Official Going Rogue Discussion

Techbot Alpha · 01-16-2010 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rial_Vestro

Your reasoning skills are flawed and so are your comprehention skills.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger

GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Chad Gulzow-Man · 01-16-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rial_Vestro

You didn't understand a word I said did you?

Man, ain't nobody understand the words that are comin' outta yo' mouth!

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"From" states the mesurement of time (mesurment of time being what you just described) not "between".

Between neither the start or end point are counted. Think of like a sandwitch... You got August(a slice of bread) September(a slice of cheese) October(more cheese) November(Bread). A sandwitch is just a bunch of ingrediants "between" 2 slices of bread but you don't count the bread as being "between" the bread.

Except that the bread isn't the entire month of August and November, but specific dates within those months... namely the 15th of each.

You're clinging to a semantic argument now to cover for the fact that you have nothing left of your original argument. Do everyone a favor and either drop it, or PM me to continue this discussion so as not to further derail the thread.

Alternately, check this article, especially point #4. That's what you're doing.

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White Hot Flash · 01-16-2010 05:13 PM

Others have shot down the rest of your argument, Rial, so I'll just focus on this one part:

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This is a major reward for such a minor accomplishment

If you consider the fact that the only people who haven't gotten into beta by this point will be the players that a) didn't bother paying their sub between the dates in question or b) don't play anymore, the reward isn't so major anymore. I only have 4 years in this game and couldn't go to the Con, so I'll have to wait till this wave to get into beta. I don't consider it major at all if I'm not much different than just about everyone else.

Your mountain just got trampled by a fat mole.

And learn to spell, please. It makes you sound more intelligent.

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Hydrofoil_Zero · 01-17-2010 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash

Others have shot down the rest of your argument, Rial, so I'll just focus on this one part:

If you consider the fact that the only people who haven't gotten into beta by this point will be the players that a) didn't bother paying their sub between the dates in question or b) don't play anymore, the reward isn't so major anymore. I only have 4 years in this game and couldn't go to the Con, so I'll have to wait till this wave to get into beta. I don't consider it major at all if I'm not much different than just about everyone else.

Your mountain just got trampled by a fat mole.

And learn to spell, please. It makes you sound more intelligent.

Hows that? I payed for the monthes in question got the badge and am still not part of the beta I think your calculations have gone wrong somewhere.

Dispari · 01-17-2010 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrofoil_Zero

Hows that? I payed for the monthes in question got the badge and am still not part of the beta I think your calculations have gone wrong somewhere.

It's hard to be in a beta that hasn't started yet.

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StormSurvivor · 01-17-2010 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrofoil_Zero

Hows that? I payed for the monthes in question got the badge and am still not part of the beta I think your calculations have gone wrong somewhere.

I believe Flash meant "those that still aren't eligible for Beta".

Attache · 01-17-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rial_Vestro

You didn't understand a word I said did you?

"From" states the mesurement of time (mesurment of time being what you just described) not "between".

Between neither the start or end point are counted. Think of like a sandwitch... You got August(a slice of bread) September(a slice of cheese) October(more cheese) November(Bread). A sandwitch is just a bunch of ingrediants "between" 2 slices of bread but you don't count the bread as being "between" the bread.

This is completely off-topic but I'd think about getting your cholesterol checked. If you're doubling up on cheese every time you make a sandwich, you might not make it to Beta!

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Golden Girl · 01-18-2010 06:25 PM

Somehting I was thinking of - I wonder what nightime will look like in Praetoria? With dynamic shadows and no war walls to provide a glow, it might be quite dark in the places away from the street lights, which would be cool.

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Thirty-Seven · 01-18-2010 10:02 PM

I am greatly looking forward to the start of Beta. I can't wait to see what things look like... and also point out flaws in grammar and costume parts.

Chad Gulzow-Man · 01-18-2010 10:29 PM

Maybe Posi will help me celebrate my birthday by tossing us a few scraps of Going Rogue info today?

