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Also, Taunt (including the Taunt from punchvoking things) generates so much Threat, that your Threat Level is only really relevant if there's someone else Taunting the enemies. If you're the only one doing it, the Taunts will still hold aggro regardless.

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Mostly true, but not quite - about a week ago I pulled aggro off of a (level 50) Fire/? Tanker who was running Blazing Aura with my (sk'd to 49) Fire/Fire blaster. I waited for several seconds so that they were all grouped (hey, it made sense; I'm throwing 4 AoEs in a row), so it wasn't an issue of the mobs just not having aggro set before I hit them.

If you're doing significantly more damage than the Tanker, you'll still get the mobs' attention.


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Not sure if this qualifies, but as the situation no longer exists its probably safe to state:

[Pre-I9 Hamidon] Entering the Hamidon goo will buff Hamidon's mez resistance.


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Powers that reduce Threat modifier by 1: (According to latest edition of City of Data)

Super Speed
Invisibility
Phase Shift
Superior Invisibility
Group Invisibility
Quantum Flight
Nebulous Form

Powers that do not effect Threat modifier:

Stealth
Grant Invisibility
Cloak of Darkness
Energy Cloak
Arctic Fog
Shadow Fall
Steamy Mist
Cloaking Device (both Blaster and SoA versions)
Mask Presence
Shadow Cloak
All forms of Hide

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Thank you for clarifying exactly what powers modify Threat Rating.


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AOE knockback powers fling targets in all directions.


 

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Also, Taunt (including the Taunt from punchvoking things) generates so much Threat, that your Threat Level is only really relevant if there's someone else Taunting the enemies. If you're the only one doing it, the Taunts will still hold aggro regardless.

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Mostly true, but not quite - about a week ago I pulled aggro off of a (level 50) Fire/? Tanker who was running Blazing Aura with my (sk'd to 49) Fire/Fire blaster. I waited for several seconds so that they were all grouped (hey, it made sense; I'm throwing 4 AoEs in a row), so it wasn't an issue of the mobs just not having aggro set before I hit them.

If you're doing significantly more damage than the Tanker, you'll still get the mobs' attention.

[/ QUOTE ]You say that like a fire/fire blaster is even capable of not pulling agro off even an Ice Armor tank that took taunt.


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A girl scout could pull agro off my ice tanker when I forget to turn my armors back on. However, I'm going to pretend that's a rare occurrence.


 

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Granite decreases accuracy.
You can't attack with superior invis.
Targeted heals and debuffs decrease XP if you're not on the persons team.
Confuse decreases your XP over time.

Thats all I can think of off the top of my head

[/ QUOTE ]Granite used to be like that long ago. Superior invis used to be like this before it got buff to actually be better than regular invis. As for the confuse thing it can go both ways on that if you have a really aoe heavy team. For example if you got a ton of blasters taking turns nuking then any damage confuse would have done prior to that nuke would have been over kill and reduce the xp over time.


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Stealth or Invisibility makes a tanker unable to get or hold aggro.

[/ QUOTE ]Some forms of invis lowers the threat level making it harder to maintain aggro.


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Stealth or Invisibility makes a tanker unable to get or hold aggro.

[/ QUOTE ]Some forms of invis lowers the threat level making it harder to maintain aggro.

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already been pointed out and clarified


 

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Well this is one I run into with my Hero I'm working on

All Defenders can heal.

My Trick Arrow/Electricity Defender would have trouble healing others (maybe handing out green inspirations)


 

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AOE knockback powers fling targets in all directions.

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This one isn't really a myth. If they're used intelligently, they don't fling enemies all over the place. If they're not used intelligently, they absolutely DO spread targets all over.


 

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Well this is one I run into with my Hero I'm working on

All Defenders can heal.

My Trick Arrow/Electricity Defender would have trouble healing others (maybe handing out green inspirations)

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What, you have gotten your heal arrow yet ? And the Clear Mind arrow is great, too bad it only works on the enemies, in one ear and out the other


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Well this is one I run into with my Hero I'm working on

All Defenders can heal.

My Trick Arrow/Electricity Defender would have trouble healing others (maybe handing out green inspirations)

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What, you have gotten your heal arrow yet ? And the Clear Mind arrow is great, too bad it only works on the enemies, in one ear and out the other

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The really braindead thing about that fallacy is that a good number of defender sets dont have heals

Sonic res, Force fields and trick arrow have no heals
Cold domination has a +hp buff, thats not really a heal as such

So 40% of defender sets don't have heals.


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AOE knockback powers fling targets in all directions.

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This one isn't really a myth. If they're used intelligently, they don't fling enemies all over the place. If they're not used intelligently, they absolutely DO spread targets all over.

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The myth isn't that knockback can cause a ton of chaos, it's that a targeted AoE knockback will send everyone away from the point of impact. What actually happens with every single knockback power is that the enemies will be sent directly away from the caster.

EDIT: I noticed someone asked about stealth's defense suppressing when you attack. It partially suppresses, the defense drops to about half. I run stealth constantly on my SR scrapper who has his defenses monitored constantly, and my stealth drops from 3.75 to 1.38 when I attack.


