Anyone seen this? New expansion?

Cynic · 08-09-2008 11:49 AM

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I wonder how a Spy AT would work?

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Nightmarer · 08-09-2008 11:54 AM

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I wonder how a Spy AT would work?

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You going to roll one if available?

Wolfesbane · 08-09-2008 12:21 PM

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Wasn't City of Spies suggested a long, long, long time ago as the fabled 3rd Expansion before it got canned/Emmert buggered off?

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I believe Emmert called it 'City of Shadows', but yeah.. it was on the cards for donkeys.. it would be nice, although it was meant to be a whole new game (Well, aspect in the sense that CoH/V share the same engine, just different viewpoints).

Love the idea of going rogue, although I dunno if I could do it with my main, he's just not meant to be evil at all! Still.. if it meant you could get more badges... we'd have to watch Golden Girl go mad not wanting to turn to the darkness whilst craving those shinies...

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Myopic Aardvark · 08-09-2008 12:23 PM

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Love the idea of going rogue, although I dunno if I could do it with my main, he's just not meant to be evil at all! Still.. if it meant you could get more badges... we'd have to watch Golden Girl go mad not wanting to turn to the darkness whilst craving those shinies...

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Kerensky_EU · 08-09-2008 12:50 PM

We do, don't we?

Myopic Aardvark · 08-09-2008 12:51 PM

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We do, don't we?

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This thread, for example? (And when did you start calling yourself "The masses"?)

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Myopic Aardvark · 08-09-2008 01:02 PM

The moral compass is an intriguing idea. Would it add a layer of KOTOR/Mass Effect style subtlety to the game or would it just annoy people who couldn't get access to missions because they spent the first 30 levels bouncing cars off of people's heads?

And which is more likely?

"Sorry, I must decline your mission because I am trying to attain the ultimate dark powers."

or

"No wai! Not doing ur mish, u not unlocking my morals!" (this should be an immediate swing to the left on any meter)

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Dr_Toerag · 08-09-2008 01:08 PM

Hang on, hang on.....
Are you lot saying that you haven't got "Spy" as an AT available?
You apparently need to have a 50 HEAT and a 50 VEAT and a forum title....I've said too much .

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Kerensky_EU · 08-09-2008 01:09 PM

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We do, don't we?

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This thread, for example? (And when did you start calling yourself "The masses"?)

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Since I last checked my weight.

With "We" I really meant "City of Heroes". I'm still a huge fan of the game; and since meeting the Dev team in person, I am convinced that whatever they are planning is going to be rock-solid.

But yes, let us know what you guys think about what you heard / read so far, so we can feed that into the discussion as the European point-of-view.

We have been given the full reassurance of NorCal that we do have an impact on what is going to happen to the game. They want to hear our feedback.

Xemulas · 08-09-2008 01:09 PM

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Ten Universal Enhancement Slots are available to be earned in the expansion, and each one has the potential of adding significant power to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots.

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This worries me a great deal.

Myopic Aardvark · 08-09-2008 01:15 PM

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Ten Universal Enhancement Slots are available to be earned in the expansion, and each one has the potential of adding significant power to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots.

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This worries me a great deal.

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Yeah, sounds like it'd have quite an impact on PvP, if not PvE.

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Ravenswing · 08-09-2008 01:20 PM

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We have been given the full reassurance of NorCal that we do have an impact on what is going to happen to the game. They want to hear our feedback.

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Hey, Kerensky, I have this bridge in Brooklyn I heard you might be interested in buying...

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PRAF68_EU · 08-09-2008 01:23 PM

What's to discuss anyway? Everything mentioned sounds good. Do they want to know how much we would pay for it?

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Ravenswing · 08-09-2008 01:24 PM

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What's to discuss anyway? Everything mentioned sounds good. Do they want to know how much we would pay for it?

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Actually, I think that's exactly the point. The two options being:

a) nothing more than our subs, or
b) some.

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Myopic Aardvark · 08-09-2008 01:25 PM

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But yes, let us know what you guys think about what you heard / read so far, so we can feed that into the discussion as the European point-of-view.

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Not the European pov, but my own

Just based on these points:

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1.) New high level Space Station Zones (PVE, PVP, & Co-op)

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Yes please, with the story of it tied into The Coming Storm

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2.) Characters that do not wish to change sides are rewarded by becoming exemplary heroes or villains, and earning rewards not available any other way

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Is this fixed? Can you change your mind later? Will that require a respec?

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3.) Heroes and villains who go to the other side can also act as Double-Agents

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Really? Sounds intriguing but has to be handled in such a way that it either offers something new or doesn't preclude anything old.

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4.) Character Creator 2.0 includes Powers Customization, allowing players to customize not only the character, but also the actual look of its powers

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Hell yes! Bring it!

