Long story short, Ice armor and Ice melee put huge stacking slows on opponents, making fury from getting hit incredibly low. Hack job solution: Energy Aura was born.
Though I'm willing to bet an Ice brute would generate more fury on a big team than an EA brute. EA has no taunt aura and unsupressable stealth, two things that DO NOT MIX with the brute AT.
Gecko was horrible at designing and balancing powersets, and I'm so glad he's gone on to screw up other projects for other companies, as the recent sets (DB, willpower, shields, KM) have been right on the money for most melee AT's.
If you want Ice Armor for brutes, just hope there are enough people that agree with you, and it will be ported eventually.
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Yep. But now Fury is different. So give us the armor plz.
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Originally Posted by Soul_Fane
Long story short, Ice armor and Ice melee put huge stacking slows on opponents, making fury from getting hit incredibly low. Hack job solution: Energy Aura was born.
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I think there's enough people who want an Ice/Ice Brute...even though most of them are Vets. I think the young blood don't have the patience to wait till 38 AND every tells them to steer clear of Ice Melee. You'd be surprised how much rumors and a little influence can change people's mindset.
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<--- look at my date i ant no vet.. i have loved the trip from 1-39 on my dark/ice tank thow he is pianfull to solo. but a beast in a team and i am only using SOs.
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Originally Posted by Negate
I think there's enough people who want an Ice/Ice Brute...even though most of them are Vets. I think the young blood don't have the patience to wait till 38 AND every tells them to steer clear of Ice Melee. You'd be surprised how much rumors and a little influence can change people's mindset.
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I am in favor of ice for brutes. Cold, flatlined, emotionless killing rage please!
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It is a bit tough to solo before you get frost or Freezing Touch I admit but it's not to bad for dmg. Def. built more for mitigation though which is fine by me.
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Originally Posted by Cmls
<--- look at my date i ant no vet.. i have loved the trip from 1-39 on my dark/ice tank thow he is pianfull to solo. but a beast in a team and i am only using SOs.
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Originally Posted by Telperion
I am in favor of ice for brutes. Cold, flatlined, emotionless killing rage please!
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I have been holding out for a while for Ice Melee (and Ice Armor, I guess) to be proliferated. Not just to Brutes, but to Scrappers and Stalkers as well. Ice has always been my favorite type, and I already have toons planned out for when they proliferate it (that's right: "when," not "if").
Generating Fury's not a problem anymore, so the only real reason to keep it back would be the Uniqueness, like Poison, Ninjitsu, or Illusion. But, see, Ice isn't exactly a unique powerset in itself; look at all the other ATs that have some form of Ice power. The only ones missing a cold powerset are the EATs (of course), 3/4 melees (the topic), and MMs (whom I also hope to see Cold Dom ported to--and they do have the cold minions in Demons).
In other words, count me in as one more person in support of Ice for brutes (et al.)!
Ice armor/melee would be awesome. Give it to Stalkers too!
And for the record, Icicles would help with fury.
I want my Spines/Ice Armor Brute now plz!! 
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LMAO, You are really pushing it aren't you? ;P That would be a great combo though. Good slows/-recharge, dmg that combo would have it all.
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Originally Posted by Gypsy_of_Paradox
I want my Spines/Ice Armor Brute now plz!!
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Add another for the love of wanting Ice Armor for brutes. And tip top this thread in the process.
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Thanks Lyger I've been getting sloppy.
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Originally Posted by LygerZero
Add another for the love of wanting Ice Armor for brutes. And tip top this thread in the process.
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All good. I'm here for ya m8. lol
Hrm. Ice Melee, Freezing Touch is only a single target hold, so keeping that as it is can work. The main problems are Ice Patch and Frozen Aura. My suggestions would be:
1: Frozen Fists (keep as it is)
1: Ice Sword (keep as it is)
2: Frost (keep as it is)
6: Freezing Touch (move into lower level, keep as it is)
8: Build Up (keep as it is)
12: Taunt (move into level 12 to standardize)
18: Ice Patch (see below)
26: Frozen Aura (see below)
32: Greater Ice Sword (superior damage instead of high, move into level 32)
- Ice Patch - give them a localized (PBAoE) weaker version of Sleet with reduced radius (10"?). Enemies can still attack, and it would work in conjunction with Ice Melee's lowish damage, raising it due to the -res in Sleet.
- Frozen Aura is now Ice Sword Circle from Dominator's Icy Assault.
Could work as a specialised Brute.
As for Ice Armor...
1: Frozen Armor
2: Hoarfrost
4: Chilling Embrace
10: Wet Ice
16: Permafrost
20: Glacial Armor (swap with Icicles)
28: Icicles (swap with Glacial Armor)
35: Energy Absorption
38: Hibernate
Other than two swaps, I don't really see what's wrong with this one. :3
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Why would Frozen Aura need to be changed at all? It works fine as is, now. It didn't when I6 came out, which is why Dominators got Ice Sword Circle in the first place (and was one of the suck-tastic properties of Ice Melee, which is why Brutes didn't get it), but now that it does a good amount of damage, I would think that it would be fine.|
Originally Posted by Ideon
Hrm. Ice Melee, Freezing Touch is only a single target hold, so keeping that as it is can work. The main problems are Ice Patch and Frozen Aura. My suggestions would be:
1: Frozen Fists (keep as it is) 1: Ice Sword (keep as it is) 2: Frost (keep as it is) 6: Freezing Touch (move into lower level, keep as it is) 8: Build Up (keep as it is) 12: Taunt (move into level 12 to standardize) 18: Ice Patch (see below) 26: Frozen Aura (see below) 32: Greater Ice Sword (superior damage instead of high, move into level 32)
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Ice Patch is no more problematic than Hand Clap, really, and would most likely be skipped on Brutes, but that's fine.
