Actually, thats not what I said at all. I said we have a good CORE of people. I meant 3 or 4 which leaves 4 spaces open for others. Also I usually end up in a PUG 2 or 3 times a week, and in fact the team I had over the weekend was one of the most enjoyable teams I have been part of, destroying all before us while hurling good natured banter about. Needless to say I added the 2 leaders to the globals list.
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Thing is, this in itself is actually very elitist as you're saying you don't want to play with other people, just the ones you consider to be fun and good to play with.
Elitism goes more than one way. 
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If you had any idea about the amount of PuG's i create and lead to most people's enjoyment then you would not have said that. I think it takes a lot of effort to lead a team and make sure everyone's not only enjoying themselves, but going at a good pace. This includes New players as well as Old. I do my best to make friends everywhere and to help people whenever i can. Any insinuation that i am in any way Elitist is frankly, offensive.
The above is only my opinion, please don't hate me for it
SG: Suicidal Maniacs @Aurealis
GhostRaptor: Server populations have been trending upwards since Issue 13 release. There are no current plans for any server mergers and we're looking forward to Issue 14 and the rest of the year.
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Thing is, this in itself is actually very elitist as you're saying you don't want to play with other people, just the ones you consider to be fun and good to play with.
Elitism goes more than one way.
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If you had any idea about the amount of PuG's i create and lead to most people's enjoyment then you would not have said that. I think it takes a lot of effort to lead a team and make sure everyone's not only enjoying themselves, but going at a good pace. This includes New players as well as Old. I do my best to make friends everywhere and to help people whenever i can. Any insinuation that i am in any way Elitist is frankly, offensive.
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I think you may be taking it a little too personally there. He was merely stating that the particular situation could be seen as elitist too, whether it applies to you too was not his point.
Just my opinion of course, and I'm not a FFM fanboy or anything. (for example i was going to critique his PB to 50 without stam comment but someone beat me to it).
On to the main topic as a whole: The problem here that, although this issue does exist (that is, persons ripping on new players as being n00bs), it exists in all MMOs to some extent. This isn't a CoH problem in my opinion, but a further symptom of Internet Anonymity Syndrome.
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Any insinuation that i am in any way Elitist is frankly, offensive.
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I wasn't. As JawDropper said, I was merely demonstrating that such an attitude can easily be SEEN as being elitist. That's just the way the world goes. You see certain peoples behaviour as elitist, so you made a thread saying so; then you take offense when someone else points out that something YOU do could also be seen as elitist.
See the double standard there?
Oh, and JawDropper.. You're not one of my fanboys? I'm hurt!
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Sure, I'll throw a MAJOR hissy fit whenever I see a VEAT in my team without Tactical Training: Maneuvers. But if I'm leading, I won't kick them. I'll tell them they really really REALLY should get it the next time they level up and get to choose a new power.
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I haven't got it. Level 20 so far and not even looked at it. Anyone that would kick me from a team for not having a power on my character that they think I should have is not someone I would team twice with. My character, my choice.
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Any insinuation that i am in any way Elitist is frankly, offensive.
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I wasn't. As JawDropper said, I was merely demonstrating that such an attitude can easily be SEEN as being elitist. That's just the way the world goes. You see certain peoples behaviour as elitist, so you made a thread saying so; then you take offense when someone else points out that something YOU do could also be seen as elitist.
See the double standard there?
Oh, and JawDropper.. You're not one of my fanboys? I'm hurt!
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There is no double standard because i simply know i am not elitist in anyway shape or form. I don't think myself better than anyone else, i use my knowledge of the game to help others. If i thought i was elitist in anyway then i would not have made this thread because a) that would make me a hypocrite and b) it would not qualify me to make the judgements i have already.
If anything the behaviour your now expressing proves my point that in-fact some people on here are on a high horse and can't express an opinion without throwing around accusations to make themselves feel better
The above is only my opinion, please don't hate me for it
SG: Suicidal Maniacs @Aurealis
GhostRaptor: Server populations have been trending upwards since Issue 13 release. There are no current plans for any server mergers and we're looking forward to Issue 14 and the rest of the year.
