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Though there may well be a different Well of the Furies in Praetorian Earth, right? Or is there some bit of lore there that I'm not filled in on?
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Originally Posted by Siergen
As I recall, he was not even an average d00d either. He was slowly dying from lung damage caused by exposure to poison gas in World War I when he drank from the Well.
I also seem to recall that the Well was either drained completely or destroyed at that time, so it'd be kind of hard for a player to drink from it today. Note: it's been a couple years since I read the novel, so I may be mistaken about that... |
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Originally Posted by MrMountie
Though there may well be a different Well of the Furies in Praetorian Earth, right? Or is there some bit of lore there that I'm not filled in on?
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Do you really think "Mender Nemesis" would let us go back to that place and time? |
Originally Posted by Dispari
Also why has nobody mentioned how trivial it is for to go back in time to a point where the well is still active?
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He's not the only person to offer time travel. |
Originally Posted by Siergen
Do you really think "Mender Nemesis" would let us go back to that place and time?
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Probably not, but the Midnight Squad with their devotion to wiping out the Rikti and keeping the world safe from arcane forces? If they had a few hundred Incarnates on their side that'd sure make things easier for them.|
Originally Posted by Siergen
Do you really think "Mender Nemesis" would let us go back to that place and time?
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Though I don't actually think it'll be part of things, I don't think there are any serious reasons it can't be either, as far as that goes. Lots of ways it could be brought into things with some creative story-telling.
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True, but it was in the 20's when it was opened. Pretty sure it's gathering it's powers again now though.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
The box is invulnerable. It's just empty.
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Maybe we could go into the FUTURE when it's all powered up again lol
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Two-fold, I would guess:
1) The Well of the Furies is magical in nature. 2) We may not be getting an Incarnate Origin in the near future (or ever) and so they don't want to even have to deal with the "hey look, Tyrant is an Incarnate too... maybe we will get that in GR." |
if i rem did positron say that going rogue will be the last time you hear of Incarnates not sure what that means it was in one of the hero con videos i think.
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Actually, when I read the novel I got the impression that it was an extremely advanced technological device of some sort. Of course, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Two-fold, I would guess:
1) The Well of the Furies is magical in nature. 2) We may not be getting an Incarnate Origin in the near future (or ever) and so they don't want to even have to deal with the "hey look, Tyrant is an Incarnate too... maybe we will get that in GR." |
Playing as an Incarnate would be incredibly cool. Not sure how it would work, however. Since GR is an expansion, it is highly unlikely that they will have their own EA's, but if they wanted to add EA's, I could see it happening.
For end game content, it could become a title of some sort, changing your begining origin to "incarnate" and possibly granting some sort of bonus or power.
All of the above is highly unlikely, but one can dream right?
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That's only according to Stefan Richter in the book.|
Originally Posted by Cassandra
Actually, when I read the novel I got the impression that it was an extremely advanced technological device of some sort. Of course, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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It's pretty clear that it is magic from the rest of the book though so I'm a little confused how you came to your conclussion?
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Originally Posted by Funnyhalo
Playing as an Incarnate would be incredibly cool. Not sure how it would work, however. Since GR is an expansion, it is highly unlikely that they will have their own EA's, but if they wanted to add EA's, I could see it happening.
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Well, since I play mostly red-side, I take his account as authoritative. :P
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Originally Posted by The_Fish
That's only according to Stefan Richter in the book.
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I think he meant "Epic Archetype," like the Kheldians or Soldiers of Arachnos. |
Originally Posted by The_Fish
I think you mean "AE" (Architech Entertainment) as I HOPE NCsoft and/or Paragon Studios have NOTHING to do with THAT company! :P
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It still irks me that when Stefan Richter "came upon a revelation in which he would use his newfound power to pave the way to a new age of science for mankind, officially marking his descent to evil."
What? Science is evil?
Um... how can something that granted Marcus Cole the power of Zeus possibly be seen as some sort of advanced technoligy? Last I checked Zeus was a MAGICAL being. The well, the Excalibur, and the Liberty Belt are all Magical objects which some how make their users Incarnates?
And as for the "Science is Evil" statement, I think that only applies to the Amish. (That's not meant to be insulting to the Amish, that's actully what they belive hence the lack of it in Amish comunitys.) Anyway... it depends on how you use Science. Look at the large number of evil mad scientists, and the Nictus are all Science origin.
From a real life stand point...
Good science has given us cures to some viruses and germs that make us sick.
Bad science has given us the Atom Bomb.
And of course not everything is so black and white so Neutral Science has given us some questionable Power sources. While power plants like that aren't realistic to the Simpsons or any comic book they are still quite dangerous despite doing good for us.
