MA farming: The way to kill an MMO
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Posted on: 2009-05-01 12:12 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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After reading some of the suggestions on how to deal with MA, I am so [censored] glad none of you lot are designing this game. Seriously, no offense meant.
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If I were designing this game, we wouldn't have MA in its current destructive form.
However .. The devs have previously dealt with such situations in a particular manner, that may make some suggestions here look positivley benign in comparison.
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This bloody MA- like giving a group of school boys an MMos version of a nuclear bomb...
Trouble is that, it seems to me, the genie is out of the bottle now...
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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I think ya'll look-seeing too much in this here mans speech.
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Of course. If we didn't, what would we talk about?
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I think ya'll look-seeing too much in this here mans speech.
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Of course. If we didn't, what would we talk about?
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Also, given that it's the only contact we've had with the devs recently, it's right up thar for tearin' apart until we find all there is to find out about it!
(Not a lot, but we can dream).
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Problem is yes they will do something about it but they will take there normal road of nerfing it to hell and messing the whole thing up as per the norm for this game and it will end up as yet another waste of time. If for example they take away the xp from MA missions what you will have is a very small amount of people making arcs and even less playing it.
On another note if players are making farms using this MA then it just goes to show you farming is popular and wanted by some, so all those who for years said farming wasnt the way the devs wanted to go were wrong they gave us the best tool ever to do it.
How did anyone ever think this wasnt the way it was going to go? if the devs dont want us to farm take away the MA its the only way to stop it or why not take a real radical road and make us some good new content.
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Well, that certainly proves that MA farming turns out characters with horrible builds.
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Let's duel sometime then MaX. I'll show you how horrible the build is.
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PL it self isn't really the game braking point, the only problem here is the fact that rewards can be farmed, which is something to go and "fix" it.
PLing to the extremes we are witnessing now is game breaking, especially so for a game like CoX where end game content is scarse.
In WoW it would not be so bad, since as some old players will tell you "The game starts at 80 (or 70 pre WotLK, or 60 pre TBC)". Even in WoW I think that the dev team would be scrambling to correct such an extreme PLing tactic as what is offered currently by abusing the xp reward from certain mobs.
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Alot of people will level and leave until the next issue and for them it will hopefully be one that'll save them a lot of time that the longtime subscribers lost just so they can experience other games more and get on with them - true say some are here for a month, found the games been a bit laughable and that they don't fancy making much else then they're off again.
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In WoW it would not be so bad, since as some old players will tell you "The game starts at 80 (or 70 pre WotLK, or 60 pre TBC)". Even in WoW I think that the dev team would be scrambling to correct such an extreme PLing tactic as what is offered currently by abusing the xp reward from certain mobs.
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You're playing the same WoW as i do? Seems not.
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I just wanted to let you know that we are not being oblivious of the fact that farming is an issue. Our GMs have been actioning reports and will continue to do so but more will be done to ensure a more "ethical" use of the Mission Architect.
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Must admit I am shocked.
I took my level 5 into a mission just wanting to get to 10 so he could do some bits like Posi etc, and thought I would try an MA team but in 3/4 of an hour, I hit 17.
That astounded me.
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I don't mind farming and PL communities, they will exist but for people who have played to have fun some of them have paid to wait until they can have fun, for some getting to 40 was a milestone and 50 was when the fun began as it can take all slots to finally work that concept out.
In terms of money many people have wasted months of subscription, if they knew before that they could of done what people are doing now then are probably gutted and feel somewhat robbed of money and time best spent on other games.
I think everyone should abuse the system if they can be so bothered but losing disgusted loyal players maybe the outcome which means a loss of longterm good friends for others which is sad. I just want to get where the "Way to kill an MMO" comes from and I think maybe it sits somewhere here, if not the lame teams that would take infinite attempts at getting a cavern trial done where a 50 asks "How do you click on a stone?".
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I just wanted to let you know that we are not being oblivious of the fact that farming is an issue. Our GMs have been actioning reports and will continue to do so but more will be done to ensure a more "ethical" use of the Mission Architect.
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Will it involve ethical visits from ethical men with ethical baseball bats to the unethical homes of unethical farmers? 
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In terms of money many people have wasted months of subscription, if they knew before that they could of done what people are doing now then are probably gutted and feel somewhat robbed of money and time best spent on other games.
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That is part nature of the game. I konw people spend days, weeks, months to reach a certain lvl in WoW or such, now you do in in hours. All those thus have wasted their money?
Each game does this, if you know so, why play it in the first place?
And serious, read this startpost:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=1
The approach on the US is insanely different, hmmm what am i doing here? 
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Will it involve ethical visits from ethical men with ethical baseball bats to the unethical homes of unethical farmers?
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Most certainly..erm I mean of course not! We don't do that..I do have a whip at hand though!
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Most certainly..erm I mean of course not! We don't do that..I do have a whip at hand though!
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A lady with a whip..
Kinky!