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Hydrofoil_Zero · 01-20-2010 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Somehting I was thinking of - I wonder what nightime will look like in Praetoria? With dynamic shadows and no war walls to provide a glow, it might be quite dark in the places away from the street lights, which would be cool.

Fortunately most heroes seem to be self illuminating. :P

bzald · 01-20-2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Somehting I was thinking of - I wonder what nightime will look like in Praetoria? With dynamic shadows and no war walls to provide a glow, it might be quite dark in the places away from the street lights, which would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Hydrofoil_Zero

Fortunately most heroes seem to be self illuminating. :P

LOL that must come in handy when your heroes looses some keys

yes Golden Girl i never though of that it should prove very interesting but don't they have streetlights?

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TeamSG1 · 01-20-2010 11:47 AM

Breaking out of the above discussion about loyalty time the I agree the the Tiers s/b
1) Friends/Family (Of Staff)
2) 60+ Months Vetrans (Beacuse most have been here since beginning of game)
3) Hero-Con attendees (This gives some newcomers a chance at an early start)
4) Loyalty Program Participants (Just becasue they took the time to either reacivate their account or activated an account for this purpose)
5) Pre-Order accounts

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Dystrophy · 01-22-2010 02:35 PM

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So I'll just throw in some random speculation in here because I feel like that AND YOU CANNOT STOP ME.

So remember how with, I think Issue 13, missions suddenly got Hero and Villain tags? By now it's pretty obvious they added that for Going Rogue stuffs.

So Paragon City has only heroic and neutral missions, the Rogue Isles have only villainous and neutral missions, the Rikti War Zone has only neutral missions, and if Cimeroa has heroic and villainous missions, I don't remember if they do, they'd be given by Daedalus and Sister Airlia respectively.

In other words, heroes can't do villainous missions, and villains can't do heroic missions. They simply aren't there for them. How would they be able to, anyway? Pick a purse in Paragon City, and the local hero population will send you to the zig whereas doing anything to improve the morale and living conditions in the Rogue Isles will get you the wrath of Arachnos and probably every enterprising villain around.

So my assumption is that in Praetoria, heroes actually CAN do villainous missions, and villains can do heroic missions. There's probably be a meter or something that'll move up and down depending on how the mission is tagged, and if you do enough missions with the opposite tag, you'll eventually lose access to your previous faction while simultaneously gaining access to your new one.

'course, I might be wrong, but it seems plausible given the information at hand.

maybe we will get a real live pvp server. world pvp anyone? better yet, pre-i13 world pvp. in my opinion, if that hasn't been considered and/or addressed with Going Rogue it would be a critical failing on the part of the developers.

hopefully we'll get the IoP system back as well? and hopefully we'll get an expanded base editor along with base raids too........ HOPEFULLY we'll get a deffinitive fix to all the half finished systems that are currently plaguing this once truely awesome mmo....... hopefully.

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Bad_Dog · 01-22-2010 05:52 PM

Anyone else have questions after reading the Emperor Cole Bio?

A invuln/ss tanker solo'd Hamidon? Either its a pack of lies....

OR...... it happened before the ED nerfs. :P

Chad Gulzow-Man · 01-22-2010 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad_Dog

Anyone else have questions after reading the Emperor Cole Bio?

A invuln/ss tanker solo'd Hamidon? Either its a pack of lies....

OR...... it happened before the ED nerfs. :P

About 22 years before, yes.

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Rial_Vestro · 01-23-2010 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Attache

This is completely off-topic but I'd think about getting your cholesterol checked. If you're doubling up on cheese every time you make a sandwich, you might not make it to Beta!

That made me laugh. But um... how offten do you think I make sandwitches? Not that there isn't a million other reasons for my poor health issues.

Manslayer · 01-23-2010 06:46 PM

Wishfull thinking for Going Rogue

-I hope its a stand alone game with lvl 1-50 content.... maybe 1-40 at launch with 41-50 later on. That's how City of Villains began so why not?

