Official Going Rogue Discussion

The idea being expressed is that something we see as technology, a more primitive species would see as 'magic', simply because the technology is beyond their understanding, and when that happens, it gets put in the magic category. Most cavemen probably saw the the first guy who started using fire as some sort of crazy wizard. And when they saw lightining bolts, it was the gods getting pissed off because mookie was being mean to thog. We have used magic to accept things we don't understand throughout our history.

This topic always made me think of an interesting explanation for the gods, maybe for a sci-fi movie... lol. Maybe the legendary 'gods', zeus and whoever, were actually alien beings who were just hanging out on earth and playing with us monkeys. And all their god-like powers were just the result of their advanced technology and ancient man's inability to understand them. Maybe these alien 'gods' actually did create us, but not by using magic, by using science and advanced technology. The stargate movie kind of touched on this idea with the egyptian side of things.

Dude, unless you have two accounts, you only need to buy one or the other. Relax.

(I'd spend the extra $10 for the Complete Collection, since it seems to have a month of game time included.)

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

1. Your reasoning is kinda backwards. Your useing science mistaken for Magic to exsplain Magic mistaken for technoligy.

The Excalibur for one thing is just a sword, there's nothing different about it from any other sword other than the legend claiming it's magical origins so how can the Excalibur be mistaken for Magic when it was nothing that hasn't been seen before?

2. Your idea for the Gods being Aliens is nothing new.

I'm sure there are others but I know on Star Gate it was exsplained that the Norse Gods were really aliens. Thor is one of the main characters who is a suprisingly small alien for someone who was worshiped by the Vikings.

3. Magic is of course fictional but this is a fictional world we're talking about and Magic is real in that world. There's no reason we need to use real life ideas of what appears Magical but really isn't in a world where Magic is as real as the developers want it to be.

We have Magic Origins that are seperate from Science and Technoligy. We wouldn't have a seperate origin for Magic if it was as fake in the game world as it is in the real world.

Try some Lovecraft

*holds up "We Don't Know" sign*

Of all the things that have been hinted at, and of all the questions that the Devs answered at Hero Con... this was not one of them, and as such, remains to be seen.

I soooo wish I knew though. My gut feeling is that either a third type of pool will be created that will include all 11 ATs that have access to an Epic/Patron or 2 new pools will be created: a hero Patron pool and a villain epic pool.

I actually really want the second, but I don't know. It may just be that a solution along the lines of the markets is put into place.

My hope is that they create patrons for heroes/vigilantes and regular epics for villains/rogues. This would have the following advantages:
* Everyone would have equal access to epic powers
* Everyone would have a pool of immediately accessible epics, as well as earnable ones
* More choices for things that don't currently exist, like fire or psi epics for villainous ATs

Unfortunately this also has the following disadvantages:
* Would be the most work out of just about all possible solutions
* Probably lots of difficult to circumvent overlap
* Probably not going to happen

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

LOL, I'm not 'useing' backwards reasoning. I was simply talking about scientific explanations for what we perceive as 'magic', nothing more.

And excalibur is a myth, unless you've got access to some evidence I've never seen to prove it existed. But say it was an actual sword that some chick in a lake handed off to some medieval dude, and it could 'magically' be thrust into solid stone. That's not a regular sword, it's either magical, or maybe it was just perceived as magical by the medieval dipshits who thought you could cure cancer by bleeding people, when in fact it was simply advanced technology passed on by an alien lake chick for reasons unknown. Obviously, in reality, it's just a damn story, but if you were writing about it as if it were reality, an author would consider those two explanations as potentially viable.

I didn't claim it was new, I even mentioned that the idea was used in stargate...

I wasn't arguing that you can't have magic in a fantasy world...

My hope is that after preordering it, the devs would at least start releasing more details at this point.

While there are parts of the story that are obviously works of pure fiction as there are multiple different versions of the story I do belive the original story however old that may be to be grounded in fact.

That is to say, though I can't remember what the correct termanoligy is at this point, the story has been told so many times and so many different ways threwout history that it no longer holds much if any historical fact.

