The LRSF is broken. Plain and simple.

Id reply to that, but the Sun was in my eyes.



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Nukes and Shivans are not required, but certainly make things go much smoother.

A perma-Mind dom is not required either, but makes things go much smother.

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Yeah, we just quit out of an all-MM run, believe it or not.

We had one MM quit at the very start (we had temp powers off and no defeats, trying for a Master run). Had one defeat in the first mission, inadvertently.

Everything went swimmingly until the last mission; we set up our MMs, I pulled Numina and we killed her. Then Posi, BaBs, Synapse came. We tried dropping Posi and couldn't (the others had killed two of the MMs at this point) so we regrouped and tried ANOTHER pull on Manticore, since he was away from the rest. Along came States, BaBs, Psyche and Posi. We worked on Posi for a while but States pulverized one of the MMs.

One of the MMs quit at that point, leaving us with 6. Tried a rush with no luck, called it a night.

By all means, our team SHOULD have been able to handle the Phalanx with ease but there was a lot of arguing about pulling, rushing, who to pull, how to pull, who to focus on etc. The leader wasn't really sure where to go with the TF, we tried to help him out but it just was interminable.

Sad part is, I'm sure if I did it with a different friend on his Spider we'd breeze it. :/

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Just because something CAN be beaten, doesn't mean its a good design.

If something CAN be beaten, but only in a very limited number of ways, or by limited types of ATs or Powers. That's bad design.

I've never run an LRSF, but everyone here that has said it can be done has said you need VEATS or a mind dom. If 3 ATs are the key to this, that's not good design.

One of these days I will have to find a team that's up for it and give it a try.

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Power boosted Transfusion and transference floor regen and recovery, backed with PB'd -def and some -res (Proc-based)...it was kinda laughable how easy the whole experience was. Sure we had a couple wipes against the Phalanx, but it wasn't wasn't anything a slight change in tactics didn't solve.

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I agree with not needing temporary powers, but I think you really need to learn exactly what does what against AVs.

PB'd Transfusion? Practically nothing - first off, Power Boost doesn't affect -regen or -recovery, and -50% that gets resisted by a +3 AV to -4.55% isn't really helping a whole lot. And a Rad/Kin has 0 sources of -recovery, Power Boost or no. And -defense is resisted by just as much as the -recovery (90.9% after factoring in both AV resistance at level 53 and the purple patch).

Your biggest contribution in that fight was Fulcrum Shift (for the -dam just as much as the +dam) and whatever -resistance procs fired, since those are only resisted by the AV's damage resistance to those particular types.

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People still complain about this?

I thought that by now there are probably a gazillion guides on how not only beat it, but how to beat it quickly.

Any combination of the following makes it trivial:

* 5 or more corruptors, any variety
* Granite brute
* Mind dom
* 2 or more nukes
* 3 or more VEATs, any variety
* Experienced players (this can be substituted for any of the above).

I haven't done this SF for some time, but I've done it with some teams that were far from optimal. It does not require an optimal team. An optimal team only speeds up the completion time.

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According to what you just said, without any of those you can't complete this SF.

While any TF blueside you could be braindead & still win so long you have your team there, including there Big Boy STF, the STF is 500x easier then LRSF.

So no random PuG can do this, unlike Blue where its high favors a Random PuG will do this.

If I go in to LRSF with 2 Brutes(Non Granite) Say a Dark Miasma & Pain Corrupter, 2 Doms(Non Mind) & 1 Stalker & 1 MM who say is poison.


Odds are they won't complete this(Because its a PuG you can guess half team if not 90% of them doesnt have a Shivan or Nukes.)


So without very specific combinations, Its going be undo-able, this leaves every other AT power combination that isnt what you need for LRSF out in the Cold, unless you got a pity spot.


JJ

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Yeah, we just quit out of an all-MM run, believe it or not.

We had one MM quit at the very start (we had temp powers off and no defeats, trying for a Master run). Had one defeat in the first mission, inadvertently.

Everything went swimmingly until the last mission; we set up our MMs, I pulled Numina and we killed her. Then Posi, BaBs, Synapse came. We tried dropping Posi and couldn't (the others had killed two of the MMs at this point) so we regrouped and tried ANOTHER pull on Manticore, since he was away from the rest. Along came States, BaBs, Psyche and Posi. We worked on Posi for a while but States pulverized one of the MMs.

One of the MMs quit at that point, leaving us with 6. Tried a rush with no luck, called it a night.

