Please add capacity before 2x XP weekend
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Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2009-06-30 10:38 in Suggestions and Ideas
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Seriously - you want to pay for "priority access," even *disconnecting* other players who don't play, but you won't use that same money to move to a server where you just *won't* have that problem... or even NOT pay and just roll an alt?
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Yep. Play on another server, you are making a low level alt you will never play again when the congestion clears up. Your SG gets no prestige. Its a waste.
I'm all for fairness in you personal life, but in business, if you are a bigger client you get more perks. Pay more, get more. I can't believe the game owners haven't already done this.
Ideally, the tank will die precisely as everyone else starts fighting, allowing aggro to be spread evenly among the blaster. -seebs, "How to Suck at CoH/CoV" Guide
Priority access, what a stupid concept. But lets have fun with it anyway...
Say it does amazingly well and enough priority players boot off those unworthy pathetic players who both can't afford to pay more and are too stupid to just try another server.
You still grey out the server when it his x players no matter what they're paying.
Are you going to come back begging for another even more uber tier of pricing - super premium to make sure you get in even when its cram full of lowly premium people?
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Seriously - you want to pay for "priority access," even *disconnecting* other players who don't play, but you won't use that same money to move to a server where you just *won't* have that problem... or even NOT pay and just roll an alt?
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Yep. Play on another server, you are making a low level alt you will never play again when the congestion clears up. Your SG gets no prestige. Its a waste.
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... except, of course, that you *can* play that. And start a new SG. And make new friends who don't particularly care to play on Freedom. And set up events and such to bring even more people in to the SG. And of course, the *very next event* that Freedom is borked with, or their server hardware goes down for a while, or there's a network glitch between you and them... gee, guess what, you have an alternate place to play!
Sorry, but the "never play again" line is BS.
Of course, I said all that - all of which is perfectly legitimate - in the original cut and paste.
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I'm all for fairness in you personal life, but in business, if you are a bigger client you get more perks. Pay more, get more. I can't believe the game owners haven't already done this.
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I'm not. Because if they'd been pulling BS like that... they'd have fewer people to pull it ON.
Besides, as mentioned, there's no queue. You want a queue, play WoW. We have a mob. You get in as you get in. Sometimes first try, sometimes it takes a few.
Of course I, as much as I *avoid* Freedom... never have that problem. At all. So your solution, *again* is only for one server - yet requires more work on the devs part.
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OK, this one is simple. You guys have announced double XP weekend. We have been through this several times now, and we all know that Freedom and Virtue will be completely full. Freedom will probably crash once or twice under the load.
There will be complaints from everyone who can't get logged in, or that the lag is unbearable. It will be twice as bad in Atlas with the new AE system.
So, add capacity now, even if its only needed temporarily, before everyone gets frustrated and hacked off. Make this a FUN experience for once instead of a giant hassle.
Please and thank you.
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I must be psychic. To quote myself from another thread:
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Oh boy . . . Once again we get to watch people whine and complain that the game sucks because they can't log onto Freedom.
Anyone with half a brain is going to have some alts ready on other servers just in case.
And with the AE they don't even have the excuse that they don't have any high level characters on other servers.
That will be a fun weekend to watch the forums.
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I can't believe the game owners haven't already done this.
[/ QUOTE ]Maybe because the idea is hilariously bad for a number of reasons, including costing a large amount of money to develop, outraging the player base, as well as being silly?
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Yep. Play on another server, you are making a low level alt you will never play again when the congestion clears up. Your SG gets no prestige. Its a waste.
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ROFL!!!
News Flash!!
MISSION ARCHITECT
You can easily have several characters on each server at any level you dersire long before the Double XP Weekend arrives. You can also use the tickets you get from running those AE missions to make several million at the market and use it to slot your new characters.
So in other words . . .
GO PLAY ON ANOTHER SERVER!!!
Seriously, OP.
Do you just have one slot on your game? I mean, is that what the issue is? Is there just one solitary chance for you to play this game? Ever?
Because funny, on MY login screen I have 36 slots *on every one of the eleven servers*, and I've used up to 15 of those on *every single one* myself.
Will I play every single character I make? Nope, but sometimes I like to just wander around the lowbie zones and *have fun*. Or join someone else's sg so that they can make more prestige if they're starting out, knowing I won't be back and I tell them so. I've even inherited several disused sg's that way.
Your logic is absolutely flawed.
You can - and should - have characters everywhere. Each of the servers is like a different restaurant. You want spicy? Virtue. You want a great wine with your meal? Pinnacle. You want your food RIGHT FREAKING NOW? Well, Freedom is great for that, unless it's lunch rush. Why not try a salad at Infinity, or some home cookin' at Protector?
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Seriously - you want to pay for "priority access," even *disconnecting* other players who don't play, but you won't use that same money to move to a server where you just *won't* have that problem... or even NOT pay and just roll an alt?
