I thought CoX was a Teen rated game?!?!?!

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This is amazing. I really can't believe I get to bring this up twice in one day.

Canon example, been in the game for as long as the Praetorians have: Dominatrix. Gimp squad for minions/Lts/bosses, complete with pain sticks and a fetishy look. All but spells out incest in her character description.

There is already innuendo in this game that's far more "out there" than people being able to change genders, and it was created entirely by the devs. I don't even know what to say to threads like this, other than it is incredibly close-minded and insulting to imply that transgenderism is deviant and something that should be hidden away.

Bigotry is what isn't appropriate for this game.

And before anyone thinks I personally have a problem with Domi and her whole clan, because I have brought her up a bit lately: I don't. I like the character, I think she's interesting, and in no way do I think she should be removed or changed (although her implied relationship with Tyrant is a little squicky). I could say something about the only canon fetish character being a supervillain (kinksters are not inherently evil- not saying the devs think they are, though), but that's more deconstruction than I feel like doing for this game. But every time people get up in arms over GLBT supergroups, players, or whatever "violating" the Teen rating, I can't help but facepalm and wonder how they missed something that's far more sexually explicit and spelled out in the game canon.

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So... what you're saying is you're Going Rouge?

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What's the rating of that story where the wolf dresses up like a woman to chat with little girls?

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The same rating as those episodes of Looney Tunes where Bugs crossdresses to fool Elmer Fudd.

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Darn, you beat me to it.

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To the OP: Do you consider these Looney Tunes cartoons to be rated "M"? I am sincerely curious. I'm still trying to understand where the heck you're coming from on this and it honestly completely eludes me.

So please answer, does Bugs Bunny dressing up as a girl bunny and pretending to be a girl warrant an "M" rating? Why or why not? Please reply.

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ppl are getting confused between cross dressing and transgenders. If you have 5 COSTUME slots and 3 are 2 and 2 female thats cross dressing not transgender but if they made it so if you change your gender and all slots are gender changed . that is transgender. there is a difference. i never once said i had prob with it. I said that allowing cross dressing in a game that kids play is a bit concerning.

To thous that are getting upset about lack of tolerance. i could say the same to how they have acted in my believe. Also its not just me but society has a whole shuns cross dressing. like it or not but im not the minority but the majority in society. Case in point why do they have drag on jerry springer and muary show? For are entertainment. they are both laughed at and made fun of. why? cause its not socially acceptable. Just cause you dont share my believe doesnt mean the majority of society dont.

So again i ask for a dev to chim in and clerfy things or change it so that you cant change each costume to be a male female but to change all your slots to male female.

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Cross-dressing would be males wearing female clothes, or vice-versa. Since gender-specific costume pieces are not being ported to other genders, this will not be any different than it always has been. Your male costume slots will wear the clothing that has always been available to male characters, and your female costume slots will wear the clothing that has always been available to female characters. As has been explained numerous times already.

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I said that allowing cross dressing in a game that kids play is a bit concerning.

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I completely disagree. Also, fine, go back up to my post and mentally change "gender" to "cross-dressing" or "transvestism". The point still stands.

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like it or not but im not the minority but the majority in society.

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Amazingly enough, that doesn't make you right.

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No one but you "needs" a dev to do anything. Your impression of what is "happening" in the game is *wrong*. You're reading into it FAR too much, and it's painfully obvious that this IS an issue for you. Please get yourself some help.

"I never once said I had prob with it.
I find it concerning"

Those two things in your post just now are contradictory. You do have a problem. The rest of us don't.

You do not have to use the options. But the rest of us will because we know it's *a game* with great character/ costume generation.

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ppl are getting confused between cross dressing and transgenders. If you have 5 COSTUME slots and 3 are 2 and 2 female thats cross dressing not transgender but if they made it so if you change your gender and all slots are gender changed . that is transgender. there is a difference. i never once said i had prob with it. I said that allowing cross dressing in a game that kids play is a bit concerning.

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How is it not transgender? The character changes from a male to a female and back again. It's trans-transgender! It's not possible to do that in the real world, but neither is it possible to shoot lasers from your eyes or blast energy from your hands or run at 90mph.

