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Unless they're planning for anyone over 20 to have to exemplar if they want to go rogue, then there has to be some sort of 20+ content in GR.
Yeah, I know it's not easy to design zones for the whole lvl 1-50 process, but I was sort of thinking that'd one of the reasons why this is a retail expansion.


 

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Yeah, I know it's not easy to design zones for the whole lvl 1-50 process, but I was sort of thinking that'd one of the reasons why this is a retail expansion.
I think it all depends on how long the process of side switching is going to take at 20+ - it could be in the form of one or more longish TFs - working like a sort of super-respec, so that it wasn't a quick thing to do, as positron has said that side switching isn't like a switch that you can just turn on or off quickly.

If it was based around a TF of some sort for the 20+ people who wanted to go rogue, then there could be one side switching TF in the 20-35 range, with a 20-35 zone to match iot, and then a 35-50 TF in a 35-50 zone.
In those two level rnages, there'd be 2 TFs, one for Heroes to turn evil, and one for Villains to become good.

So if GR has say 5 zones, it could be zone one 1-5, zone two 5-15, zone three 10-20, zone four 20-35, and zone five 35-50.


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Anyway, for some reason, I have a feeling that Going Rogue is only going to be a nice appetizer and the Main Dish is yet to be served. What do you guys think?


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I hope that with Posi now working only with end-game stuff means there will be lots of stuff for 50´s to do, both in Going Rogue and in the original game... That said I surely doubt they would be making a new expansion ONLY for toons below lvl 20.


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Anyway, for some reason, I have a feeling that Going Rogue is only going to be a nice appetizer and the Main Dish is yet to be served. What do you guys think?
If I had any idea what this is referring to... I might be able to comment better.

Are you saying that GR will be a smallish update? Are you saying that GR will be great, but far better stuff is after? Are you saying don't get too excited about GR? I am not really sure what to take away from your post...



 

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If I had any idea what this is referring to... I might be able to comment better.

Are you saying that GR will be a smallish update? Are you saying that GR will be great, but far better stuff is after? Are you saying don't get too excited about GR? I am not really sure what to take away from your post...
No, Going Rogue is going to be awesome, and by no means smallish. And I think we should be excited about it, but my question is, will the NEXT update be even MORE?


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I have a feeling that while Praetoria is the "New World," the fact that it's 1-20 makes it mainly a new starting area for those bored with the pre-existing early content. The rest of going Rogue, my guess is, is devoted to new contacts and content in CoV/CoH that have moral repercussions, and perhaps even branching stories. So new content for 1-20 in Praetoria, but sprinklings of new content for 1-50 in CoH/CoV. At least that's what I'm thinking. We shall see.


 

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No, Going Rogue is going to be awesome, and by no means smallish. And I think we should be excited about it, but my question is, will the NEXT update be even MORE?
I think it's pretty damn obvious that the first issue following GR is going to expand on...GR. So yes, yes it will be awesome.


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No, Going Rogue is going to be awesome, and by no means smallish. And I think we should be excited about it, but my question is, will the NEXT update be even MORE?
While I can sorta see what you mean, making your customers pay extra for something, and then giving everyone something better for free isn't exactly the greatest business decision.

Edit time!: or do you mean the next expansion? I suppose I shouldn't have a pick if I don't fully understand what I'm picking at.


 

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I've been doing alot of reading online trying to find more information on Going Rouge and there's something interesting I've found.

In a previous topic people had said that there was no pretorian version of Lord Recluse because Stefan Richter was killed by Tyrant. However, on Primal Earth we have Ghost Widow and it seems the Pretorian Belladonna Vetrano was never killed like her Primal Earth counterpart. This only bares the reasoning that for one thing being dead doesn't mean you don't exsist and that the Pretorian versions of Lord Recluse and Ghost Widow have reversed roles.

Nothing offical has been said about there not being a pretorian counterpart for Lord Recluse just that he was killed. Not much has been said about Ghost Widow either except that she's apperently alive and working with the resistance.

My thinking about the members of Arachnos...

Ghost Recluse: The spirit of the murdered Stefan Richter.

Seer Widow: I kinda picture Belladonna Vetrano as a former Seer sence they are described as Pretorian Widows and on Primal Earth she was a former Night Widow before her death.

Paolo Marino: Sence he was mutated in the same "accident" that killed Ghost Widow he will most likely being a normal looking person rather than the mutated mess he is on Primal Earth.

White Scorpion: Ernesto Rodriguez on Primal Earth seems to have stolen his armor from Dr. Quatrexin. I think on Pretorian Earth Dr. Quatrexin gave him the armor and he would look just like the Primal Earth Dr. Quatrexin.