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Yep. Play on another server, you are making a low level alt you will never play again when the congestion clears up. Your SG gets no prestige. Its a waste.
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Your SG is getting no Prestige when you can't log in to Freedom, either. Is that, in part, what this is about? "OMG!! Some other supergroup might knock our SG off the top 10 list during double XP weekend if I can't get on!"?!? I hate to bust your bubble, but the majority of players, even on Freedom, don't care what your SG rank is or how much Prestige you earn. Anything your group earns above what it takes to build and keep up your base is completely unnecessary. The only people who care are yourselves and the Prestige obsessed members of other supergroups.
And what makes you so sure that you will never play an alt on another server again? I know that every character I create is one that I want to play. It is some powerset combination that I haven't played before, and I have come up with a concept for it that pleases me. Just take the next idea you have for an alt, and create it on a different server, in conjunction with your wife and a couple other members of your SG. Now you have a ready made team on another server of characters that you all want to play, so that you have someplace to fall back on if Freedom is unavailable.
Playing on another server is only punishment if you look at it like punishment.
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I'm all for fairness in you personal life, but in business, if you are a bigger client you get more perks. Pay more, get more. I can't believe the game owners haven't already done this.
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What happens if the number of "priority players" becomes greater than the server population cap? What if the non-priority person you kick off with your elite presence just happened to be finishing a Task Force, or a timed mission, or was leading a Hami Raid? What if, god forbid, everyone signed up for "priority access." Wouldn't we find ourselves in exactly the same boat, and your priority access be useless? I suppose, at that point, we'd need to have server queues like WoW, and you would be able to go to the front of that line, behind the other priority players who are already waiting.
I thank you for finally coming up with a solution that I haven't heard before, though. I don't agree, but at least you are thinking beyond "just throw more hardware at the problem, that will fix it."
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
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Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
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Priority access, what a stupid concept. But lets have fun with it anyway...
Say it does amazingly well and enough priority players boot off those unworthy pathetic players who both can't afford to pay more and are too stupid to just try another server.
You still grey out the server when it his x players no matter what they're paying.
Are you going to come back begging for another even more uber tier of pricing - super premium to make sure you get in even when its cram full of lowly premium people?
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Absolutely. If you get full, that's proof you didn't charge enough. Charge more the next time. Not everyone gets to sit in the front row of the sold out concert. Those with more resources do. It's business.
Business is about charging what the market will bear, not about fairness.
And this thread just proves how many of you hate Freedom server. Many of you admit it openly. If you were in favor of what is good for the game and its owners, you would want them to make as much money as possible.
Ideally, the tank will die precisely as everyone else starts fighting, allowing aggro to be spread evenly among the blaster. -seebs, "How to Suck at CoH/CoV" Guide
Now I can't tell if we're being punked or not.
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If you were in favor of what is good for the game and its owners, you would want them to make as much money as possible.
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Priority access, what a stupid concept. But lets have fun with it anyway...
Say it does amazingly well and enough priority players boot off those unworthy pathetic players who both can't afford to pay more and are too stupid to just try another server.
You still grey out the server when it his x players no matter what they're paying.
Are you going to come back begging for another even more uber tier of pricing - super premium to make sure you get in even when its cram full of lowly premium people?
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Absolutely. If you get full, that's proof you didn't charge enough. Charge more the next time. Not everyone gets to sit in the front row of the sold out concert. Those with more resources do. It's business.
Business is about charging what the market will bear, not about fairness.
And this thread just proves how many of you hate Freedom server. Many of you admit it openly. If you were in favor of what is good for the game and its owners, you would want them to make as much money as possible.
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I read this. And I can't help but point to the state that our economy is in. People did 'What the Market Could Bear' and broke the market. There is a point where fairness cmoes into play, otherwise you're just killing yourself.
I know for a fact that if players could get bumped off of their character at any time by 'premium' players hundreds, if not thousands, would quit immediately. And that's money that NCSoft doesn't -want- to lose. While your 'Premium Bump' might help to cover -some- of the loss it won't cover all of it.
If you honestly believe that it's a good idea, then I'll have to assume you're Vince McMahon or John Bradshaw Layfield. A Charicature designed to be everything everyone hates about people with lots of money.
-Rachel-
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Now I can't tell if we're being punked or not cause it went from silly to insane.
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No the OP isn't trolling. Every 2xp weekend we get dozens of threads just like this one making the same unrealistic demands, and accusations that everyone hates Freedom because no one will bend over backwards to kiss their butts.
Last time we even had one genius suggest that Freedoms overpopulation problem would be solved if the devs merged the low pop servers into the three high pop servers.
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Priority access, what a stupid concept. But lets have fun with it anyway...