Still not sure what your hangup is about this issue.

Also please answer the Bugs Bunny Question. Kthnx

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To thous that are getting upset about lack of tolerance. i could say the same to how they have acted in my believe.

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Yes, they should be more tolerant of your intolerance.

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Also its not just me but society has a whole shuns cross dressing. like it or not but im not the minority but the majority in society. Case in point why do they have drag on jerry springer and muary show? For are entertainment. they are both laughed at and made fun of. why? cause its not socially acceptable. Just cause you dont share my believe doesnt mean the majority of society dont.

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I find the fact that you consider things like Springer and Maury to be reflective of the majority of society mildly alarming.

Ok more than mildly.

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So again i ask for a dev to chim in and clerfy things or change it so that you cant change each costume to be a male female but to change all your slots to male female.

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Clarify what? Obviously it will be a per costume basis. Changing all costume slots simultaneously would be functionally impossible and would ruin the entire point of the SuperTailor to begin with (having different body types per costume). If for some reason that causes your ganglion to have a fit, then I'm sorry for you.

Well, no, I'm actually not sorry FOR you. But "sorry" and "you" are definitely still part of the sentiment.

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Cross-dressing would be males wearing female clothes, or vice-versa. Since gender-specific costume pieces are not being ported to other genders, this will not be any different than it always has been. Your male costume slots will wear the clothing that has always been available to male characters, and your female costume slots will wear the clothing that has always been available to female characters. As has been explained numerous times already.

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And yet you keep missing my point. Most real ppl that do drag. look like real woman yet they are men and vice versa. if you have COSTUME SLOTS that look like men and some COSTUME SLOTS that look like females that is called drag. and is inappropriate for minors. Thous the clubs that have drag are all 18 ad old making this game have an adult theme with an adult rating. what part of that dont you get?

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Also its not just me but society has a whole shuns cross dressing. like it or not but im not the minority but the majority in society.

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edit: Also, I'm not convinced that the majority of people think cross dressing is wrong. Sure, many people probably do think it is odd, but that isn't the same thing as thinking it is immoral.

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The character can be male or female.

That is not cross dressing. Read please.

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To thous that are getting upset about lack of tolerance. i could say the same to how they have acted in my believe.

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I'd just like to point out that nobody specifically made a thread claiming you were immoral and a danger to children. Unlike what you have done here.

And second, is spelling really that hard? Your stance on this is going to make you unpopular, no need to make it look like you're illiterate as well.

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if you have COSTUME SLOTS that look like men and some COSTUME SLOTS that look like females that is called drag.

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No, it's *changing the gender of the character from male to female*. The female toon image *does not get male costumes.* The male toon image *does not get female costumes*. What part of that isn't clear?


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and is inappropriate for minors.

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Insane. No, it's not inappropriate for minors - why would it be? Please go back to the linked cartoons, tv shows and movie clips to see that cross-dressing AND gender bending have been long-used in not only entertainment but in society in general.

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Thosespell check on the clubs that have drag are all 18 ad old making this game have an adult theme with an adult rating. what part of that dont you get?

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What part of this game is a drag bar? And btw: plenty of clubs have 16+ portions, and a LOT of those have plenty of dressup-type nights.

What are you even smoking to get this worked up about pixels on a screen?

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if you have COSTUME SLOTS that look like men and some COSTUME SLOTS that look like females that is called drag.

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Or it's called "shapeshifter". Or it's called "these are 5 different characters under the name Sentai Force". Or it's called "my female is wearing power armor that doesn't have cleavage."

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I would like to point out Sailor Moon.

More specifically, the Sailor Stars.

Wasn't there at least one that actually changed gender when (s)he "powered up"?

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I would like to point out Sailor Moon.

More specifically, the Sailor Stars.

Wasn't there at least one that actually changed gender when (s)he "powered up"?

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Along with the openly gay couples? And the men who couldn't be told from the women because of their hair and dress/voices, and who were *changed to women* in one American version because people like the OP were worried that it might "corrupt" our youth... To which, the author *yanked the publication rights* from the company in charge of it for changing HER work...

