ice plz i don't care lol.
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Hmm, do you still gain Fury when Phased? With all my experience I don't know that answer. I would assume you would since the enemy is still trying to attack you but you never know if Phase (hibernate) prevents Fury from building.
Quick, someone copy to test and respec into Phase!
Something I haven't seen brought up in this thread yet: when Ice Melee was first given to Brutes, Frozen Aura had not been fixed yet.
Ice Melee was still crap back then. Frost wasn't buffed, and Frozen Aura was still the pitiful sleep that it was. It wasn't until well after I6 that the set got buffed. Before the buffs, Ice Melee would have been a pitiful set on Brutes. Now, it might be okay. Not great, but okay, even with the -recharge (which shouldn't interfere more than other sets, as many of you are saying). But before, it WAS a bad set for Brutes. Bad single-target damage, and horrible AoE potential does not a good Brute set make.
I still think that the low damage was a more major factor for dropping it than the -recharge was, although that didn't help with the beta version of fury.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Hmm, do you still gain Fury when Phased?
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My new Claws/ brute seems to build fury much easier and faster than other brutes I've played. Maybe the math doesn't support it, or I'm fooling myself, but for my playstyle, it finally makes Brutes playable for me.
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Low cast times. You can build fury very quickly with claws.
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Originally Posted by GreenBone
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My new Claws/ brute seems to build fury much easier and faster than other brutes I've played. Maybe the math doesn't support it, or I'm fooling myself, but for my playstyle, it finally makes Brutes playable for me. |
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With Frozen Fists and Ice Sword one can build fury fast as well. I have yet to lvl up Hibernate but I know even on a Tank you loose aggro not fury but aggro...it's like Aett said...we are all debating about what times of old...I think now it will be no big deal.
In short, what Dev do I have to sleep with to get Ice Melee Proliferated to Brutes or Stalkers and Pushed for as soon as Going Rogue? (Considering any of the Devs swing that way or if there's any lady Devs) Come on now...Don't be shy!
+1.
I too, would enjoy an Ice/Ice Brute. I occasionally try to roll one up as a Tank, but then remember...I think the devs would be hard-pressed to put together an AT as mind-searingly boring as the Tanker.
-SC
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i was waiting 4 an ice ice brute but it didnt happen i have also been wanting spines on a brute
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Originally Posted by Artic_Chill_44
Why is it that brutes dont get ice/ice , why gets lol claws
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Deth I dont think you can slot for -recharge effects in ice. Slows will slow movement of mobs like quicksand or tarpatch. Not -recharge of attacks. That is unenhanceable iirc.