Golden Mantis: White Scorpion helped Tamura Shirai controll her addiction so she never turned to a life of crime like her Primal Earth counterpart.

Sharkman: Rather than Gideon Ray's parrents chooseing to give him up for adoption before they ever got a chance to make that choice he and his parrents were asked to live with Tyrant so that he may help to develop the boys powers. When Gideon reached adulthood his parrents were killed by the pretorian Scrapyard who Gideon later found out was a hired mercenary paid by Tyrant to test his abilitys. Gideon Ray failed Tyrant's test as he was unable to save his parrents and for putting them in that danger in the first place Gideon joined the Resistance.

Coral: Kelli Forston on Primal Earth seems to have been Infected by the Coralax while on Pretorian I think she was gifted by them. As a former treasure hunter on Primal Earth she probly tried to steal something from them and was attacked turning her into one of them. On Pretorian Earth rather than stealing when she discovered the Coralax she returned whatever she took from them and as a reward was given their powers without the physical mutation.

Scirocco and Ice Mistral are rather easy to figure out sence it's in their descriptions that both titles originally belonged to Heroes.

Of course this is all my own speculation and even if this doesn't come to pass with launch I think it could still be possible with future updates.


 

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While I can sorta see what you mean, making your customers pay extra for something, and then giving everyone something better for free isn't exactly the greatest business decision.

Edit time!: or do you mean the next expansion? I suppose I shouldn't have a pick if I don't fully understand what I'm picking at.
The next expansion could take us to Atlantis


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The next expansion could take us to Atlantis
Or, using the same amount of fore-knowledge and evidence as you did, anywhere else.



 

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"Ghost Recluse: The spirit of the murdered Stefan Richter."

Can someone show me WHERE it says that Stefan Richter on Praetorian Earth was killed pls? All I see as evidence of this so far is conjecture by players.

"Ernesto Rodriguez on Primal Earth seems to have stolen his armor from Dr. Quatrexin. I think on Pretorian Earth Dr. Quatrexin gave him the armor and he would look just like the Primal Earth Dr. Quatrexin."

Are they gonna change the nature of Black Scorpian SO much that he doesn't wanna upgrade himself to be the ultimate of who he is?

"Sharkman"

Think Cpatain Mako will be a "Captain" still imo, if he exists at all.

I think, though, that you're getting confused between an "Alternate" Earth and a complete negative. Not all things are opposite, just .... different.

Oh, and I SO wanna see what the link to Atlantis is, considering BaB said there would be "NO" underwater sections.




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"Ghost Recluse: The spirit of the murdered Stefan Richter."

Can someone show me WHERE it says that Stefan Richter on Praetorian Earth was killed pls? All I see as evidence of this so far is conjecture by players.
That was my first reaction too till I found a video of the Devs at Comic Con confirming it. You can find the video on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItM3OLqb5w

That's the second part, can't remember if it's in that exact video, they posted in 3 parts, but I faved this one because it shows a demo of the new Dual Pistols power set.

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"Ernesto Rodriguez on Primal Earth seems to have stolen his armor from Dr. Quatrexin. I think on Pretorian Earth Dr. Quatrexin gave him the armor and he would look just like the Primal Earth Dr. Quatrexin."

Are they gonna change the nature of Black Scorpian SO much that he doesn't wanna upgrade himself to be the ultimate of who he is?
Never said he wouldn't still try to upgrade his armor. And again that was my speculation nothing offical has been said about anyone except for Ghost Widow and Lord Recluse

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"Sharkman"

Think Cpatain Mako will be a "Captain" still imo, if he exists at all.
Not unless he got the title by some other means. On Primal Earth he's a former Pirate Captain.

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I think, though, that you're getting confused between an "Alternate" Earth and a complete negative. Not all things are opposite, just .... different.
It's supose to be a mirror universe so yes all things are opposite, otherwise it's not really a mirror universe is it? It's just a different universe. Reichman or however you spell that guys name is from a different universe. Yeah he's another evil Statesman but at the same time he isn't. I mean they don't even look alike and yet they're both Marcus Cole.

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Oh, and I SO wanna see what the link to Atlantis is, considering BaB said there would be "NO" underwater sections.
I think that was ment as a joke though way back before Matt "Positron" Miller took over as the lead developer, Jack "Statesman" Emmert or however you spell his name, had planed to do an underwater zone. Of course he allso planed an entire epic archetype around haveing wings and wings turned out to be just a costume piece when they finally came out rather than an archetype. Pluse the Incarnates were originally said to be Archetypes and have sence been downgraded to Origins. (which as an origin I really don't see much of a difference between Incarnate and Magic.)