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Cross-dressing would be males wearing female clothes, or vice-versa. Since gender-specific costume pieces are not being ported to other genders, this will not be any different than it always has been. Your male costume slots will wear the clothing that has always been available to male characters, and your female costume slots will wear the clothing that has always been available to female characters. As has been explained numerous times already.

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And yet you keep missing my point. Most real ppl that do drag. look like real woman yet they are men and vice versa.

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Ah but that is where you are confused. Let me help. You might want to sit down. See, the characters in the game are not actually real people. I know, that might be a shock to you.

Now, what we have is a costume creator that we can pick a male model for our characters or a female model for our characters. The superbooster allows you to change that model. It's not going to look like the same character in drag. It will look like, and in fact be, an entirely different character model: everything is different. Right down to bone structure and muscles, everything.

Because the character isn't just changing "costumes" in this case. That term is a bit misleading here. They are, in fact, changing forms.

For instance, if someone played an alien shapeshifter who has no gender at all, but could take the shape of a male or a female at will, that's not crossdressing now is it? It's shape-shifting.

And that's really whats happening here. The characters aren't changing to LOOK like another gender. They are changing INTO that gender with the power of Super-Science!

I hope that clears things up for you but I'm not holding my breath.

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if you have COSTUME SLOTS that look like men and some COSTUME SLOTS that look like females that is called drag.

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You're hung up on the term "costume slots". The word "costume" means something much more expansive in this game than "articles of clothing". If, for example, you have a character like I do who has one slot with a human form and another slot with a reptile form, the character is changing INTO the reptile. He's not putting on a reptile mask. He's not a man dressed as a reptile when I choose that slot. He IS a reptile: there's no mask.

This is the same case here. "Costume" should be interpreted to mean "everything about the in-game avatar's appearance" rather than "gimmicky clothes"

Think about it this way: if they are all "just" costumes, then your first slot, the one you enter the game with, is also "just a costume" too, and any female character, with only one costume slot MIGHT be a man who looks like a girl and is cross dressing with NO additional costumes. Because slot 0 is just a costume too. So who KNOWS what's under there?

*sniffs* Do I smell smoke?

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and is inappropriate for minors. Thous the clubs that have drag are all 18 ad old making this game have an adult theme with an adult rating. what part of that dont you get?

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Again, when Bugs Bunny wore drag (see the links provided previously), on a CHILDREN'S TV SHOW, was that inappropriate for minors? And if so, how was it no one caught it in 50 years?

Please answer this.

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Also its not just me but society has a whole shuns cross dressing.

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No, it's just you. The overwhelming majority don't have a problem with men having long hair and for women to wear pants. Both of which were considered cross-dressing just a few generations ago by 'society.'

You just don't realize how your 'sense' of what is and isn't appropriate for a man or woman to wear is so culturally ingrained in yourself. And how relative those cultural values are. There are some societies that exist right now that would demand all the females in the game be completely covered except for their eyes. I'm sure you roll your eyes at that cultural short-sightedness. And at the same time, you're blind to your own prejudices.

So tell me, other than 'society wills it', why can't men wear lipstick? And even if you do go by 'society wills it', then why? Why exactly does society think it's 'wrong' for a man to wear lipstick? (By the way, most of the men in film wear lipstick on camera. Ten foot giant lips on screen don't look so good unless the color is evenly blended.)

Why can our colonial fathers wear long wigs but if a modern man did it, it would be cross-dressing and somehow wrong?

Why should there be any differing standard of dress for men v. women anyway (other than taking into account the mammary glands, which, by the way, women have the civil liberty to expose for breast feeding; and in some districts, the right to expose anytime since men can go shirtless if they want... equal protection under the law and all that)?

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ppl are getting confused between cross dressing and transgenders. If you have 5 COSTUME slots and 3 are 2 and 2 female thats cross dressing not transgender but if they made it so if you change your gender and all slots are gender changed . that is transgender. there is a difference. i never once said i had prob with it. I said that allowing cross dressing in a game that kids play is a bit concerning.