By all means, our team SHOULD have been able to handle the Phalanx with ease but there was a lot of arguing about pulling, rushing, who to pull, how to pull, who to focus on etc. The leader wasn't really sure where to go with the TF, we tried to help him out but it just was interminable.

Sad part is, I'm sure if I did it with a different friend on his Spider we'd breeze it. :/

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the leader of that tf was a powerlevelled noob who didnt know what bodyguard meant at 50.

with three ffg's going, statesman still one shot me and all my henchmen at once. we didnt have enough of the right kinds of debuffs to deal with absurdly overpowered heroes when we had no way of pulling them one at a time.

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According to what you just said, without any of those you can't complete this SF.

While any TF blueside you could be braindead & still win so long you have your team there, including there Big Boy STF, the STF is 500x easier then LRSF.

So no random PuG can do this, unlike Blue where its high favors a Random PuG will do this.

If I go in to LRSF with 2 Brutes(Non Granite) Say a Dark Miasma & Pain Corrupter, 2 Doms(Non Mind) & 1 Stalker & 1 MM who say is poison.


Odds are they won't complete this(Because its a PuG you can guess half team if not 90% of them doesnt have a Shivan or Nukes.)


So without very specific combinations, Its going be undo-able, this leaves every other AT power combination that isnt what you need for LRSF out in the Cold, unless you got a pity spot.


JJ

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The team you listed should be able to buy inspirations and bum rush Numina as I stated previously in this thread.

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the leader of that tf was a powerlevelled noob who didnt know what bodyguard meant at 50.

with three ffg's going, statesman still one shot me and all my henchmen at once. we didnt have enough of the right kinds of debuffs to deal with absurdly overpowered heroes when we had no way of pulling them one at a time.

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That was a mess and you have my apologies Jupiter.
Hope the rest of your week and playtime is better.

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PB'd Transfusion? Practically nothing - first off, Power Boost doesn't affect -regen or -recovery, and -50% that gets resisted by a +3 AV to -4.55% isn't really helping a whole lot. And a Rad/Kin has 0 sources of -recovery, Power Boost or no. And -defense is resisted by just as much as the -recovery (90.9% after factoring in both AV resistance at level 53 and the purple patch).

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Ok, I admit that AV debuff resistance are extreme...but that 5% you can slip past can still make a huge difference with repeated applications (PB'd or not). Have you ever looked at what an AV actually has for a regen rating? It's nothing spectacular really, it's the fact they ignore 95% of all debuffs that hurts.

And Transference doesn't do -recovery, meh...that was my mistake. -40% end every 30 seconds or less works just fine as well...no endurance is still no endurance, their recovery isn't high enough to get off more then a couple attacks before they get drained again.

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"I might not be 'l33t', but that doesn't change that you're still a noob..."

I've been on teams with Godchild running that character, and I've seen AVs get drained to empty from it. It's pretty cool.

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According to what you just said, without any of those you can't complete this SF.

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No, not exactly, though maybe I wasn't as clear as I could've been. Those things make the SF go easier, but they aren't hard and fast requirements for completion.

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While any TF blueside you could be braindead & still win so long you have your team there, including there Big Boy STF, the STF is 500x easier then LRSF.

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I've failed many more STFs than LRSFs, so I guess YMWV. Though, I don't think the STF is that tough either.

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So no random PuG can do this, unlike Blue where its high favors a Random PuG will do this.

If I go in to LRSF with 2 Brutes(Non Granite) Say a Dark Miasma & Pain Corrupter, 2 Doms(Non Mind) & 1 Stalker & 1 MM who say is poison.

Odds are they won't complete this(Because its a PuG you can guess half team if not 90% of them doesnt have a Shivan or Nukes.)

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I've completed the LRSF with far worse teams. And hopefully, I'm not coming across as arrogant or condescending. But my experience is in direct contrast with your statement.

The last time I did the LRSF, Pain Domination wasn't yet an available power set. I have a screenshot (somewhere) where I completed it with 3 dominators (2 x plant, 1 gravity), 1 /dark MM, 2 stalkers, 1 brute, and me (sonic/sonic corruptor). 4 of the team had Shivans and we put them to use, no one had nukes.

We all went to Pocket D, bought purples and oranges, ate a boatload of em and rushed them en masse, taking out Numina and Sister Psyche before we wiped. It took one more mass wipe until we managed to get Statesman and Citadel by themselves, and then it was just two heroes versus 8 villains. It was a special LRSF because neither of the stalkers, the MM and two of the doms had completed it before.