 

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It's supose to be a mirror universe so yes all things are opposite, otherwise it's not really a mirror universe is it? It's just a different universe. Reichman or however you spell that guys name is from a different universe. Yeah he's another evil Statesman but at the same time he isn't. I mean they don't even look alike and yet they're both Marcus Cole.
They've already said it's NOT a mirror universe, just an alternate one.


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"Ghost Recluse: The spirit of the murdered Stefan Richter."

Can someone show me WHERE it says that Stefan Richter on Praetorian Earth was killed pls? All I see as evidence of this so far is conjecture by players.
It was mentioned at least twice at Hero Con by the devs - and captured on video too

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Oh, and I SO wanna see what the link to Atlantis is, considering BaB said there would be "NO" underwater sections.
An underwater zone was one of the popular choices on that poll for new zones a while ago - the one that Jack used to decided what CO zones to have - but the 5th Column also mention Atlantis on the ITF

Plus, an underwater zone doesn't mean it'd involve us being in the water, which was the thing BAB was not so keen on


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I don't think we could have a COMPLETE mirror universe though, otherwise the big bang would never have taken place :P

I do hope that they DON'T make EVERYTHING opposite otherwise, for me, things would be a little to easy to second guess.

Don't forget also that the leader of the resistance is one Calvin Scott who is a good guy on Primal Earth also. Although we know little of him atm in GR I think it'd be a little daft if he DID turn out to be "Not so nice". Again, to easy.




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It was mentioned at least twice at Hero Con by the devs - and captured on video too
Any chance of a link to the part where they do say it? I watched the link provided by Rial a few times in the past and also just now but I'm either missing it or not understanding one of them.


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An underwater zone was one of the popular choices on that poll for new zones a while ago - the one that Jack used to decided what CO zones to have - but the 5th Column also mention Atlantis on the ITF

Plus, an underwater zone doesn't mean it'd involve us being in the water, which was the thing BAB was not so keen on
I have also seen the mention of it in the ITF but after BaB said no to the underwater parts, I kinda put it to the back of my mind.

Atlantis rising? *YAWN!*




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Don't forget also that the leader of the resistance is one Calvin Scott who is a good guy on Primal Earth also. Although we know little of him atm in GR I think it'd be a little daft if he DID turn out to be "Not so nice". Again, to easy.
I had thought about but being that Mother Mayhem is still mind rideing in Calvin's wife's body it's possible that while Calvin Scott is working alongside Pretorian Earth's heroes he is not actully a hero as his reasons for being in the resistance seem to be selfish. He's trying to get his wife back and what do we even know about her? Maybe they're both evil and will try to overthrow Tyrant in the future.


 

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I had thought about but being that Mother Mayhem is still mind rideing in Calvin's wife's body it's possible that while Calvin Scott is working alongside Pretorian Earth's heroes he is not actully a hero as his reasons for being in the resistance seem to be selfish. He's trying to get his wife back and what do we even know about her? Maybe they're both evil and will try to overthrow Tyrant in the future.
Which is exactly what was happening on primal Earth up until Issue 4/5 (can't remember exactly), when Sister Psyche was finally able to leave Aurora Borealis' body and return to her own. States was royally PO'ed over it, because Scott's actions almost killed Sister Psyche.

So it seems that Calvin Scott is willing to push the line and go against Marcus Cole in both universes to get his wife back.


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Any chance of a link to the part where they do say it? I watched the link provided by Rial a few times in the past and also just now but I'm either missing it or not understanding one of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ko78TeO5I

40:20 - Hero1 answering a question about how the Primal Earth Recluse would view Tyrant, and Positron confirms the death of the Praetorian Recluse.


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I have also seen the mention of it in the ITF but after BaB said no to the underwater parts, I kinda put it to the back of my mind.

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It was mentioned at least twice at Hero Con by the devs - and captured on video too


Plus, an underwater zone doesn't mean it'd involve us being in the water, which was the thing BAB was not so keen on
And actually, what BaB said was that there would be no underwater zones if it were up to him.

He also specifically clarified that it isn't up to him.


 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ko78TeO5I

40:20 - Hero1 answering a question about how the Primal Earth Recluse would view Tyrant, and Positron confirms the death of the Praetorian Recluse.
Hadn't seen that before, and just listened to the whole thing whilst playing. Got a good few laughs out of that. Cheers.


 

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And actually, what BaB said was that there would be no underwater zones if it were up to him.

He also specifically clarified that it isn't up to him.
I think his only objection was to anything involving underwater fighting, as he'd have to make new attacking-while-swimming animations for every single attack power in the game


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