To thous that are getting upset about lack of tolerance. i could say the same to how they have acted in my believe. Also its not just me but society has a whole shuns cross dressing. like it or not but im not the minority but the majority in society. Case in point why do they have drag on jerry springer and muary show? For are entertainment. they are both laughed at and made fun of. why? cause its not socially acceptable. Just cause you dont share my believe doesnt mean the majority of society dont.

So again i ask for a dev to chim in and clerfy things or change it so that you cant change each costume to be a male female but to change all your slots to male female.

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Don't try to get all exact like then mess it up, because you just did there and it's funny, well least to me.

Trasgender is a more fluid gender identity, it would exactly be people who have on or two slots one gender and one or two slots a different gender. Transsexual is a person who has changed permanently one way or the other.

Of course this ignores the ones doing it in a gender neutral fashion such as girls in power armor. Like the Video game Metroid or Cartoons like Exo Squad.
People using potions to change gender, As in popular cartoons like Johnny Text, Emperor's New School, Fairly Odd Parents, and Sabrina The Teenage Witch.
Then there are those who are playing Transvestites and cross dressers, like popular cartoons such as Mulan and the previously mentioned Bugs Bunny, though really who was exempt? You'd be hard pressed to find a cartoon that lasted a full season that didn't have cross dressing in it.

Yes gender people are mocked, but then anyone who is different is mocked, Lutherans would be pulled out into public squares and asked to explain their religion while people pointed at laughed, Puritans often had rotten vegetables tossed at them, heck while we are on the subject of religions mocked for being different they put one man on a cross for it. Meanwhile in America we tend to get a chuckle out of those Canadian "eh"s, and my Irish cousin was asked to give a school speech so the class could laugh at him. This doesn't make it right to mock them, and it didn't mean the majority had a point it just made them bullies.

Meanwhile as to your "Concern" a kid will never know. If they see a female character change to a male one, they will know it's a game, it will be no more odd then a mermaid growing legs, or Samus taking off her power armor at the end of Metroid, or Mulan telling the Emperor he was a she or the hilarity that ensues when tea kettles and dish pans fly in Ranma, they just accept it as part of the fantasy before them.

I watched a woman drag her kid out of a Ranma 1/2 showing, then proceed to deflower her kids mind by trying to explain to him why what he saw was wrong. Until that moment he didn't know anything was wrong, there was no damage because the child couldn't perceive any, it was only during the process of trying to explain it that it all went horribly south.

This whole issue is like AC/DC's Big Balls , the song is about ballroom dancing unless you insist it's about something else.

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Where the hell were you when Silver Mantis was added into the game?

Yeah, didn't think so. Grow up.

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KithDPine, good points. However, I will point out that is ok to make fun of Canadians.

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Where the hell were you when Silver Mantis was added into the game?

Yeah, didn't think so. Grow up.

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Oh hey, I forgot about her. So Domi's not the only one.

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Where the hell were you when Silver Mantis was added into the game?

Yeah, didn't think so. Grow up.

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Oh hey, I forgot about her. So Domi's not the only one.

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Domi's pretty tame. Her objectionable stuff is all subtext. Silver Mantis is, well, text.

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if you have COSTUME SLOTS that look like men and some COSTUME SLOTS that look like females that is called drag.

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I finally figured out why this guy has this hangup that this is "crossdressing". It's because he's stuck on the term "Costume Slots". He's taking that term literally to have in-game reality or something.

Because it has the word "Costume" in it, he's assuming it's an outfit the character puts on. Apparently he then assumes that slot 0 is the "real" gender of the 'toon and if you switch, then you're "putting on" a costume that "looks like" another gender. He is unable to conceive that a costume slot is anything but exactly that: an outfit worn by the Character in Costume Slot 0.

If the devs had called them "Character Incarnations" instead of "Costume Slots", apparently he'd have no issue. He's just stuck on the word "Costume"!

Well that's one mystery solved. It still doesn't explain the whole Bugs Bunny Paradox however.

PS: how often does one get to use a phrase like "Bugs Bunny Paradox"?

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