-I want to be able to choose any AT at character creation when creating a Rogue with the exception of Hero and Villain Epic AT's. I would like to see one or two new Going Rogue exclusive AT... Spy AT's that can go anywhere in the COH universe regardless of their alignment. No one knows exactly whose side a spy is on anyway.

-Alignment changing missions should only be available on Praetorian Earth. Anyone who doesn't buy the expansion has no access to them. When Rogues from Praetorian Earth come to our earth, IE Paragon City or Rogue Isles, they are restricted to whatever side is most appropriate for their alignment when they crossed over. Alternately existing Heroes and Villains should have to go to Praetorian Earth to change their alignment.

-I hope the zones in Praetorian Earth are more than just revamped copies of existing zones. I know it's a parallel world but is it too much to ask for a little originality.

-While on Praetorian Earth your alignment should only be known by you. Heroes and Villains can team together but there should be no way to tell whose a hero and whose a villain unless you state it yourself, and even then you could lie and they'll never know. Missions designed to be heroic can be sabotaged so the alignment shift toward heroic is less than what it should have been, and the one who sabotaged the mission will have an alignment shift toward villain. Same for villain missions.

Thirty-Seven · 01-23-2010 09:06 PM

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-I hope its a stand alone game with lvl 1-50 content.... maybe 1-40 at launch with 41-50 later on. That's how City of Villains began so why not?

It is confirmed to be at least 1-20. And with Posi working on the "End Game Strike Team" it will likely have 45+ content as well. Something tells me it may not have much in the way of content in between 21 and 44 though.

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-I want to be able to choose any AT at character creation when creating a Rogue with the exception of Hero and Villain Epic AT's.

Confirmed. This is the exact situation as I understand it.

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I would like to see one or two new Going Rogue exclusive AT... Spy AT's that can go anywhere in the COH universe regardless of their alignment. No one knows exactly whose side a spy is on anyway.

It is rumored to include the Spy AT based on that ages old Marketing Survey... but that is as far as it goes: a rumor. Personally? I think there will be 2 new ATs one as a slightly more heroic one, and one a tad more villainous. I assume that they would like to keep things balanced (with respect to number of ATs) now that they are.

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-Alignment changing missions should only be available on Praetorian Earth. Anyone who doesn't buy the expansion has no access to them. When Rogues from Praetorian Earth come to our earth, IE Paragon City or Rogue Isles, they are restricted to whatever side is most appropriate for their alignment when they crossed over. Alternately existing Heroes and Villains should have to go to Praetorian Earth to change their alignment.

I disagree with you, but it is likely to be the situation. No definite answer on this yet. Perhaps, Soon.

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-I hope the zones in Praetorian Earth are more than just revamped copies of existing zones. I know it's a parallel world but is it too much to ask for a little originality.

Judging by the Hero Con video... they (and I do mean plural, that is confirmed as well) will be totally new, and totally unique.

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-While on Praetorian Earth your alignment should only be known by you. Heroes and Villains can team together but there should be no way to tell whose a hero and whose a villain unless you state it yourself, and even then you could lie and they'll never know. Missions designed to be heroic can be sabotaged so the alignment shift toward heroic is less than what it should have been, and the one who sabotaged the mission will have an alignment shift toward villain. Same for villain missions.

An interesting idea, but something tells me your alignment, just like your AT and origin are currently, will be visible to all.

Kierthos · 01-24-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad_Dog

Anyone else have questions after reading the Emperor Cole Bio?

A invuln/ss tanker solo'd Hamidon? Either its a pack of lies....

OR...... it happened before the ED nerfs. :P

He's not just a tanker. The Marcus Cole of Praetorian Earth is an Incarnate, just like Statesman.

MrMountie · 01-24-2010 03:03 PM

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He's not just a tanker. The Marcus Cole of Praetorian Earth is an Incarnate, just like Statesman.