 

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AOE knockback powers fling targets in all directions.

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This one isn't really a myth. If they're used intelligently, they don't fling enemies all over the place. If they're not used intelligently, they absolutely DO spread targets all over.

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The myth isn't that knockback can cause a ton of chaos, it's that a targeted AoE knockback will send everyone away from the point of impact. What actually happens with every single knockback power is that the enemies will be sent directly away from the caster.

EDIT: I noticed someone asked about stealth's defense suppressing when you attack. It partially suppresses, the defense drops to about half. I run stealth constantly on my SR scrapper who has his defenses monitored constantly, and my stealth drops from 3.75 to 1.38 when I attack.

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It should drop to 1.88 (actually 1.875, but the game only shows 2 decimal places) for a Scrapper, not 1.38.

While suppressed, the defense in Stealth is identical to the defense scalar used in Hover and Combat Jumping (the exact defense % of which will vary by AT modifier). This is also true for Hide, Superior Invisibility, Mask Presence (which goes from 7.5% to 2.5%), and the Blaster version of Cloaking Device; the Bane Spider version of Cloaking Device provides more unsuppressed defense (3.75% vs 2.5% for Combat Jumping) but still is cut in half.

Invisibility, Grant Invisibility and Group Invisibility only suppress stealth radius and the defense value is constant.

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It does have an end crash

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Thats -end,, not -recov <_<


 

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I wish the one about Karma: Knockback Protection in Dispersion Bubble were true. I would never have remade my Bots/Bubbles Mastermind as Bots/Traps. Do putting any of those global effects into PBAoE buffs make them affect everyone in the buff area?

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I don't think so. Global IO's, buff procs, and heal procs affect the caster (there might be some bugged exceptions here); damage procs and debuff procs affect foes.

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Well, Performance Shifter Chance for Endurance in Speed Boost will give the target of the power the benefits of the proc should it fire rather than the user. So you could slot it in Recovery Aura to give everyone a minor chance for a minor endurance refill each time you used it. I can't think of any others that might work that way, but they would all be proc effects rather than the constant bonuses. So, close, but not quite.


 

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Stealth or Invisibility makes a tanker unable to get or hold aggro.

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I had someone try and pull that on a team the other day. After someond did Group Invis and started stacking the sigle target ones on people, the Leader said "Don't invis the Tanks!". Someone else agreed with them, and then the player apologized for doing it.

I had to take a minute and try to explainit to them .. sure, it lowers us getting aggro initially .. but ONLY initially. As soon as we aggro them (which is supposed to be our Job) the stealth component in neutralized by the game, as is part of the Defense bonus. But it still gives us some Defense bonus in the fight, and it lets us determine when and where we are when we start the fight.

During the fight itself the +Stealth portions isn't even functioning.


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During the fight itself the +Stealth portions isn't even functioning.

[/ QUOTE ]Group Invis doesn't suppress


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My personal favorute power myths

Empathy is a healing set

Defenders are healers


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Hasten has a recov debuff >_>

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True story: I avoided getting Hasten for a while because the power description implied (at least to me) that powers cost more endurance while it was running.


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My personal favorute power myths

Empathy is a healing set

Defenders are healers

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Many just call them healers because it's easier and more accurate than calling them support. (Swear to gawd that is the actual argument i've seen used.)

Personally i prefer the term "support", even if it is somehow harder than typing "healer". i've also convinced myself that support is in general a more accurately descriptive term than healer. But what do i know?


Other myths: There are still people who think that the only thing Speed Boost does is make you run faster. Not nearly as many as there used to be, but they're still out there.


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I would have sworn on a stack of Klondike Bars that I already posted this:

I was on a team where one player kept telling me to get closer. (I was a Blaster, on a good team. In that situation I don't DO "closer".) He finally explained that I'd hit more often if I got closer.

He was convinced that distance affected accuracy/to hit. No amount of "discussion" from the rest of the team would convince him otherwise, and he finally quit, saying we were all "lamas loosers". (still my favorite incoherent insult.)

Then I saw someone else describe virtually the same experience in the forums. I sure hope it was the same guy, and that there aren't TWO of him out there.


 

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My personal favorute power myths

Empathy is a healing set

Defenders are healers

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Many just call them healers because it's easier and more accurate than calling them support. (Swear to gawd that is the actual argument i've seen used.)

Personally i prefer the term "support", even if it is somehow harder than typing "healer". i've also convinced myself that support is in general a more accurately descriptive term than healer. But what do i know?


Other myths: There are still people who think that the only thing Speed Boost does is make you run faster. Not nearly as many as there used to be, but they're still out there.

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Except healers is less accurate than support >_> By a large friggin margin.

Its like calling Clerics in Dungeons and Dragons the "healer" class, nevermind they have tons of self-buffs, Full Plate and heavy weapon proficiencies, and a decent array of high damage offensive spells too.


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"lamas loosers".

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Myth: If you piss off a given llama so much that it spits/throws up at you, all llamas forevermore will spit at you on sight.

So all of you llama misbehavors, who only misbehaved once: Take hope! Llamas can still llove you!


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