I16: Super-Sidekicking Explained
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Posted on: 2009-08-12 10:06 in Developers' Corner
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And some of us have never built a character with stamina. Easy on Emp/Rad, Mercs/Traps, MA/Regen scrapper, and Inv/Axe tank. Bit harder on a Night Widow and DB/DA scrapper.
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Originally Posted by _gohan661_
I dont get this PoV at all. There is nothing wrong with less powers. nothing wrong with not having SOs. There is nothing wrong with not having stamina. Period!
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I thought that to, but then if thikn about powerlevelin do they not normally try and keep like +5 mobs in miss and soak up the xp, now with super sk'n from waht i read it will auto sk you to -1 level of the max level in team so will only be +1 as opposed to +5 so the xp wont be so high and they wont be powerleveld as fast , casuse of this.|
Originally Posted by Gr33n
hate to say it.... but this makes PLing easier.....
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Well is what i read into it , so far.
@Snow.
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That's not an answer to my question, that's just a reiteration of the system as we understand it.|
Originally Posted by Rajani_Isa
Because being in a team will force you to exemp no matter what. No choice. So to unexemp, you will have to leave the team.
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Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
The question though is what is the minimum level for Levantera's missions? Before by default it would be 35 because you had to be 35 to enter the zone. Now, with no level restriction to enter, can a level 1 access those missions?
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Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
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So you've said. About five times now.
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Wail
I still dont see the excitement
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I have one I tweaked from the old one. I'll look at getting it up on google docs or similar place|
Originally Posted by Rodion
Does anyone know where a current XP/level table is so I can validate that assumption?
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http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...lbExNNkE&hl=en
I think that should do it. Rough and ready, but with the data there
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-1 level to what the team leader is.
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Originally Posted by Snow
I thought that to, but then if thikn about powerlevelin do they not normally try and keep like +5 mobs in miss and soak up the xp, now with super sk'n from waht i read it will auto sk you to -1 level of the max level in team so will only be +1 as opposed to +5 so the xp wont be so high and they wont be powerleveld as fast , casuse of this.
Well is what i read into it , so far. |
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That is correct. The only part that is sorta off is you can set the mish to spawn at +4, so the mobs are at +5 vs the sk's, and +4 vs everyone else. That being said, if you can solo +4 mishes spawned for extra people, without their help, you deserve to PL them that way. If you need their help, then its not really PLing them, its just running (or farming) hard mish's. If you are farming, and can kill at +4, then why have the extra people.... more rewards for you if you are alone.|
Originally Posted by Snow
I thought that to, but then if thikn about powerlevelin do they not normally try and keep like +5 mobs in miss and soak up the xp, now with super sk'n from waht i read it will auto sk you to -1 level of the max level in team so will only be +1 as opposed to +5 so the xp wont be so high and they wont be powerleveld as fast , casuse of this.
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PLing at +4 will become more of a "your my friend and I'll help you" over the current system of "LFM any, we want you to doorsit"
Can the new system be abused, YES. Can the new system be abused as quickly or easily as the old system, NO. They arn't removing PLing, farming, or any of that. They are minimising it, and its impact of the game. Its not as easy after I16, so it will happen less. Lazy people get PL'd. Active people dont PL (they play the game for content, farm, or whatever). This new system rewards active people for not PLing others, while giving nothing to lazy people in return. Lazy people will have to find a "new" way to be lazy.
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Originally Posted by Positron
To us cutting down on annoying spam only makes your game experience better. (Which reminds me, weve added new features to the in-game Email system to either shut it off entirely, or only receive emails from people on your friends list and/or people in your Supergroup. Another step in the battle against annoying in-game spam.)
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My eye immediately jumped to the section of the announcement concerning in-game spam and the email system.
The rest is a blur at the moment.
I'm looking forward to i16.
RWZ at L1 wont be a good idea, unless some one in team teleports you to the AE building as if them missile launcher silos get you in RWZ it may make it darn hard getting to the AE building. Also you wont have travel power so wont be easy getting to that building.
So yes if wanted coop at low level then move the AE building or make a kiosk or something in Pocket D that would be a better option for lowbies looking for coop missioning at low level.
As in valentines event you can do that coop low level in Pocket D
And yes remove the AE building from the warzone it seems out of place with the ongoing battle in there to have an entertainment facility in the middle of a warzone !
@Snow.
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i'm all for i16, i mean after bein with the game for over 55 months now im really looking forward to this issue above all others, but what i guess that i'm a little confused on is AE,---while we are designing our own mish,there is a option to set the minimal size of the person to enter the mish, will that option be completly took out??