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I agree Ice Patch and Frozen Aura should stay the same. Of Course with Frozen Aura they should modify the numbers on the brute dmg scale...and to be honest maybe chuck a little more dmg in frozen aura across the board just for fun. Hey MA got a little lovin'.
I do think for brutes Energy Absorption should be moved up. I think it's such a key power for the set...way more important than Power Sink or Energy Drain. I think you should be able to pick it up at lvl 28.
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I refuse to believe that the current Fury mechanics would suffer all that greatly from Ice's -recharge effects. Why? My Stone/WP Brute. With his build I can keep most if not all of a spawn permanently disoriented, so they aren't attacking him at all, and he has zero problems with Fury.
So I say Hell Yes! to Ice Brutes. I might even reroll my Tanker to Brute if we got it. Maybe. Possibly. Hmmm.........Arctic Paladin with Fury and Brute damage.....I think I need a cold shower now.
I know what builds I would roll. A Fire/Ice, Stone/Ice, Ice/Shield....I think the one that would excite me the most would be Claws/Ice...can you imagine that? Huge Mob: Energy Absorption, With Icicles running at full fury while you do the Spin attack? *twitch*
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Hmmm I recal Ice Melee one a brute in CoV beta. It had both swords that Ice Melee currently has AND Ice Sword Circle as youve all seen in the Domie Ice set. It was gorgeous looking... If you like that kind of thing. Which I did. |
Originally Posted by Negate
I know what builds I would roll. A Fire/Ice, Stone/Ice, Ice/Shield....I think the one that would excite me the most would be Claws/Ice...can you imagine that? Huge Mob: Energy Absorption, With Icicles running at full fury while you do the Spin attack? *twitch*
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Even if Ice armor itself were never spread arround I should very much like to see Ice Melee "beta brute" style passed arround to Brutes and Scraps and stick the ice sword circle into whatever underperforms in the Tanker version, as far as I'm concerned. So damn Pretty... it's a piety it never went live. (sheds tear)
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That's sounds like an excellent idea. I do think the Ice Melee set would need to be changed a bit to be more ideal for brutes...Maybe Take out Frozen Fists? I know I'm being greedy but I LOVE frost...but I'm one of those few who actually like DOT.
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Originally Posted by RogueDemonhunter
Hmmm I recal Ice Melee one a brute in CoV beta. It had both swords that Ice Melee currently has AND Ice Sword Circle as youve all seen in the Domie Ice set. It was gorgeous looking... If you like that kind of thing. Which I did.
Even if Ice armor itself were never spread arround I should very much like to see Ice Melee "beta brute" style passed arround to Brutes and Scraps and stick the ice sword circle into whatever underperforms in the Tanker version, as far as I'm concerned. So damn Pretty... it's a piety it never went live. (sheds tear) |
Just started playing Brutes (looooong time Tanker), but have been saying that Ice Melee would work well the Brutes for some time. I'd like to see them get it.
Ice Armor though...not too sure about, isn't Energy Aura "Ice Armor" rolled for the Red side? I know there are a few difference, and they were probably designed around the old Fury generation rules, but, I'm wondering if they'd port the set now for fear of "duplicate" sets?
Iirc, I had beta'd an Ice Brute at one time too. I like the sets, just didn't play Red side at the time. So, never really missed it.
As I said though, I'm enjoying running Brutes now and would love to see them get Ice Melee. Ice Armor too if it's in the stars.
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Ice Armor is very different from Energy Aura...Sadly though I'm not a number person at all.
Think of Energy Aura as Electric Armor mixed with Ice Armor lol.
Energy on paper looks like it would work very well due to it's defense and a bit of resistance stacking to provide protection along with its PBAoE heal. It also does well at taking care of end issues due to Conserve Power and Energy drain but in battles it all falls flat. I can't speak for the set entirely due to me only getting to try it out when I played one of my friends lvl 50 but in battle I ran into all types of issues like keeping the aggro on me, scaling defense with no Backup 'cept for Overload, Heal only effecting when surrounded by a big mob.
I'm well versed with Electric Armor though! lol
Ice focuses on defense, spamming Energy Absorption, using icicles and Chilling Embrace to slow down incoming heat and the trust ole hoarfrost. Also if thinks get risky you cna always hit Hibernate. Ice has many weaknesses as well but I think it outshines EA by far.
Sorry for the rambling but it's the best comparison I can produce! Might need another head in her to swoop down and help me out lol.
brutes,scrapers and tanks all need a set made Purely for them. that only they get.
like brutes geting an armour with a build in fury generator or something so it cant realy be ported.
scrapers geting a armour with a +to crit chance making them crit more often.
tanks i dont know but someone may have na idea..