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There is no double standard because i simply know i am not elitist in anyway shape or form. I don't think myself better than anyone else, i use my knowledge of the game to help others. If i thought i was elitist in anyway then i would not have made this thread because a) that would make me a hypocrite and b) it would not qualify me to make the judgements i have already.
If anything the behaviour your now expressing proves my point that in-fact some people on here are on a high horse and can't express an opinion without throwing around accusations to make themselves feel better
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And I say again, a little clearer this time. ANYthing one person can do can be seen as elitist by another, and vice versa. As for you being qualified to make such "judgements", why are you any more qualified to make them than anyone else here, including myself? See, again, that's an elitist attitude you're taking there. You can judge people as elitists, but they can't do the same. So who's the elitist?
Don'tcha just LOVE turnabout?
As for me being on a high horse, actually it's quite a low swivel chair, and rather comfy too. I'm no more throwing around accusations than you are; less so in fact because I didn't consider myself qualified to judge other people and call them elitists. You're the one who did that, all by your lonesome.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
I think i am elitist, specially when it comes to costumes. I tend to ridicule those who i think look ridiculous 
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There is no double standard because i simply know i am not elitist in anyway shape or form. I don't think myself better than anyone else, i use my knowledge of the game to help others. If i thought i was elitist in anyway then i would not have made this thread because a) that would make me a hypocrite and b) it would not qualify me to make the judgements i have already.
If anything the behaviour your now expressing proves my point that in-fact some people on here are on a high horse and can't express an opinion without throwing around accusations to make themselves feel better
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And I say again, a little clearer this time. ANYthing one person can do can be seen as elitist by another, and vice versa. As for you being qualified to make such "judgements", why are you any more qualified to make them than anyone else here, including myself? See, again, that's an elitist attitude you're taking there. You can judge people as elitists, but they can't do the same. So who's the elitist?
Don'tcha just LOVE turnabout?
As for me being on a high horse, actually it's quite a low swivel chair, and rather comfy too. I'm no more throwing around accusations than you are; less so in fact because I didn't consider myself qualified to judge other people and call them elitists. You're the one who did that, all by your lonesome.
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lol there is no turnabout your just proving my point. If you actually read what i said, if i was at all elitist in anyway i would not be able to make the judgements i already have because that would make me a hypocrite. It'd be wrong of me to tell others not to do something and be doing it myself. Seeing as i'm not doing it, i have the right to make that judgement, in my opinion.
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I love the fact you said that because it shows everyone how your turning this into a 'i'm better than you and i can get one over on you arguement'. It shows that you among others have this exact attitude towards many on this server just because you have been here longer. You feel that now your established you can treat any opinion like rubbish because noone will say anything to the contrary.
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See, again, that's an elitist attitude you're taking there.
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If that's not a judgement, i don't know what is.
Frankly i didn't want to turn this into an arguement, i've said my bit. Feel free to continue to try and get one over on me. I've made my point and plainly your helping make it for me too. i should be thanking you
The above is only my opinion, please don't hate me for it
SG: Suicidal Maniacs @Aurealis
GhostRaptor: Server populations have been trending upwards since Issue 13 release. There are no current plans for any server mergers and we're looking forward to Issue 14 and the rest of the year.
I never once said I *wasn't* elitist, at least at times. I just think it's hilarious that you're accusing people of such, when you're absolutely NO better at all.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Oh dear gods, is that a bible quote?
No i think its Judge Judy
Let s/he without elisitsm cast the first stone?
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Well, it does have SOME useful passages in it.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
lol You want Elitism jst head over to the Legends threads on Union part of Forum .. What better example than a bunch of ppl who think themselves legends when they are unknown/ignored by massive majority of the game and recognised by only the friends who also put them and themselves up for Legend status!
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Okey dokey. I'm a better stone thrower than you lot anyway.
