I thinks stalkers should get it as well. Brutes and Stalkers.
Brutes, Scrappers and Stalkers, absolutely.
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Would rather see spines. Ice armor with brute numbers is not that impressive.
It's very unlikely they would port spines to brutes. That set has so much going on...I know many times over Posi wanted to do something with the set but he didn't in fear of a riot lol. Ice.Ice is more likely to get ported over than Spines I think.
I'm too lazy to search for the quote, but unless there is a change in thinking, porting power sets is done via Posi at a show. I still say for /ice the devs just could of added a RttC type effect that raised fury.
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Of course the stun aura in dark armor does exactly the same thing, only moreso. Ice only slows attacks. A stunned enemy stops attacking entirely.
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Originally Posted by Godlike_NA
-rech in ice armor breaks fury. it was tested and proven in beta and thusly removed.
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I really wish people would stop perpetuating the idea that -recharge will harm Fury.
I mean, really. The horse is dead. Stop beating it. -Rech will not break Fury. It won't even scratch it.
Stop saying it will.
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To be fair, you have to provide proof that -recharge won't break Fury if you're going to claim it. At face value, the statement follows logic since Fury is generated both by incoming and outgoing attacks, and -recharge will reduce the incoming portion.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I really wish people would stop perpetuating the idea that -recharge will harm Fury.
I mean, really. The horse is dead. Stop beating it. -Rech will not break Fury. It won't even scratch it. Stop saying it will. |
That said, a fast recharging large radius PBAoE knock down attack will give you similar results. So will a PBAoE stun or fear aura. So will draining the endurance of your foes. Those sets don't have problems with Fury.
Nevermind that we have proof that "full" fury can be maintained just by attacking the dummies in RWZ.
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I think you are talking about Castle. He had ideas for that set but thought people would freak because it would require removing the toxic damage from it.
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Originally Posted by Negate
It's very unlikely they would port spines to brutes. That set has so much going on...I know many times over Posi wanted to do something with the set but he didn't in fear of a riot lol. Ice.Ice is more likely to get ported over than Spines I think.
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It DID, thus people are not forgetting it. The devs gave that reason for chosing to remove the powerset that brutes already had, which is why it is quoted so often.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I really wish people would stop perpetuating the idea that -recharge will harm Fury.
I mean, really. The horse is dead. Stop beating it. -Rech will not break Fury. It won't even scratch it. Stop saying it will. |
True, there have been minor changes to fury generation since CoV beta, but you will continue to hear people telling you why it doesn't exist for brutes because some of us were there and saw how you would have been wrong back then.
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Back then is not now. My statement remains.
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Originally Posted by JayboH
It DID, thus people are not forgetting it. The devs gave that reason for chosing to remove the powerset that brutes already had, which is why it is quoted so often.
True, there have been minor changes to fury generation since CoV beta, but you will continue to hear people telling you why it doesn't exist for brutes because some of us were there and saw how you would have been wrong back then. |
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Exactly the Old Timers need to get over it...No offense lol :P. Jay Posi Also talked about Spines as well being ported over but to be perfectly honest I don't remember any of it at all lol. IT would be nice ot see it ported over to Brutes though but if he does do that he would need ot make some adjustments to compensate for the lack of Toxic damage.
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Originally Posted by JayboH
It DID, thus people are not forgetting it. The devs gave that reason for chosing to remove the powerset that brutes already had, which is why it is quoted so often.
True, there have been minor changes to fury generation since CoV beta, but you will continue to hear people telling you why it doesn't exist for brutes because some of us were there and saw how you would have been wrong back then. |
If I can generate fury on a completely locked down enemy WITHOUT having them cycling through attacks, then Ice/Ice is justified. The discussion against Ice/Ice being ported to Brutes is invalid. Fury generation in the here and now is MUCH better than it used to be. If EM/ can generate fury, I fail to see how Ice/Ice will not.
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I've proven it with all of my Brutes. I took them to the RWZ and, using just THREE attacks, generated the max amount of Fury attainable outside of Frenzy ON A VANGUARD TRAINING DUMMY.|
Originally Posted by Bookkeeper_Jay
If I can generate fury on a completely locked down enemy WITHOUT having them cycling through attacks, then Ice/Ice is justified. The discussion against Ice/Ice being ported to Brutes is invalid. Fury generation in the here and now is MUCH better than it used to be. If EM/ can generate fury, I fail to see how Ice/Ice will not.
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If you didn't notice, my answer was regarding his question as to why people keep bringing it up.
They will continue to bring it up for the reasons I gave, regardless of what the game is like now, since you asked.
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And my answer is still the same, since what's in the past does not matter anymore: Back then is back then. Ice will not cause problems with Fury. The old arguments are invalid, regardless of what people think they know about something that is no longer relevant.
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If you didn't notice, my answer was regarding his question as to why people keep bringing it up.
They will continue to bring it up for the reasons I gave, regardless of what the game is like now, since you asked. |
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We may be youngins Jay but I think most of us remember the old fury debate. Heck It feels like they changeg it not to long ago. I wish I would of joined COH back in 04 but sadly back then I was to broke for a monthly subscription.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I've proven it with all of my Brutes. I took them to the RWZ and, using just THREE attacks, generated the max amount of Fury attainable outside of Frenzy ON A VANGUARD TRAINING DUMMY.
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Pretty sure that even between beta and launch there were changes to fury that would have mitigated (but not eliminated) the problem. In my memory fury was always from attacking and being attacked.
Modern fury - no brainer - not even a problem. Been proven, shown, displayed, folded neatly, and placed in a box.
That said, meh, ice. While it would be fun, I'd rather see Spines, Broadsword, or Regen.
Oh wait, we were talking about things that might actually happen? Ice/Ice it is then.
(QQ's in a corner thinking about broadsword brutes...)
Broadsword would be sexy same for spines...regen yeah regen is cool...but again lets be realistic hehe.
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People said Super Reflexes will retard Fury, too. People are dumb.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I really wish people would stop perpetuating the idea that -recharge will harm Fury.
I mean, really. The horse is dead. Stop beating it. -Rech will not break Fury. It won't even scratch it. Stop saying it will. |
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But this old saw along with "MMs are the redside tanks" just continues to roll on. It *was* true, and now it's not. Been here since 2004 as well, and a number of things used to be true, and no longer are. Would it be justifiable to say:|
Originally Posted by JayboH
some of us were there and saw how you would have been wrong back then.
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Hasten is perma with one slot, no need to add any.
6 slotted stamina will solve your recovery problems.
Slot all attacks with one accuracy, and 5 damage.
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An attack must HIT you to generate fury, pure resist sets are thus superior.
Those were all true statements at one point in the game. Now, however, you don't see them cyclicly come up on the boards. The statement could be made true by simply saying "The slow made fury difficult, thus it was removed. As of now, it simply has not been ported."
stalkers could use the ice/