MA farming: The way to kill an MMO
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Posted on: 2009-05-01 12:12 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Hmm is there any way certain mobs can have lowered XP in MA form without reducing their XP outside of the MA.
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If that can happen, it will be bloody awesome.
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After that, I would imagine the only logical thing to do would be to remove XP and Inf from MA missions, or at the very least reduce the reward rate to no higher than 10-20% of normal.
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People can use knives to kill others, so the only logical thing would be to get rid of them completly, or possibly only allow knives to put butter on slices of bread.
If you play MA missions which are not geared towards farming xp, the rewards are already a bit lower than regular missions, since it does not use the patrol xp bonus and there are no xp bonuses for completing an arc.
There is no need to reduce it for legitimate/intended usage, which would certainly kill or reduce the fun of the game for those who like MA but are not interested in farming.
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Hmm is there any way certain mobs can have lowered XP in MA form without reducing their XP outside of the MA.
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As far as I know they have to clone the mob in question, edit the clone and plonk him into the MA list rather than the original. So it's a bit time consuming.
Personally I'd have just removed Comms Officers from the list entirely and only let them appear from choosing "Random Minion". Even as Minions they're weak compared to other Rikti minions.
That would have had the added bonus of culling all the linked Farm maps using them as well.
I can get the equivalent of 2 tf rolls in 15 minutes or less. With some extra for bronze rolls and salvage.
all i like to ask is where are these pl team and farming map as i can never find them
Just fix the "exploits", which they've done (will once patch goes lives), by lowering comms officers exp and making sure every attack set has a range component for the mobs.
So people want to farm, they were doing so before the MA anyway.
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all i like to ask is where are these pl team and farming map as i can never find them
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Cap Au for villains is oddly more popular than Mercy (meaning it's actually quite a long trek for a level 1-4 to make it all the way to the Cap Au AE building and quite a bit dangerous, certainly teach you about aggro range on the way if you're new) or just Atlas for Heroes, hang around at 4-6pm and you'll see teams forming.
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not is you base it from mercy to cap, you almost be there 
Afaik the 'test play' was already nerfed, making all mobs grey (at least for me), next logical step is within reach.
On the other hand, does it really matter? Again, the impact on the EU servers may be alot bigger, but on the US i still do alot 'normal' missions.
I care little for it, in WoW i can do sort alike in probably the same ammount of hours to at least 60, without even touching a mob.
Added, for the 'time', dont forget that linked-characters that dont log in will get all their experience one they log in. This say, if you link 2 and use 1 to get him to 50, the other will be 50 in matter of minutes.
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The worst thing is that new players get sucked into this and thus missing out on the real content. Thinking what, no endgame? And leave.
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And thats good. Better to not have such shortminded people around, and only keep the quality stuff around.
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Folks love to ruin it for themselves.
I joined a team a few days back (i had no idea it was an MA farm then) and when i join they're whining and [censored] about how easy it is to level in MA and so on.
And what are they doing? playing some farm mission over and over...
Fricking hypocrits, deliberatly going out to farm then start whining on how easy it is.
The thing is soon, if not already we will have a load of 50s running around without a clue how their powers work.This isn't a new thing but it's now on the increase.
For example - I teamed with some 50s on Wednesday and was surprised that the tank wasn't charging into mobs taunting and drawing aggro as most of the team were trollers and blasties. So I politely said "why aren't you taunting them?", his reply was......whats taunting? 
Farming has always been here, but lately this is just getting stupid, on Defiant the broadcast channel is full of "LF MA farm tm" messages.
I'll never ever understand farming and I've worked at and enjoyed getting my 50s, I can't see how anyone could enjoy it, unless your a kid who just wants to boast about how many 50s you have.
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Folks love to ruin it for themselves.
I joined a team a few days back (i had no idea it was an MA farm then) and when i join they're whining and [censored] about how easy it is to level in MA and so on.
And what are they doing? playing some farm mission over and over...
Fricking hypocrits, deliberatly going out to farm then start whining on how easy it is.
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LOL! That really made me laugh, Neko. I won't be surprised if we saw MA missions are too easy threads around in near future. 
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For example - I teamed with some 50s on Wednesday and was surprised that the tank wasn't charging into mobs taunting and drawing aggro as most of the team were trollers and blasties. So I politely said "why aren't you taunting them?", his reply was......whats taunting?
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you might find that shocking, but team that i had been playing with didn't like herding or taunting done by my tank nor knew what it was as they like to think steam roll alot fast for aim at anything that moved then garthering them up as a big group and nuke them in one hit
I believe wondering_Fury made the point of that it's bad for new players to be caught in this, they are the kind of people who won't learn their AT especially if all their farms go 'well' and all it takes is following that shield/SS brute or ss/Shield tanker around while they roflstomp the mobs into oblivion, they're not going to learn anything.
Veteran players on the other hand, especially those with who have worked with similar (defender and they're levelling their corruptor) or the exact same classes and actually put the time in to read up on them on the forums in both cases, they're going to be a dab hand at a most ATs they put their mind to (I know that Twilight Grasp isn't just a rez power, it's also an awesome stun and a key -regen power but new players may just read it, see it's a rez, go "Why would I need that...nobody dies!" and leave it out).