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5.) Players undertake missions that define their character's morality and steer them in a more heroic or villainous direction

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Using existing missions? Maybe not. Rewritten missions with branching choices? Yes please.

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6.) By switching sides (going from good to bad or bad to good), players can access content "on the other side" (heroes can experience villain zones and content, and villains can experience hero zones and content)

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Not sure how this will tie in with rewritten stuff, but does sound promising from a personal story pov.

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7.) Completely new low-level player experience/zones for new characters in which new characters do not begin a hero or villain, rather become one or the other through early gameplay

8.) New Spy Archetype, Power Sets & Costumes

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These two sound linked.

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9.) Universal Enhancement Slots - at level 50, these enhance powers to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots

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Would need to see if it follows the old mantra of isn't necessary, but is nice to have from a PvE pov.

I like the mission creator screen. Seems fairly simple and intuitive. I'd like to see that asap.

As for whether it's a new Issue or a paid for expansion, it doesn't bother me either way. I'll happily pay for any 2 items from that last, although I'd prefer all of them.

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Zortel · 08-09-2008 01:28 PM

If I've been willing to buy the FFXI expansions, and the WoW Expansion (soon to be Expansions) and the expansions for my single player games, I'm MORE than willing to buy them for CoH/V!

39 months here, dudes. I may take breaks, but I've played this game longer consistently than any other!

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Xemulas · 08-09-2008 01:31 PM

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Ten Universal Enhancement Slots are available to be earned in the expansion, and each one has the potential of adding significant power to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots.

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This worries me a great deal.

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Yeah, sounds like it'd have quite an impact on PvP, if not PvE.

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Not only that, but the idea of 'badges' being rewarded for PCC arcs (as dave mentioned earlier, if not done well, will become a monopoly), is silly. Badges ingame atm are available to all players, all archetypes, with the right workaround/team/players. Badges based on PERSONAL OPINION of the entire playerbase, and REAL LIFE WRITING TALENT, is total [censored]. Extra unlockables (such as sig heroes) to use in further PCC arcs is enough of an incentive for those who enjoy that kind of thing
also restricting some depending on 'morality compass'- is an absolute nightmare for badgers. I have very strong concepts for my characters, and I simply do not want to break them to earn more badges...(but badges are *my* endgame, catch 22 etc...)

This seems extremely counter to the clear cut feel and atmosphere of each game, and I really do think the most extreme variants of this are best saved for a sequal.

But that's the badger in me talking. The rational person in me still thinks most of it is way too ambitious. The UEBERMEPLZ slots are a very very bad idea...STF/LRSF/LGTF/ITF become *even* easier, and there will be an invisible discrepency between level 50 players, leading to more reluctancy to allow PuG people into teams, and a certain discrimination.

Scarlet Shocker · 08-09-2008 01:31 PM

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Zortel · 08-09-2008 01:33 PM

I wonder if Spy AT's could go and tamper with Malta Gun Turrets?

Operations Engineer: Spy sappin' my sentry!

... I'll get my coat.

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FloatingFatMan · 08-09-2008 01:47 PM

Hey Kerensky!

You want our thoughts? OK, here's mine.

I want EVERYTHING on that list! As soon as possible! ESPECIALLY all the stuff listed for the mission creator!

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cryonic_EU · 08-09-2008 01:48 PM

It generally all sounds like good stuff.

To me the most interesting part is suggesting that new alts would start as neutral and become heroes or villains through their actions, though probably in my case by the time I got to 50 I'd still be a damn neutral fence sitter.

Myopic Aardvark · 08-09-2008 01:52 PM

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To me the most interesting part is suggesting that new alts would start as neutral and become heroes or villains through their actions, though probably in my case by the time I got to 50 I'd still be a damn neutral fence sitter.

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Well I'd imagine a Merc would stick right down the middle, depending on who paid the most. Then again, one might say that'd shift his morality meter anyway.

(And who's morals would it be based on anyway?)

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PRAF68_EU · 08-09-2008 02:17 PM

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To me the most interesting part is suggesting that new alts would start as neutral and become heroes or villains through their actions, though probably in my case by the time I got to 50 I'd still be a damn neutral fence sitter.

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Well I'd imagine a Merc would stick right down the middle, depending on who paid the most. Then again, one might say that'd shift his morality meter anyway.

(And who's morals would it be based on anyway?)

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Valkryst suggested something like this a couple of weeks ago.

Original thread.

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bluedarky · 08-09-2008 02:18 PM

Excuse me, I have to go and build a time machine to avoid waiting for all this.

BurningFist_EU · 08-09-2008 02:20 PM

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Excuse me, I have to go and build a time machine to avoid waiting for all this.

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