Say it does amazingly well and enough priority players boot off those unworthy pathetic players who both can't afford to pay more and are too stupid to just try another server.
You still grey out the server when it his x players no matter what they're paying.
Are you going to come back begging for another even more uber tier of pricing - super premium to make sure you get in even when its cram full of lowly premium people?
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Absolutely. If you get full, that's proof you didn't charge enough. Charge more the next time. Not everyone gets to sit in the front row of the sold out concert. Those with more resources do. It's business.
Business is about charging what the market will bear, not about fairness.
And this thread just proves how many of you hate Freedom server. Many of you admit it openly. If you were in favor of what is good for the game and its owners, you would want them to make as much money as possible.
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I think the idea of charging more for "priority access" is fine when you have a finite amount of spots, and the "gold circle" seats are known from the beginning as opposed to uprooting other paid customers to create new "gold circle" seats when the original "gold circle" seats sell out. If I don't want to pay that much to get in, then I don't go. If I am already in, and they uproot me from my seat because somebody else paid a little extra money, you damn well better believe that I am going to demand my money back. If the difference isn't at least the value of my ticket, then the venue will lose money on the deal. If I am with other people, they may also demand their money back if they can't sit with me. Now the value of the priority seating needs to be at least as much as all of our tickets.
In an environment with a virtually unlimited number of spaces, selling priority access like you propose could be disastrous. If I don't want to pay it, and I get kicked offline just because you want in, I'm going to be angry, especially if I were in the middle of something I considered important. If it happens enough, I will quit. If it happens to enough people, it could hurt the game's bottom line more than the extra income from the "priority memberships" can compensate for. It could effectively limit the game's population to the number of "priority memberships" available.
Still a good idea? I notice that the 800 pound gorilla isn't doing it yet, and they have server queues. It would be a natural place to start. Because I think the potential backfire of "priority memberships" could be devastating, I wouldn't mind at all if this was one place where CoH was a follower rather than an innovator. Let's see if it works for WoW, or WAR, or AoC, or EQII, or Lineage, or even Hello Kitty Online, before we try it here.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
First, let my start by saying "lol" To the OP.
In response to the OP, no reprutable business would ever discontinue service to a client just because someone else comes in with more money.
The great thing about a MMO its spirit is pure equality. Sure, some AT's might need fixed, or certain areas are underperforming, but the player behind the keyboard is just as equal as any other.
Its great that you have money to throw around, but if NCsoft decides to insert Preimum service to its MMO's without spelling it out well before the game has launched, then its opening itself up to big drama.
Let me put it this way: I know of very few people who play this game who couldn't afford a 'preimum service' ticket; depending on the cost. If everyone has this ticket, then who do you kick off the servers?
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And this thread just proves how many of you hate Freedom server. Many of you admit it openly. If you were in favor of what is good for the game and its owners, you would want them to make as much money as possible.
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I dislike that it's crowded.
I dislike the attitude shown there - which is also, honestly, shown by you with the "Screw everyone else, me me me, don't give me other suggestions just serve me!" shown here.
I have rarely had a "good" team, either in play, competence, or enjoyability there, unless I knew the people from elsewhere. My characters there are among my least played.
I am, actually, in favor of what's good for the game and its owners, and want them to make as much money as possible - preferrably with as much long term benefit as possible. Wasting money on more server hardware for *one* shard for one or two weekends a month is not on that list. Neither is implementing plans that would do nothing but irritate even more people by kicking them off for a few others (and being a complete and utter waste on *every other server.*)
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And this thread just proves how many of you hate Freedom server. Many of you admit it openly. If you were in favor of what is good for the game and its owners, you would want them to make as much money as possible.
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I dislike that it's crowded.
I dislike the attitude shown there - which is also, honestly, shown by you with the "Screw everyone else, me me me, don't give me other suggestions just serve me!" shown here.
I have rarely had a "good" team, either in play, competence, or enjoyability there, unless I knew the people from elsewhere. My characters there are among my least played.
I am, actually, in favor of what's good for the game and its owners, and want them to make as much money as possible - preferrably with as much long term benefit as possible. Wasting money on more server hardware for *one* shard for one or two weekends a month is not on that list. Neither is implementing plans that would do nothing but irritate even more people by kicking them off for a few others.
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While I don't dislike the freedom crowd, I dislike their own personal sense of entitlement.
I also agree with Bill on I would like NCsoft as a business to grow, but adding a preimum ticket would not do that. I think you would piss enough people off who would cancel due to the discrimination involved with such a setup.
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Seriously - you want to pay for "priority access," even *disconnecting* other players who don't play, but you won't use that same money to move to a server where you just *won't* have that problem... or even NOT pay and just roll an alt?
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Yep. Play on another server, you are making a low level alt you will never play again when the congestion clears up. Your SG gets no prestige. Its a waste.
