Please add capacity before 2x XP weekend
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Posted on: 2009-06-30 10:38 in Suggestions and Ideas
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I completely agree. He would have an argument if 8 out of 11 of the servers had this 'problem' but since that isn't reality he is just whining.
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Entitled snobbish whining at that.
I can't believe he is seriously pushing the point that "with enough money you get whatever you want... and you get it NOW!" The fact that he is using capitalism to push that point is even more infuriating... primarily because it is exactly that issue that is wrong with capitalism today. Sheesh!
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Do you refuse to fly because some of the seats are first class? Do you skip every ball game because someone else gets a box seat?
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You've taken a small, simple problem and exploded it into hundreds, even thousands of lost subscriptions for no other reason than you not wanting to branch off to another server.
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Doesn't hold water. Do you refuse to fly because some of the seats are first class? Do you skip every ball game because someone else gets a box seat? Nope. People still fly and go to ball games every day. And yes, the plane seating for everyone else is smaller. The stadium is smaller for the average person because premium seats exist.
As far as the "play another server" argument goes, that's dead. If I want to fly a particular airline because I like the perks or the people or the service or whatever, and I have the resources to do it, I do it.
As far as priority goes, sell a limited number of access slots for each event to the highest bidder. just like box seats. If you have the resources and desire to get a priority, you get it. Simple.
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An Airplane has 200 seats. Once per day it flies from Houston to New York.
The Airline has the option of trading 30 regular price seats out for 30 inflated price first class seats.
Now. 200 people -want- to go to New York today. 20 of them are willing to pay for the first class. That leaves 10 people without seats, unless you give them the First Class seats.
After you've given them the first class seats another 5 people who are willing to pay for first class want to ride on the plane to get to New York.
205 people, 200 seats. You've just shuffled the problem around. But -now- you've got 5 people who are gonna be -pissed-. Either 5 First Class people who don't get to fly because you've given their seats away, or 5 coach passengers whom you're going to kick off the plane.
If everyone was equal (Coach) you could just say "Sorry. The flight is full, you'll have to fly later." But -now- you have people who paid more money and don't get to fly -or- you're kicking the coach riders off the plane.
You don't seem to understand the issue here. And I don't think I can clear it up any further.
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To the OP.
Let's just take your convert scenerio. Have you ever heard of a general admission concert. It is all first come first serve.
You have a limited number of tickets that are allowed to be sold (the arenas capacity) which is directly related to the amount of players being allowed onto a single server. Once that number is full no one else can come in. Now if a person leaves the concert their ticket basically becomes available and someone else can go in just like the servers.
If you do not like being locked out during big events then move servers. If you like the server you are on then deal with the fact you will ahve times you cannot get into the server during high volume times.
My SG specifically went out a picked a 2nd server that we created characters and a SG on for if our server ever has issues. Do we play over there often? No but we do play at times. We still mainly are on our main server but if we need an available server it is there.
Now if you decide to create some alts on other servers don't go the route of I play on Freedom and have to have another high volume server so I will create on Virtue because it has the same issue during double XP weekends.
Of course that would be logical but after reading many of your posts that would be questionable.
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If I want to fly a particular airline because I like the perks or the people or the service or whatever, and I have the resources to do it, I do it.
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Yes, and when you get to that airline and your told you've been bumped because your flight was overbooked you get to sit there and stew in your frustration while everyone else accepts seats on alternate flights and enjoys their trip.
Don't know how doable it is, but if it is... /signed!
Just so you know i won't be logging off from Virtue that weekend provided the mapserver doesn't foil my plans. :P
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The OP is an idiot.
He keeps talking about airline seats. First class seating is not really there to be bought (Although it can be, for outragously inflated pricing). The true purpose of first class seating is to reward people who are loyal to the airline and fly alot. about 95% of the people in first class are upgraded - h aving paid no extra for their premium seat. The other 5% are people with to much money that they are willing to pay anything.
If the flight cancels, first class and coach alike are in the same boat - the both have a ticket and will get the same service. Anything other than that and its discrimination and the airline can be sued.
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Just so you know i won't be logging off from Virtue that weekend provided the mapserver doesn't foil my plans. :P
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Which makes you part of the problem, being logged in sat in your base say whilst you sleep would be stopping folks from getting on and playing.
The whole double XP weekend is a great example of the tragedy of the commons, where selfish behaviour by individuals, collectively messes things up for the whole.