Simply put, while the events described are completly fictional, there's no reason the characters could not have been based on real people. Stories about giants for instance have spawned characters like our own Jack of Irons. However in reality it has been said that the so called "giants" of that time period were actully no bigger than today's baskit ball players. Even I would be considered a giant at 6'4". Basically terms like giant, oger, and other such fictional creatures were actully just derogatory names used to describe people of abouve average hight. The same could probly be said about Elfs, dwarfs, and other mythical little people. These terms are still used though rarely to describe people of different hights but now the words are taken from the stories. People have probly just forgotten that the words spawned the stories in the first place.

Honestly there are stories that people STILL belive are completly true however I'm not getting into that on the fourms. If you really wanna go there PM me.

And not everything that percived as magic has anything to do with science or technoligy. Most of todays magic for example is mostly slight of hand and distraction. There's even a few card tricks that are nothing more than simple math. But the thing is even though we know it's fake, we still can percive it as magic when we don't know how the trick is done.

I have to agree with you on all accounts Dispari. I also wish they would come out with a Villain Blaster AT and a Hero Mastermind AT to help balance things out. After all we already have:

Tank - Brute
Scrapper - Stalker
Defender - Corruptor
Controller - Dominator

Somehow though a Blaster just does not equal out to a Mastermind and vice versa. I would also like to see Villains allowed into the Shardow Shard in GR.

I do have to say though, I think that GR was intended to help equal out the whole mismatched ATs and unequal zones arguements as well as adding a whole new dimension to the game itself.

Actually, the pairing works as following:

Blaster <-> Stalker
Controller <-> Dominator
Defender <-> Corruptor
Scrapper <-> Brute
Tanker <-> Mastermind

Seriously, I'm not making this up, those are the counterparts the developers had in mind while creating the base Villain ATs. Blasters and Stalkers are both high-damage burst ATs that need to take precautions against being spiked into the ground (Blasters are ranged obviously, and Stalkers are intended for a "hit and run" playstyle), and the primary goal of both Tankers and MMs is to minimize the amount of aggro the rest of your team suffers (Bodyguard mode was added after release to help people get more into this mindset, as people were originally tending to play them as a sort of Defender/Blaster hybrid).

That's not to say that any AT has to be played to the developers' intent--you can easily make an "Offender" out of a Defender that's more focused on damage than buff/debuff powers, or a "Blapper" out of a Blaster that stands toe to toe with everything and punches them into a fine paste. If you want to play your MM where you stand waaaay back and repeatedly sacrifice your pets until everything is dead, without getting anywhere near the fray yourself, you can still do that, and you can certainly build a Stalker that never leaves the fray after the first strike.

And hell yes times infinity on letting Villains into the Shadow Shard already, but not as part of Going Rogue--it should be part of an issue that's available to every subscriber.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

I have been wondering about this myself and so far I have not found any answers. Not even the hint to an answer. It would make sense but would also cost them money in that people are not buying more slots. So all in all, I would say prbably not. If anyone else finds an answer to this though please post it AND throw me a PM.

The logical thing to do would be to increase the max slots to 48 and give GR buyers +4 slots. That's sort of what happened with CoV.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

I agree with you there Dispari, increasing available character slots to 48 and giving current players four slots would seem to be appropriate. But it still costs the company money in the long run to give out free slots. I do believe however that if they do ever decide to start merging servers (I know it is just a rumor right now) that they will do this in order to appease players. We shall see though, since nothing has been mentioned yet I think we can see the writing on the wall.

...is there anything more to these "rumors" now then there ever have been? I mean, that's all that type of thing has ever been... and I haven't seen as many posts about it recently as have occurred in the past around certain events. So, I guess what I am asking is why bother to make special comment regarding "now" unless something about the status quo regarding a merge has changed? Do you know something we don't??

Actually Thirty-Seven, I had put that in there so that people wouldn't jump all over me for bring up unsubstantiated rumors. Seems even when I try to diffuse that kind of action before hand someone will get annoyed anyways though and have to comment in some way. And no I do not lay any claims to "Special Knowledge".

I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it, its just that your wording seemed to imply to me that somehow you were saying a merge was somehow immenent... saying "it is just a rumor right now" instead of something more dismissive.