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I just finished an RSF with a pug

im a stalker 4 corrs 1 widow 2 brutes neither was a stone brute

0 nukes 0 shivians

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According to what you just said, without any of those you can't complete this SF.

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No. What they said was that any of the above items makes the SF trivial to beat.

I've done two RSF so far. The first was Trickshooter's all-Corr team. It was a little rocky at the end, but not a huge deal.

A day later, I did it with the same toon and a PUG. If anything, it went FASTER. No nukes. No shivans.

Things that can make it a female dog:

* People quitting
* People not listening to the team leader
* A leader who doesn't explain things to a group of possible SF virgins.
* People going off and doing their own thing in the middle of a fight (*insert AT*-lock is a Bad Thing).

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As long as half the team is corruptors, you're fine, right?

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As long as half the team is corruptors, you're fine, right?

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2 kins 1 dark and a thermal

it was who ever was in RV at the time

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As long as half the team is corruptors, you're fine, right?

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Usually we only have 1 or 2.

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honestly i think its more about skill of the players

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You're missing the point...it's not what makes up the team that ultimately affects the outcome.

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* People quitting
* People not listening to the team leader
* A leader who doesn't explain things to a group of possible SF virgins.
* People going off and doing their own thing in the middle of a fight (*insert AT*-lock is a Bad Thing).

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If none of those situations come up, you should be fine.

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"I might not be 'l33t', but that doesn't change that you're still a noob..."

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Why does everyone seem to think Nukes and Shivans are mandatory temps needed for anything hard?

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Because at least for the LRSF... they are required.

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Constructive criticism.

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Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.

It's a penguin thing. Pingu FTW.

I don't think the LRSF is even supposed to be beatable the way the game is balanced. We're supposed to need a team to take down 1 AV. Apparently someone thought it would be reasonable for us to fight 8 at the same time.

Clearly anyone beating this strike force is exploiting somehow and should be reported.

Oh man, and the badge you get is Servant of Recluse. That's it. That's your big accomplishment. You got to level 50 and beat the Freedom Phalanx. You've worked your way up to "servant." Great job!

City of Villains is the most insulting game I have ever played.

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I'm not a power-gamer, but I've been on teams that have trounced the LRSF in less than an hour. I must have done it six times. Failed once on Dr Aeon (even when the entire team went and got Shivans, we just weren't sorted out to do the TF).

I've always done it with my L50 mastermind. I've never done it with a Dominator OR VEATs or any of the Warburg nukes.

It's not impossible for a bunch of good players. Not at all.

Ex

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is this a serious discussion?

The LRSF and STF are two of the toughest challenges in the game

or along those lines of the loading screen tips

In my humble opinion...the kills should be in this order:

Numina, Sister Psyche, Positron, Synapse, Citadel, BaBs, Manticore, Statesman.

Despite that...after Positron, you can pick who you want to take out next, the 3 biggest threats will be down.

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According to what you just said, without any of those you can't complete this SF.

While any TF blueside you could be braindead & still win so long you have your team there, including there Big Boy STF, the STF is 500x easier then LRSF.

So no random PuG can do this, unlike Blue where its high favors a Random PuG will do this.

If I go in to LRSF with 2 Brutes(Non Granite) Say a Dark Miasma & Pain Corrupter, 2 Doms(Non Mind) & 1 Stalker & 1 MM who say is poison.


Odds are they won't complete this(Because its a PuG you can guess half team if not 90% of them doesnt have a Shivan or Nukes.)


So without very specific combinations, Its going be undo-able, this leaves every other AT power combination that isnt what you need for LRSF out in the Cold, unless you got a pity spot.


JJ

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The team you listed should be able to buy inspirations and bum rush Numina as I stated previously in this thread.

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our all mm team took out numina..then wiped. because numina came with positron and citadel. citadel was in the back taking out pets left and right.

next attempt we tried to pull only positron. we got positron, statesman, citadel and back alley brawler.

the inspiration tray isnt big enough for a single mm to bum-rush anything.


so anyone who says any combination of villains can do this is full of garbage. if you are TRUELY pugging it, then your team being mostly mm's is a real possiblity. or mostly corruptors or mostly brutes or mostly doms.

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See thing is, each statement is Do X this with X that, WHIPE, then repeat.


Shouldnt have to all die after AVs & continue this, STF every single one I did, we all died once, out of 7 of em I did.


LRSF your expected to all die, thats silly.


JJ

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