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The whole double experience weekend is an example of zeal triumphing over everything else. I'm on a server I can log into every time and I STILL feel like not logging on just to avoid the madness.
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Has anyone considered with the whole rightous character deletions from MA farming that this double xp weekend my yield more?
If someone gets powerleveled from 1 to 50 in a day - will their character get deleted? Getting 1-50 in 14 hours is very doable in past double xp weekends
The OP's sense of self entitlement is just astounding....
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Times like this im glad I have many other characters on almost all the other servers.
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have an answer for the problem of pissed customers that can't or won't pay for special access. He ignores that point completely
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Wouldn't want to leave you out, although I've addressed this already: you don't refuse to fly, or go to ball games, or concerts just because some people have better access to those events. The argument that a significant number of people will quit because others have better access is specious.
The argument to "play on another server" is just as weak: If you live in Boston and are an avid fan, and you could go watch a world series game between, say the Yankees and the Red Sox, but access was limited and you would have to pay more, would you go watch the Royals play the Indians in Kansas City instead? After all, its all baseball, right? Same game, there's really no difference, right?
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The OP's sense of self entitlement is just astounding....
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It has nothing to do with entitlement. Entitlement is something someone gives you as a result of your status. I just want the ability to pay more and get more for my money. Pure capitalism and pure business.
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Memphis_Bill, I really enjoy your posts, and find them helpful. But this is just the "play another server" argument, all dolled up to look prettier than it really is.
My wife and I don't get to play together as much as either of us would like. So when we DO play, we play together. So let's say for the sake of argument, that she successfully logs in, but I'm locked out.
How is that fun for either of us?
There are thousands of friends and family members out there in the same boat. There MUST be a better answer than "Play another server."
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You mean all of your friends can't create characters on another server with you?
And the complaint about "Low population servers" I still find to be ridiculous. Everyone and their grandma plays on Freedom because the other servers are "dead". It never occurs to anyone that if they spread out a little more the other servers wouldn't be so low, population-wise.
The people who insist that Freedom is the only server worth playing on created the problem for themselves.
As someone mentioned above, they ALREADY upgraded Freedom at least once, probably Virtue as well. The crashes are usually client-side and have very little to do with server load. If there is more going on than your system can handle, you will crash and the server will still be just fine.
So, if you have repeated crashing problems it most likely isn't the server to blame. If they did increase the capacity of the server, even more people would crash because it is putting more strain on THEIR system. So, if you're lagging and crashing on a high population server you basically have 2 options: switch to a lower population server, or upgrade your computer so it can handle the extra strain placed on it.
I guarantee when you are lagging and crashing, the game server is just fine. It's your system giving you problems.
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have an answer for the problem of pissed customers that can't or won't pay for special access. He ignores that point completely
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Wouldn't want to leave you out, although I've addressed this already: you don't refuse to fly, or go to ball games, or concerts just because some people have better access to those events. The argument that a significant number of people will quit because others have better access is specious.
The argument to "play on another server" is just as weak: If you live in Boston and are an avid fan, and you could go watch a world series game between, say the Yankees and the Red Sox, but access was limited and you would have to pay more, would you go watch the Royals play the Indians in Kansas City instead? After all, its all baseball, right? Same game, there's really no difference, right?
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You're comparing apples to oranges. Baseball games and Flights are not a Monthly fee service.
When I fly, I fly first class. Not because I paid for the ticket, but because I have the miles to do so. If you choose to pay for the first class ticket, good for you - but it doesn't entitle you to any extra benefits.
We both pay for City of heroes service. Double xp weekend is like first class service for everyone. Wether you pay more than me is irrelevent, we both pay for service.
You can't compare servers to locations on an airplane. Freedom is not first class and Triumph is not coach. Its all the same bud. Sometimes, on airplanes you get bumped because they over booked. Just because you bought your first class ticket doesn;t mean you can't get bumped.
You have a choice: You can choose to fly (Play on another server, or hope to get logged into the one you want) Or, you can choose to stay at home. Throwing money around won't change anything.
Again, its not a 'pure business' decision. Its discrimination and no reputable service provider would ever consider what you are offering.
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have an answer for the problem of pissed customers that can't or won't pay for special access. He ignores that point completely
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Wouldn't want to leave you out, although I've addressed this already: you don't refuse to fly, or go to ball games, or concerts just because some people have better access to those events. The argument that a significant number of people will quit because others have better access is specious.