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Originally Posted by Sam_Hufinson
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My eye immediately jumped to the section of the announcement concerning in-game spam and the email system. The rest is a blur at the moment. I'm looking forward to i16. |
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Originally Posted by Starcloud
Positron:
WHen you say "only recieve mail from people on your friends list" does this refer to the *global* friends list, or to the *character* friends list? There is a massive difference between the two. With the character friends list, I cannot make a villain character a friend on a hero, or vice versa. This means that if it's limited by the character friends list, I will never be able to get e-mail from a villain on a hero or vice versa. If it's limited by the global friends list, there is no issue. Please clarify what you mean by "friends list" since there are two different lists in game. Quote:
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Kat, that's not even relevant to some of us (me in particular). I haven't gotten a single email that I wanted, or sent one, in years. I'm sure others are in the same situation. Turning it off completely is all we wanted.
That being said, I agree with a lot of people that there should be more options for who to allow. Not for my sake 'cuz I'll just be leaving it off, but for the sake of many players. Some will want global friends, some will want SG, some will want server friends, some might want some combination thereof. Since the email system is global, it seems silly to not have the limitation selection be global as well. At least to me it does.
Robin.
PS: please don't take this as me saying your comment was a waste of time. I'm only saying that it's not actually a detail at all to some people. I was just pointing that out because it seems to have escaped some people.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
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My question is, If I'm playing a lvl 34 toon and I have 2 friends on my team (both lvl 20) and the 3 of us run my mish do my 2 friends both get sked up even if its an odd number on my team?
Yes. You could have 7 level 1s on your team and all of them would auto-sk to 33.
--If we can have huge sig images, why can we have only five lines of text?
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
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Ok thats cool. thanks
so does that mean that zones like Rikti and Cimerrora will still have the lvl caps to get in . . or will you beable to pop in at lvl 1??
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Originally Posted by Zombie_Man
You mean to the Shard where level 1s can buy a Jet Pack now?
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Except the character doing the run is lvl 35 or higher (if I've done my con math properly).
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Now if we could get the rpers to stop lagging atlas and actually play the game, and the ae artists stop whining that no one wants to play their arcs shut up, the game might improve. too bad you cant set your mission to erp for eight.
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Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU
I think the changes are good because they let players who want to farm or PL do it without having to find fillers, and it lets players who don't farm or PL avoid the tells and broadcast spam asking for fillers. Everyone gets to play the game the way they want to play it, but with less impact on other players who might not share their views on playing the game.
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Because then no one else ever gets story arc merits. Remember that problem that never got fixed?
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Originally Posted by Eisenzahn
Then why not just switch the team over to doing your missions at your level?
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This all sounds great except... does the new difficulty system allow you to select whether you want to AVs reduced to EB's like you get at level 1 difficulty? I have many solo characters who can solo easily at level 5 and possibly higher but the can't solo most AV's expectially at level 5, that just ain't happening.
I admit I am one of the people who don't thing Shivans/Missles should be required to complete normal missions solo and this would be one of the best improvements for me personally.
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Originally Posted by jwbullfrog
OK generally good things all around but a question about the auto exemp feature.
Say, for example you have a team with a couple of mid 30's and a couple of 20's. You've just finished doing some lv 30-ish missions in St. Martial and are standing outside the door waiting to see whats next. The team leader selects one of the lv 20something missions for the next run. Does this mean that everyone now has to worry about the level of the mobs of the streets or does this only go into effect when you enter the next instanced mission? If this was mentioned in the OP, I might have misunderstood. |
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| One of the other advantages to this system is that the level adjustments take place no matter where you are in the game. No more My sidekick is out of range messages. If you are about to undergo a large level shift, you will have a dialog box pop-up giving you warning and the ability to leave the team (handy if you are in combat at the time and dont want to suddenly be fighting at a lower level). The range of levels that this dialog pops up is adjustable in the Options screen. |
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".
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While it seems to conflict with the quote you gave from the original post, here is paragraph four of the original post:|
Originally Posted by Lady_Sadako
Looks like it's going to auto SK to mission holder's actual level, not their level -1.
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| If you are below the level you are getting set to, you are automatically sidekicked up to one level below the owners level, just as if you had sidekicked to them. If you are above the level, then you will be lowered to the level of the owner, just as if you exemplared down. |
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".
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Exemplering should just give a debuff to the damge multiplier...Not take away powers, Enhancments and IO bonuses. Why would i want to play my favorite toon at a level he was not designed for?
This is why I always avoid teaming with lower level folks..No, I don't team much.