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I cant see how anyone who's been playing all this time has been wasting their money, they obviously enjoy the game for whatever reason. In an MMO you only really waste your money if you stop enjoying it yet carry on paying, if you do that you're a fool to yourself as there's no reason to be there if you dont like it...note: this is just me speaking into the ether and is not directed at whoever I end up posting beneath. Besides: context is for losers....and people with quicker posting abilities.
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In terms of money many people have wasted months of subscription, if they knew before that they could of done what people are doing now then are probably gutted and feel somewhat robbed of money and time best spent on other games.
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That is part nature of the game. I konw people spend days, weeks, months to reach a certain lvl in WoW or such, now you do in in hours. All those thus have wasted their money?
Each game does this, if you know so, why play it in the first place?
And serious, read this startpost:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=1
The approach on the US is insanely different, hmmm what am i doing here?
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I am trying to see how others can feel. To an extent there will always be farms and PLs but to the current extreme its too much and people can feel that they have wasted time and money depending on their objectives. People have invested in a toon(s) to have fun with or to get a certain thing they've always wanted to prove out of curiousity now its like share prices are down for them and up for anyone "who didn't bother and didn't care" for the game before.
Now that things are so easy I don't feel rushed anymore. I can spend my sub money playing other games. Or now that things are so easy I can be done with the game in very short time and spend my sub money elsewhere. Either way this is how I could see how things are a "Way to kill an MMO".
I personally think those that have been loyal to the content, anti farm or anti PL should knock themselves getting characters done on this issue while it lasts with other characters that were maybe concepts or far future ones. Anyone not accepting a fellow Vet to one of these teams should be named and shamed! Pear shaped I know.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Most certainly..erm I mean of course not! We don't do that..I do have a whip at hand though!
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A lady with a whip..
Kinky!
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If people arent farming MA missions, they'll be farming something else, nerfing the MA system wont solve anything.
Theres always going to be 1 mission or 1 taskforce people will repeat over & over in order to level a toon, save up some infamy/influence...its inevitable.
I suspect if the devs truely & honestly wanted to stop farming they'd need to do something really drastic...however doing something drastic/stopping farming would risk losing alot of subscription fees. For example, they could put level restrictions on every zone, ie you cant enter a zone until your a certain level, or you cant enter a zone until your a certain level..or do something drastic with the sidekick system like limiting the number of levels below that can be sidekicked..
Only something drastic is gonna stop such "easy" leveling, however nerfing MA into oblivion to that it serves no real purpose isnt a good enough solution ie lowering xp or inf to practically nothing isnt gonna work...just means less people are gonna use something that looks like it took alot of time to impliment
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In terms of money many people have wasted months of subscription, if they knew before that they could of done what people are doing now then are probably gutted and feel somewhat robbed of money and time best spent on other games.
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I led a major SG. In the states and here. PLing was banned but i never had complaints. And I can tell you leveling, across 4 SGs was pretty standard and normal. And as far as I know, virtually everyone levelled at a fairly reasonable rate, the odd pler excepted.
This went on for years. What has happened to this game to degenerate like this?
I dont remember anyone wanting to rush their alts particularily. It's like its become a culture now, rather than enjoy the character, just get him up there literally as fast as you can.
When I think I used to deliberately play in debt, to slow the last few levels progress...
What the heck happened to the average players mentality?
I honestly think this is the fault of Inventions, because it is forever forcing you to farm to get the next set enhancement (assuming yo want to get involved in the set IO culture.)
I'd swear this mentality wasn't prevelant before. But now look at it.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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I suspect if the devs truely & honestly wanted to stop farming they'd need to do something really drastic...however doing something drastic/stopping farming would risk losing alot of subscription fees. For example, they could put level restrictions on every zone, ie you cant enter a zone until your a certain level, or you cant enter a zone until your a certain level..or do something drastic with the sidekick system like limiting the number of levels below that can be sidekicked..
Only something drastic is gonna stop such "easy" leveling, however nerfing MA into oblivion to that it serves no real purpose isnt a good enough solution ie lowering xp or inf to practically nothing isnt gonna work...just means less people are gonna use something that looks like it took alot of time to impliment
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Why can't there just be a cap on the amount of XP you can earn in any given hour?
it can't be hard for them to data mine and come up with a fair amount...
They can keep this inf coming if they like but surely xp has to be capped.
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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I've been playing coh for 42 months now, but this is the first time i'm thinking of leaving. Farming has always been an issue, but now it seems it's all people do. It's been getting harder to get a good mission team together for a while now, but since MA it's been almost impossible.
I'm giving them a couple of weeks to try and sort things out, but after that I'm gone.
It's hard to see the game we all love so much turn into something we can't stand.
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After reading some of the suggestions on how to deal with MA, I am so [censored] glad none of you lot are designing this game. Seriously, no offense meant.
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If I were designing this game, we wouldn't have MA in its current destructive form.
However .. The devs have previously dealt with such situations in a particular manner, that may make some suggestions here look positivley benign in comparison.
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