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Sure, I'll throw a MAJOR hissy fit whenever I see a VEAT in my team without Tactical Training: Maneuvers. But if I'm leading, I won't kick them. I'll tell them they really really REALLY should get it the next time they level up and get to choose a new power.
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I haven't got it. Level 20 so far and not even looked at it. Anyone that would kick me from a team for not having a power on my character that they think I should have is not someone I would team twice with. My character, my choice.
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Yea that was a classic, i was especially impressed with him letting the offending player remain on his team.
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Okey dokey. I'm a better stone thrower than you lot anyway.
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Pffft. You throw like a girl.... OW!
Ok so, you don't. How the hell did you get that across the Irish sea?
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I never once said I *wasn't* elitist, at least at times. I just think it's hilarious that you're accusing people of such, when you're absolutely NO better at all.
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Ya know what ya could do - just let it go - an alien concept on these forums, but theres always a 1st for everything.
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Ya know what ya could do - just let it go - an alien concept on these forums, but theres always a 1st for everything.
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What, and let him get away with falsely accusing people of being elitist? That wouldn't be very elitist of me, would it? 
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Okey dokey. I'm a better stone thrower than you lot anyway.
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Pffft. You throw like a girl.... OW!
Ok so, you don't. How the hell did you get that across the Irish sea?
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It's all a matter of getting the wrist action right.
No, not in that way.
(Yes, on reflection I've decided this thread might have been better off derailed. My many years off l33tdom mean I know of such things.)
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I'm not really meaning to rant, I just genuinely want new people to feel welcome and not have to worry about advanced game systems simply because someone with attitude thinks they should be using them.
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Thing is. CoX is THE most new player friendly MMO on the market, without exception. Try being a newbie in EVE or WoW and see what kind of experience you get.
Personally, I think you're seriously overstating this perceived "problem" of elitism.
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Bit late in the topic, and I haven't read the whole thing yet, but this^ really.
You find morons everywhere, but as a 'veteran' of many games I can honestly say that this is the friendliest gaming comunity as a whole that I have encountered so far.
Even these forums, Doom threads and anti-doom threads (wich are just as bad imo) aside, is one of the better ones.
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My friend is constantly worrying about this sort of stuff, what power to use, how to slot etc. not because she wants to be, but because she's worried what people will say if she doesn't. I'd like to see new players able to relax and just go with the flow at least to begin with rather than worrying about pleasing everyone else.
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Some people should just grow a thicker skin. This is an online game, a place where you are completely anonymous. Why on earth would you worry about what some 'elite' person thinks of you? Does your friend try to please everyone she meets IRL all the time too? Must be really tiring.
@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
Monday morning and this thread now has 13 pages!
Only on weekends folks, only on weekends...
...my way of reminding people of my first post in this thread: Stay away from the forum during weekends, there's always an epic, soon-to-(pyssibly-)be-deleted-thread with loads of off-topic one-liners that brings absolutely nothing to the original discussion, and usually bating people to write something that might result in a (temp) forum ban.
I don't think the problem (elitism) is a major problem in-game, CoX, especially villain side, is very friendly compared to other games I've tried and even with the low amount of players it's way easier to get into a nice team than in other games. The forum however...
...it's gotten better lately imho, the flames have been fewer and toned down, but we're not the most tolerant bunch of people. Some people think it's forbidden to complain (NC/the game), others (like me) can't stop complaining, some people want server mergers and others don't... ...and noone seem to tolerate that others don't agree.
Worst thing is the people that don't like the original post or a good discussion, quickly ruining it with "humourous" posts and oneliners so noone can be bothered to plough through the thread. Old, very efficient technique and I truly hate it.
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Fortunatly we have used Global Friends for Aurealis's friend and also our SG. We now have a tight core of people who team regularly together which makes the game fun. It's all about finding your niche.
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Thing is, this in itself is actually very elitist as you're saying you don't want to play with other people, just the ones you consider to be fun and good to play with.
Elitism goes more than one way.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.