Though I STILL can't level a controller...I like to be able to do decent damage solo!
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I believe wondering_Fury made the point of that it's bad for new players to be caught in this, they are the kind of people who won't learn their AT especially if all their farms go 'well' and all it takes is following that shield/SS brute or ss/Shield tanker around while they roflstomp the mobs into oblivion, they're not going to learn anything.
Veteran players on the other hand, especially those with who have worked with similar (defender and they're levelling their corruptor) or the exact same classes and actually put the time in to read up on them on the forums in both cases, they're going to be a dab hand at a most ATs they put their mind to (I know that Twilight Grasp isn't just a rez power, it's also an awesome stun and a key -regen power but new players may just read it, see it's a rez, go "Why would I need that...nobody dies!" and leave it out).
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Howling Twilight. Twilight Grasp is the ToHit, Damage and Regen debuff which also happens to heal people near you 
I've been soloing farm missions for the tickets on my Brute, and managed to completely skip Sharkshead thanks to it. In this case this is a good thing (I frikken hate Sharkshead, it's a graveyard for so many of my alts).
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This is what I get for not sleeping in a 34 hour period...yes I meant Howling twilight
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Folks love to ruin it for themselves.
I joined a team a few days back (i had no idea it was an MA farm then) and when i join they're whining and [censored] about how easy it is to level in MA and so on.
And what are they doing? playing some farm mission over and over...
Fricking hypocrits, deliberatly going out to farm then start whining on how easy it is.
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I completely agree with this if you find something to easy why continue to do it. That's what i don't get about the OP he seems to go out of his way to lvl as quickly as possible and then complains that he lvled to easily 
I agree with Dr_Mechano completely.
In my opinion, farming has been around since it was possibly accessible and do-able. For some, as myself, it gets tiring on villains soloing the same ol' content over and over and over, especially if I just want to see how a combination works out. That's my business, and farming itself is not on the agenda here. MA farming is, and the problem it brings is the excessive exposure to new players, and as quoted above, they don't even know how to PvE... There needs to be a preventative or a combat to reduce the brand shiny new people joining into this somewhat suicidal gameplay, that is for fresh faces.
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So thats the who case? That you get put up with someone who doesnt know his class? He'll get over it.
That people dont play to your 'expectations' (heeeey thats the keyword again), aint really their problem. I love a challenge, i love my blaster on a team where a tank doesnt use taunt. Maximize my effort, dont die and survive, put a strain on the defender, troller needs fulltime locking and scrapper needs to use his defence at high pace. How i love my troller, from damage to control to buffing to healing, each team i never know what i must do, from minute to minute i and changing my 'job'.
Randomness creates chaos, chaos makes fun. What is more boring then a perfect working team, tanker 100% agro, blaster/scrapper does damage, troller locks, defender buffs.. BOOOORINGGGGGG.
And if i dont like it, i leave, surely the next team will be just as interesting.
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I really hope they don't do their usual approach and nerf it into oblivion......
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As Posi said in Pocket D the other day...
"If you feel a nerf is coming, one probably is"
Nerfing into oblivion is pretty much the only way the devs know how to deal with things. They ignore the careful approach and just go in with a chainsaw.
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My main problems with the devs recently have only been how they released too early (ignoring known and reported bugs) an dthen use the dev-nuke to nerf/attack exploits causing collateral damage and undermining what I believe is the intended use of MA - to tell interesting arcs and create extreme challenges for those who thought CoX had become too easy.
So I half-expect an overzealous nerf.
But...
When Posi said the quoted sentence, I believe it was in this exchange (from my prettified chatlogs):
04-28-2009 18:34:00 [Local] Fulcrum: lol, I have to ask - is DM/Regen getting nerfed again anytime soon?
04-28-2009 18:34:16 [Local] Positron: If you feel a nerf is coming... it probably is.
So the quote appeared to be in direct relation to DM/Regen. It may well have been a general throwaway comment - replying generally rather than addressing the specifics of DM/Regen - but it may be seen as a tad unfair to just use the reply without giving the context it was said in.
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Maybe he should think about doing it now Click Me.
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That people dont play to your 'expectations' (heeeey thats the keyword again), aint really their problem. I love a challenge, i love my blaster on a team where a tank doesnt use taunt.
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There's a difference between knowing how to doing it and somehow failing to do so.
And not knowing how to at all..
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For example - I teamed with some 50s on Wednesday and was surprised that the tank wasn't charging into mobs taunting and drawing aggro as most of the team were trollers and blasties. So I politely said "why aren't you taunting them?", his reply was......whats taunting?
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"What's taunting?"!!!
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The worst thing is that new players get sucked into this and thus missing out on the real content. Thinking what, no endgame? And leave.
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Yeah, that's the biggest danger of all IMO.
New players are coming to the game and getting multiple level 50s before their free month is up. The chances of them subbing up when that's over?
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wow who said you had to play the MA? i find it funny that your all saying MA killing the game but if you really look at your answers to slove it your kind of asking to kill the game yourself as your stop people play the way they want to play
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I don't think it's killing the game, exactly. Hence no sub cancellation. Just needs a few tweaks now that it's in game, same as any other game mechanic.
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