The argument to "play on another server" is just as weak: If you live in Boston and are an avid fan, and you could go watch a world series game between, say the Yankees and the Red Sox, but access was limited and you would have to pay more, would you go watch the Royals play the Indians in Kansas City instead? After all, its all baseball, right? Same game, there's really no difference, right?
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This argument is weaker.
Double XP is not limited to Freedom. It is not on Freedom one weekend, and another server another, like a baseball team that exists only in one city at a time.
Your complaint is that you want to go to a certain restaraunt. Well, the one on fourth and main is going to be full one weekend, but the exact same restaraunt serving the exact same food with the exact same specials two blocks away is going to have room - yet you refuse to go, because you ALWAYS go to the one on fourth and main, so they should kick some people out because you're willing to pay $10 for a burger instead of 8 (but not, of course, drive two blocks away. That would be unthinkable!)
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The OP's sense of self entitlement is just astounding....
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It has nothing to do with entitlement. Entitlement is something someone gives you as a result of your status. I just want the ability to pay more and get more for my money. Pure capitalism and pure business.
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It's definitely pure capitalism, but it's not pure business.
In business, you want to keep your loyal customers, while trying to attract new ones. As part of the former, you want to make decisions that keep the most older players.
Your idea would create a tier system among the current players. The 'premier' players, and the regular ones. The regular ones might have been longer customers. They might be better ones. They might also not have the means to pay for this additional status. There may be a lot of people out there like that.
By implementing your idea, you create a system where you piss players like that off. All of a sudden, because they can't afford an extra cost, they are now second-class citizens of the game. If I was on Freedom, and that happened to me (in a money crunch a bit now, because I'll soon be changing jobs), then I'd probably quit the game. If my vet status and past money wasn't good enough for them, then I'd stop giving them money.
The Devs know this. It's why it's not gonna happen. Everything that they've charged for recently has been purely cosmetic. Costumes, some extra non-game-changing powers, renames, server transfers, etc. They're not going to implement a system that could piss off a lot of long-time players just to please a few people (who already won't do things to help themselves) two weekends per year. That is not good business sense.
Also, your idea is an Entitlement idea. You have money to burn, therefore you should get preference. Screw the people that can't afford to pay more, they get locked out even more during these events. Screw them even if they're better customers in the long run. Gimme my due now because I can afford it.
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How about this instead? A discounted or free server transfer off of freedom and/or virtue to another less crowded server? I can totally see getting a few toons off there that I dont play that would get play time if they were in my sgs on other servers.
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You're comparing apples to oranges. Baseball games and Flights are not a Monthly fee service.
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Of course its ridiculous as flying to another city to watch a game, is not the same as swapping to a different server.
Hopping to a differnet channel for a ball game (or NFL) because the local team is blacked out, is less of an strecth. I mean no-one ever does that do they ? [/sarcasm]
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How about this instead? A discounted or free server transfer off of freedom and/or virtue to another less crowded server? I can totally see getting a few toons off there that I dont play that would get play time if they were in my sgs on other servers.
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No. People would move lesser played alts, and roll new ones that they actively play.
Actually making the situation worse in the short term
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The OP's sense of self entitlement is just astounding....
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It has nothing to do with entitlement. Entitlement is something someone gives you as a result of your status. I just want the ability to pay more and get more for my money. Pure capitalism and pure business.
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There is nothing new here it's all been pointed to and laughed at in the past.
Congrats OP, this has to be one of the best Freedumb 2xp whines ever!
I'll be thinking of you while enjoying being able to team all weekend long with no delays logging and no lag on my "dead" server.
Well I am inspired by this to login all 3 of my accounts in Freedom for 2xp weekend and park my characters in a base when I go out of town.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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OP doesn't know what he's talking about, otherwise he would have an answer for the problem of pissed customers that can't or won't pay for special access. He ignores that point completely.
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Oh, no, he "answered" *cough* that point with "Mah wallet haz da monies, too bad peasants."
He ignores the lowered capacity for everyone else, sure.
He also hasn't answered the "X many slots, X+n people paying for them and trying to get in."
Both of which, frankly, ARE answered by NCSoft's "no guarantee that you will be able to use the service" clause... which answers the OP's original complaint anyway.
10 other servers, lots of room, and if he's bringing wife and friends, no issue about "I can't find anyone to play with" (which is BS anyway, especially on 2xp weekends.)
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