I would have thought so, too. His profile on the Going Rogue site, however, lists him as a magic origin tanker.

StormSurvivor · 01-24-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Manslayer

Wishfull thinking for Going Rogue

-I hope its a stand alone game with lvl 1-50 content.... maybe 1-40 at launch with 41-50 later on. That's how City of Villains began so why not?

While I too would love for this, Going Rogue has been advertised as an expansion that will require Coh or CoV. Whereas CoV was advertised as this odd 'expanshalone' thing. As I say though, would certainly be nice.

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-I want to be able to choose any AT at character creation when creating a Rogue with the exception of Hero and Villain Epic AT's. I would like to see one or two new Going Rogue exclusive AT... Spy AT's that can go anywhere in the COH universe regardless of their alignment. No one knows exactly whose side a spy is on anyway.

Can we just clear it up that Praetorian =/= Rogue? A praetorian will be a new, neutral (at least at first) character that starts in Praetoria, and can be any of the ten base ATs. A rogue is an ex-villain in the grey moral-ground. Once again I agree with you. What I do not agree on however, is the idea of a spy AT. Why should a spy be limited to the same primary/secondary structure as other ATs? Why can't my Grav/kin controller be a spy? While I do think the idea of spies and working undercover should definitely be involved, I think it should be a method of flavouring a regular character rather than a seperate AT.

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-Alignment changing missions should only be available on Praetorian Earth. Anyone who doesn't buy the expansion has no access to them. When [Praetorians] from Praetorian Earth come to our earth, IE Paragon City or Rogue Isles, they are restricted to whatever side is most appropriate for their alignment when they crossed over. Alternately existing Heroes and Villains should have to go to Praetorian Earth to change their alignment.

I pretty much agree with this, while keeping in mind that rogues/vigilantes will have access to either side, so Praetorians with similar alignments should get the same privileges. While I think that lots of morality-missions should take place in Praetoria (god, what an ethical mess), I don't see why they can't add some morality-missions to Paragon or the Isles. Of course, they should be restricted to those that buy the expansion, but they may as well stick some around.

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-I hope the zones in Praetorian Earth are more than just revamped copies of existing zones. I know it's a parallel world but is it too much to ask for a little originality.

Definitely. From what I've heard, it's confirmed. Also, I'm not sure, but I don't think the place we'll be visiting is the praetorian version of Paragon City. I think it's a different city entirely.

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-While on Praetorian Earth your alignment should only be known by you. Heroes and Villains can team together but there should be no way to tell whose a hero and whose a villain unless you state it yourself, and even then you could lie and they'll never know. Missions designed to be heroic can be sabotaged so the alignment shift toward heroic is less than what it should have been, and the one who sabotaged the mission will have an alignment shift toward villain. Same for villain missions.

I can see where you're heading with it, and it isn't bad. It just isn't something I'd like or expect. Only personal taste, though.

Overall, some nice suggestions.

Kierthos · 01-24-2010 11:19 PM

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I would have thought so, too. His profile on the Going Rogue site, however, lists him as a magic origin tanker.

Yeah, but he drank from the Well of Furies. That pretty much makes him an Incarnate.

Gaspard · 01-25-2010 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Manslayer

Wishfull thinking for Going Rogue

-I hope its a stand alone game with lvl 1-50 content.... maybe 1-40 at launch with 41-50 later on. That's how City of Villains began so why not?

Hell yeah, that's my one true concern with this expansion. I'm worried that there's only low-level content in Praetoria, although I want to stay in faith that there'd be missions/TFs for my lvl 50's aswell.

Golden Girl · 01-26-2010 12:11 AM

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Hell yeah, that's my one true concern with this expansion. I'm worried that there's only low-level content in Praetoria, although I want to stay in faith that there'd be missions/TFs for my lvl 50's aswell.

Unless they're planning for anyone over 20 to have to exemplar if they want to go rogue, then there has to be some sort of 20+ content in GR.

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