I'm all for fairness in you personal life, but in business, if you are a bigger client you get more perks. Pay more, get more. I can't believe the game owners haven't already done this.
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Probably because telling your customers, "Let them eat cake" would be a horrible business move and create a sharp division in the playerbase. As if some players aren't already flummoxed by Super Booster Packs and other ad-ons as it is. And I'm not even one of them 
If we must discuss absurdities, however, I say move all the lesser players onto a lesser server, so that those that deserve to play on Freedom and Virtue can do so without the peasants getting in the way 
In short, what makes one player more deserving than another, besides perhaps an overinflated sense of entitlement? Money? Tenure? Server slots? Any argument for or against is fraught with problems. Tiering server access based on money will certainly chafe the frugal playerbase; same with character slots. Tenure-based access will reduce the appeal to new players.
However, since the game's creation, there have been multiple servers, not only the two more popular locations. The problem is, when everyone plays on a certain server, is that everyone plays on teh same server. It's not a problem that the developers created, not one I feel they should fix so that it can continue to compound.
Perhaps instead they can figure out a way for SGs to move servers, but that is a whole other can of worms.
No, I don't hate any particular servers - I merely disagree with making the big servers bigger while the "smaller" servers continue to have plenty of room for more. Increasing resources on high-pop servers is not the best long-term solution, only a money sink.
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And this thread just proves how many of you hate Freedom server. Many of you admit it openly.
[/ QUOTE ]Yeah, I hate Freedom! That's why I'm a Freedom native, most of my characters are on Freedom, and even now I spend most of my time on Freedom even with my new projects on Guardian (only so many slots per server )!
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If you were in favor of what is good for the game and its owners, you would want them to make as much money as possible.
[/ QUOTE ]They could raise the monthly fee to $50 a month... they'd surely make more money that way! Except when you realize that actions have repercussion, then things take some actual thinking. People were furious when the Devs first announced the in-game advertising, and more than a few people quit over it. And what did they get out of it? A failed advertising system that isn't even used anymore!
I want the developers/NC to be successful... but not by exploiting the playerbase, which'll only result in the failure of the game. Short term thinking can't ignore long term planning.
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And this thread just proves how many of you hate Freedom server. Many of you admit it openly.
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Not at all. Many of us hate "Freedomites." The definition of such being "those who exclusively play on Freedom Server." Many Freedomites think they are more important than players on other servers because they are playing on the server with the highest population, as if that sole factor was only metric by which the quality of the server and the players thereon was judged.
I have characters on all eleven servers. I am currently on Freedom cycle, which means that I am commited to playing each of my fourteen characters on Freedom for at least two levels before moving on to Guardian Server. I may or may not be done with my Freedom cycle by the time double xp weekend comes up. If I am not, I will try to get on Freedom to play. If I can't, you won't see me whining about it here in the forums because I am flexible enough to jump ahead a little in my cycle for a few days until I can get back on track.
I do not hate Freedom Server. I do hate the unfounded sense of entitlement that some players on Freedom Server have.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
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Priority access, what a stupid concept. But lets have fun with it anyway...
Say it does amazingly well and enough priority players boot off those unworthy pathetic players who both can't afford to pay more and are too stupid to just try another server.
You still grey out the server when it his x players no matter what they're paying.
Are you going to come back begging for another even more uber tier of pricing - super premium to make sure you get in even when its cram full of lowly premium people?
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Absolutely. If you get full, that's proof you didn't charge enough. Charge more the next time. Not everyone gets to sit in the front row of the sold out concert. Those with more resources do. It's business.
Business is about charging what the market will bear, not about fairness.
And this thread just proves how many of you hate Freedom server. Many of you admit it openly. If you were in favor of what is good for the game and its owners, you would want them to make as much money as possible.
[/ QUOTE ] Why are you talking about business? You are clearly very ignorant about the subject.
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Or, make characters not on Freedom and Virtue.
Adding capacity to one or two servers is probably not very cost efficient, especially when it's only needed for a weekend or two per year.
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I do not hate Freedom Server. I do hate the unfounded sense of entitlement that some players on Freedom Server have.
[/ QUOTE ] I actually don't buy that. People are inherently selfish. There are just more people on Freedom so they are louder than everybody else. Think of them like Cowboys Fans. In reality they aren't worse than any other fan base out there, but since there are so many you hear their [censored] a lot more(I know, I'm a Cowboys fan).
It's okay to hate Jerry Jones though, right?
"Mastermind Pets operate...differently, and aren't as easily fixed. Especially the Bruiser. I want to take him out behind the woodshed and pull an "old yeller" on him at times." - Castle
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With priority access, you move to the front of the line of your desired server.
[/ QUOTE ]FYI, there is no line. You can pay the devs all you want to be at the front of your own little imaginary line.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.