MA farming: The way to kill an MMO
There is this comedic idea that RPers will enter a team and start going forsooth and walk instead of run while pausing at every battle to make a comment about how epic they are fighting, etc.
As a long time RP I never saw this happen. In a full team of RPers certainly there will be chatter going but entering one who is not people will pipe down (except Fanservice, but he's a loon). There is just no fun in trying to RP in teams with a casual-non-RP whose answer will range from 'lolwut?' to '[censored]?? gtfo!'.
As for MA, yes, I feel it killed the game. Not so much for the farming but for the fact that...
A) - You can make a new toon and never leave Atlas (it even has a WW) until 50. No need to do the stupid stupid stupid arcs that send you from Steel to KR, back to Steel, then Galaxy, then back to Steel, then to Atlas, then back to Steel and this bfore having travel powers.
B) - Everything you need is in the MA. MA is mother and father. It XPs you, gives tickets and feeds enhancements.
C) - Farming, yes. Whatever is done in the end it's still an option and even before the comm officers fad a friend of mind took me to a map filled with lieutenants and I got to 22 in a couple of hours (incredibly slow by comm officer standards, but still leaps and bounds ahead regular teaming) which means it's an option available at level 1 without even having to travel to PI.
That said I've enjoyed the farming and made one for me. At first it was just to reach DO level (half an hour) which was lovely since I hate low levels after over two years of CoHing. But then it's so easy I just carry on to SOs. That means I made several alts I've been wanting to try but lack the energy to grind the slog to 22. Several ice tankers, a WS, a few scrappers. Some beyond 22 but several sitting pretty there so I can play then and test when the mood comes.
It is fun to skip the sucky bit pre SOs
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I think the other main problem is that pre-22, the game does kind of suck, once you hit 22 then it really begins to soar with SOs but prior to that attacks and toggles drain to much Endurance even with end redux DOs 3 slotted, Rest doesn't recharge nearly as often as you'd like or need and if your a melee toon your defense/resistances don't come into their own until SO level.
If they somehow (no idea how) made the pre-22 game suck less (imo) then perhaps it might also help with the farming (it's doubtful but hey I can dream).
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In a full team of RPers certainly there will be chatter going but entering one who is not people will pipe down (except Fanservice, but he's a loon). There is just no fun in trying to RP in teams with a casual-non-RP whose answer will range from 'lolwut?' to '[censored]?? gtfo!'.
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I find people actually get a kick out of the bad, spider man like combat quippage. Then again I personally find CoH combat fun to watch, but not especially difficult (Although Kinetic is proving a nice challenge with its short range buffs). So I liven it up by making bad jokes.
The farming though? Honestly... I don't really mind. If people want to farm, more power too them I hope they have a good time with it. No one is FORCING anyone to farm, honestly saying you can't get anything but a Farm team these days is a step up from the usual, 'I can't get any team at all'. If I want to play story arcs (And I do!) I haven't had any trouble finding them and there's still people who do the Hollows and the like.
I'm amazed that people think the MA is the reason there's players at 50 who are terrible. There's always been people like that, most PuG 50's are incapable of thinking that they're part of a team it's not something new.
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It is fun to skip the sucky bit pre SOs
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^^ this.
The curve of 'strength' of toons is way to high, specialy if you are toggle heavy or damage depenable, going from 21 to 22 is overall 50% increase of everything.
They should add a new veteran reward, insta-20
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Enough said.
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We should look on the bright side....
....apparently any thread that is critical of the MA on the US side is being deleted......
.....yay for free speech............
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Lets not have the "I have the right to say whatever I like on your private forums" argument because it's silly. If you feel Free Speech is being taken away, then there's plenty of places you can Blog and say anything you want.
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Lets not have the "I have the right to say whatever I like on your private forums" argument because it's silly. If you feel Free Speech is being taken away, then there's plenty of places you can Blog and say anything you want.
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Not at all, I was actually complementing this forum, but as you bring it up, as long as we arent being abusive etc, we have the right to say what we want on a private forum for a game that we pay for.....
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Lets not have the "I have the right to say whatever I like on your private forums" argument because it's silly. If you feel Free Speech is being taken away, then there's plenty of places you can Blog and say anything you want.
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Not at all, I was actually complementing this forum, but as you bring it up, as long as we arent being abusive etc, we have the right to say what we want on a private forum for a game that we pay for.....
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And so have the 'farmers' the exact same right to farm MA to its full content, because they pay for it (exploits excluded). If they bother you with spam on joining or filling, report them acording the EULA, all settled.
Circle is complete, end of discussion.
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.....yay for free speech............
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Lets not have the "I have the right to say whatever I like on your private forums" argument because it's silly. If you feel Free Speech is being taken away, then there's plenty of places you can Blog and say anything you want.
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Not at all, I was actually complementing this forum, but as you bring it up, as long as we arent being abusive etc, we have the right to say what we want on a private forum for a game that we pay for.....
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And so have the 'farmers' the exact same right to farm MA to its full content, because they pay for it (exploits excluded). If they bother you with spam on joining or filling, report them acording the EULA, all settled.
Circle is complete, end of discussion.
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Not sure where that came from as didnt even mention farmers...........
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Not sure where that came from as didnt even mention farmers...........
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I thought that.
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.....yay for free speech............
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Lets not have the "I have the right to say whatever I like on your private forums" argument because it's silly. If you feel Free Speech is being taken away, then there's plenty of places you can Blog and say anything you want.
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Not at all, I was actually complementing this forum, but as you bring it up, as long as we arent being abusive etc, we have the right to say what we want on a private forum for a game that we pay for.....