Basically if science is being used to benafit life then it's good. If it's being used to destroy life it's evil. And if it doesn't or has the potential not to work as intended (either to benafit or destroy) then it's neutral.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I think he meant "Epic Archetype," like the Kheldians or Soldiers of Arachnos.
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Just a guess.... I think it was Cole who was responsible for Hamidon.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Dog
Anyone else have questions after reading the Emperor Cole Bio?
A invuln/ss tanker solo'd Hamidon? Either its a pack of lies.... OR...... it happened before the ED nerfs. :P |
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Doubtful you will see it from what Posi said at ComiCon this last year. When asked about Incarnates, he said something to the effect of "They will be mentioned one more time in Going Rogue." My bet is that Calvin Scott is the "one more" Incarnate.
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Originally Posted by Mallerick
Sadly, I can see a scenario where that happens. That would be really disappointing. With the new "Origin of Power' story arc, the whole Cimerora story, and Imperius Task Force, it seems like they've been setting up the framework for Incarnates. It would be unfortunate if they were not available to players in some way. Might be fun End Game stuff. Still hoping!
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I don't know about being "responsible" for Hamidon but the giant monster we know of today as Hamidon was once a human scientist and it's not stated anywhere that Cole soloed Hamidon in his current state so it's quite possible he fought the human version.
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Originally Posted by TempestMaster
Just a guess.... I think it was Cole who was responsible for Hamidon.
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According to the updated bio for Tyrant, he fought a giant Devouring Earth monster that had claws and tentacles as well as some sort of psychic attack. Now, the claws and tentacles part points towards the fact that this is not the "super amoeba" version of the Hamidon that our characters on Primal Earth are familiar with, but it is still called the Hamidon on Praetorian Earth. (The bio says it |
Originally Posted by Rial_Vestro
I don't know about being "responsible" for Hamidon but the giant monster we know of today as Hamidon was once a human scientist and it's not stated anywhere that Cole soloed Hamidon in his current state so it's quite possible he fought the human version.
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I'm guessing that on Praetorian Earth, the scientist Hamidon Pasalima became a giant monster version of a Greater Devoured.
It could also be that his PR team just ran with the monster idea and told the public as many scary features as they could think of.
I mean, really, nobody's scared of the idea of giant amoeba.
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It could allso be that this is still just an earlier and weaker version of the "super amoeba" that pluse factoring in how much easier Hamidon would be if he wasn't protected by several smaller "super amoebas".
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Originally Posted by Kierthos
According to the updated bio for Tyrant, he fought a giant Devouring Earth monster that had claws and tentacles as well as some sort of psychic attack. Now, the claws and tentacles part points towards the fact that this is not the "super amoeba" version of the Hamidon that our characters on Primal Earth are familiar with, but it is still called the Hamidon on Praetorian Earth. (The bio says it
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Originally Posted by Kierthos
It still irks me that when Stefan Richter "came upon a revelation in which he would use his newfound power to pave the way to a new age of science for mankind, officially marking his descent to evil."
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Originally Posted by Rial_Vestro
Um... how can something that granted Marcus Cole the power of Zeus possibly be seen as some sort of advanced technoligy? Last I checked Zeus was a MAGICAL being. The well, the Excalibur, and the Liberty Belt are all Magical objects which some how make their users Incarnates?
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Originally Posted by Rial_Vestro
It could allso be that this is still just an earlier and weaker version of the "super amoeba" that pluse factoring in how much easier Hamidon would be if he wasn't protected by several smaller "super amoebas".
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How Cole defeated him alone is anyones guess but the "battle of the minds" part seems to be made alot of but not explained entirely. Maybe something went on there that the Devs don't want to explain just yet?
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I don't know if anyone else has suggested this or not, if so I'm sorry to be repetitive.
The one thing I would really like to see is a "costume/bio" contest, where you have your avatar placed as a contact in the new GR expansion. Nothing really story related, maybe just a few repeatable missions or something. I believe that this would be better then just having your avatar as the contact person for your AE mission, as well as well as give the current player base something to complain about...I mean something to do.
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The nukes are the reason the DE were created earlier on Praetorian than they were on Primal Earth.|
Originally Posted by The_Fish
Considering the DE are left alot longer on Praetorian Earth unchecked and I'm pretty sure that the nukes had an effect on them, my guess is that the Praetorian Hami is actually a more advanced and mutated version.
How Cole defeated him alone is anyones guess but the "battle of the minds" part seems to be made alot of but not explained entirely. Maybe something went on there that the Devs don't want to explain just yet? |
And how Cole Defeated him alone could only be exsplained 3 different ways OR some combination of the 3.
A. Cole defeated Hamidon in a weaker state than we know him as.
B. Being an Incarnate and having the power of Zeus makes Cole ALOT stronger than any player. (of course that alone really wouldn't make sence because then fighting him would be harder than or at least as hard as Hamidon.)
C. It's all lies to boost his PR.
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