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I'm not sure about us having the right - these forums are entirely hosted and moderated by NCSoft, and they can put whatever restrictions they want on them. If they wanted to issue a decree that any post without the word "penguin" in the subject gets insta-pulled, and its OPer banned, they could do that.
That said, automatic deletion of even civil threads on a subject they don't like (like MA problems) can be counterproductive. If forum goers get the impression devs will do what they want and suppress all criticism in the meantime they're more inclined to shrug, mutter "OK, do it your way then, but I'm off" and stroll away into the sunset.
The MA really is a twofold problem.
The devs begun the opening of Pandora's box with Wentworths/Black Market, Prior to that there was no reason for anyone who had amassed a fortune of inf at 50 to do anything other than fund new alts with it or possibly trade for Hami-O's (or use to fund costume competitions etc.)
With the coming of Inventions and the markets, Inf now had a value, before it didn't really have much of a value but now it did.
For a while, everything was priced skyhigh as those who had amassed fortunes of inf were willing to blow it all on the new inventions and the invention origin costume parts but over time, things stabilised and inf begun having a set and stable value.
About this time Pandora's box was about half open, they'd introduced an economy, reasons for people to level (to get the set IOs) and allowed those tricked out characters to return to pre-ED levels, albeit with a large inf cost.
With merits pushing the lid slightly more and now the MA and all it's associated rewards having blown the lid wide open.
As it has been said, the MA has become mother and father, everything is available through it...why bother with merits when tickets are massively easier to earn? Influence has had it's value completely changed, recipes that were expensive before have sunk completely in value (apart from purples which have increased in price and Uniques which have dropped a little but not a price crash). Why both buying salvage at the current ridiculous price when you can use tickets to roll for it and get it much easier and cheaper. Both these changes I love personally, it makes outfitting a character in IO's so much cheaper.
The MA has become everything to all peoples, that's the problem, they've opened Pandora's box and now there's going to be no way of closing it.
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We don't appear to have the issue of sensitive threads being deleted here on the EU forums. I wonder if it is because the EU mods are more tolerant, or because they don't exist?
I suppose at least if they delete the threads, you know someone's actually out there reading them. If they get left, you might give the playerbase the feeling that there's no point giving any suggestions or feedback.
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Lets not have the "I have the right to say whatever I like on your private forums" argument because it's silly. If you feel Free Speech is being taken away, then there's plenty of places you can Blog and say anything you want.
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Not at all, I was actually complementing this forum, but as you bring it up, as long as we arent being abusive etc, we have the right to say what we want on a private forum for a game that we pay for.....
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And so have the 'farmers' the exact same right to farm MA to its full content, because they pay for it (exploits excluded). If they bother you with spam on joining or filling, report them acording the EULA, all settled.
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You're on the wrong track here.
Farmers are not the problem right now, in fact they've never been a problem apart from spam emails and blind invites. If farmers want to farm, then fine.
The problem is the quantum levelling that's happening right now, although to be fair it has been called 'MA farming' as well.
This kind of levelling has the real capacity to devalue the core of the game, however it has to be recognised that being able to effectively bypass levels 1-21 and get to SO's in an hour is something I've seen asked for on these boards before - as a vet reward.
It's not just farmers who are taking advantage of the current situation. It seems everyone is filling their boots.
I've been critical of the current situation, but I've been like that for one particular reason.
It isn't because I had to play hard for my level 50's. It isn't that we'll have level 50's that know next to nothing about the build. It's something far more simple.
When the devs 'fix' the current situation, the game should get back to some sense of normality. The problem is that when this happens will players who have become accustomed to fast levelling be prepared to go back to normal gameplay?
The longer this is left as it is, the harder it will be for people to revert to normal - and that's the problem that our game faces.
I would imagine that this week the issue will be reviewed by the devs. It'll be interesting to see what the response is from the devs - if indeed there is one ....
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'farmers' include those quantum leveling people, it include anyone that plays this game differently then anyway here claims to be 'the right way'. (repeately doing same mission with best xp/effort ratio).
And the longer it stays, the more EU will go empty and the sooner they can close it
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It's ok.
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That wasn't a shield tank without Active Defense was it? if so I've teamed with them.
the biggest question still remains, what is really game breaking?
farming a massive amount of tickets and salvage stuff, or PL till all the epics are unlocked?
IMO the first one is hurting a ton more then the second one, simply because the first one can ruin the market completely.
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the biggest question still remains, what is really game breaking?
farming a massive amount of tickets and salvage stuff, or PL till all the epics are unlocked?
IMO the first one is hurting a ton more then the second one, simply because the first one can ruin the market completely.
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The pl is much worse for the game than the inf farming.
This game lives from ppl making alts, if you can lvl 10 alts to 50 in a week the ppl get bored very quickly as there is nothing they really wanna do anymore, therefore leaving the game much earlier than normally.
There is no need to deny that farming, or more accurately the consequences of farming, is an issue right now. It shouldn't be one for much longer though but we need to iron out a few things before we can make our stance public.
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There is no need to deny that farming, or more accurately the consequences of farming, is an issue right now. It shouldn't be one for much longer though but we need to iron out a few things before we can make our stance public.
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That sounds kinda...ominous
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There is no need to deny that farming, or more accurately the consequences of farming, is an issue right now. It shouldn't be one for much longer though but we need to iron out a few things before we can make our stance public.
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That sounds kinda...ominous
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Well ominous for one side or another I guess.
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Sorudo, have you actually ever teamed with an RPer?
And how is banding RP with people who like stories the same thing?
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ok, you lost me here.
RP elitism and casual, what do you not understand?
and yes, i have teamed plenty with RP players, i even did RP with one of my characters.
not that it's any fun for ME, but i let them be.