The LRSF is broken. Plain and simple.

Or you just have a Cold/ Defender on your team and not worry about her heal.

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I usually bring Force Fields, but that means I usually bring a herd of Blasters as well.

I've only done the STF about five times. Last time we accidentally pulled Mako, Scirocco, AND Ghost Widow. I choose to believe the Force Fields are the reason why that wasn't a problem.

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Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.

So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.

That's why I have Laser Beam Eyes.

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That's why I have Laser Beam Eyes.

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I don't see how that helps you in City of Heroes ... oh wait, you were talking about City of Heroes.

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That's why I have Laser Beam Eyes.

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Must be heck on your monitor.

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My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.

"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question

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Or you just have a Cold/ Defender on your team and not worry about her heal.

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Yet another reason Cold is all-around awesome on that TF.

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Having Vengeance and Fallout slotted for recharge means never having to say you're sorry.

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So the STF takes longer because the Heroes are afraid to fight?

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Ghost Widow has Dark Regeneration. The fewer people in melee, the smaller the chance that she'll abruptly recover thousands and thousands of HP.

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I'm aware of GW's Dark Regen.
Defensive buffs should be more than enough to deal with it.
Additionally -Regen,-Recharge or the rarer -Heal(which as pointed out above Cold Dom has) can all deal with it.

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it boggles my mind that someone who claims that hamidon is difficult, but doable finds the LRSF so tough. Unless of course them mean a heroside hami raid. I've never been on a sucessful one villainside, but I digress.
I don't believe the LRSF to be so hard a challenge it needs to be changed. And for the record, I've never done it with shivans and/or nukes.

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What part of phnglui mglw'nafl Cthulhu r'lyeh w'gah nagl fhtagn don't you understand?

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I usually bring Force Fields, but that means I usually bring a herd of Blasters as well.

I've only done the STF about five times. Last time we accidentally pulled Mako, Scirocco, AND Ghost Widow. I choose to believe the Force Fields are the reason why that wasn't a problem.

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Better yet, get shivans, veng and kill all 4 AVs in their pit at once

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I usually bring Force Fields, but that means I usually bring a herd of Blasters as well.

I've only done the STF about five times. Last time we accidentally pulled Mako, Scirocco, AND Ghost Widow. I choose to believe the Force Fields are the reason why that wasn't a problem.

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Better yet, get shivans, veng and kill all 4 AVs in their pit at once

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You need shivans and Veng to pull that off? Just bring a Cold/ Def and you'll not need any gimmicks.

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I usually bring Force Fields, but that means I usually bring a herd of Blasters as well.

I've only done the STF about five times. Last time we accidentally pulled Mako, Scirocco, AND Ghost Widow. I choose to believe the Force Fields are the reason why that wasn't a problem.

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Better yet, get shivans, veng and kill all 4 AVs in their pit at once

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You need shivans and Veng to pull that off? Just bring a Cold/ Def and you'll not need any gimmicks.

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True, but shivans + veng work for any team make up...

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Very true. I used to have a Shivan "tank" for my dark/sonic def when I fought AVs.

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So you need your "OPTIMAL" team 95% of the time to make this work, everyone else gets left out.

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This just isn't true.

Unless you define "optimal team" as "something that can tank an AV and a lot of damage and buff/debuff". Some healing doesn't suck.

There are a ton of ways for villains to fill that team description. /Cold, /Therm or /Rad Corrs; /FF MMs; /Dark Corrs and MMs; any kind of VEAT. My personal preference is that there be a Brute with a T9 godmode, but I've actually been the one on the team with a Brute that didn't have one.

You need to buff to the gills, run in and take down Numina while you're buffed. The usual order I see starts with Numina, Sis Psyche and Positron and ends with Statesman and sometimes Manticore last. How the others go seem less important.

Yes, it's "hard" in the sense that the AVs represent a boatload of concentrated threat, but you can usually overcome that with heavy duty buffs, particularly +defense, +damage and +recharge.

Shivans are the one thing you can't really replicate with team buffers and debuffers, since they can be buffed as well, and share aggro. Since I've got the Master Of the LRSF badge on my main villain badger, I know Shivans aren't required. They just make it (possibly significantly) easier.

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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

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So the STF takes longer because the Heroes are afraid to fight?

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Ghost Widow has Dark Regeneration. The fewer people in melee, the smaller the chance that she'll abruptly recover thousands and thousands of HP.

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So, short answer, yes.

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While you might have mitigated the difficulty of the SF itself, you're still using several specific combos to do it.


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You don't need specific combos to do it. I've done it many times with many different combinations. I've seen a lot of people mention VEATS - what about all the times it was completed before those even came into the game? You don't need any specific combination other than a balance of defense and offense and yes, some Shivans certainly help. You don't need to stack Vengeance to get it done, but having Vengeance in any capacity helps. You should also expect to die, probably more than once, in the last mission.

I avoid doing this TF, or most any TF, on a PuG because you never know who won't be a team player or who will up a quit when things get dicey. Could this TF be changed and made less difficult? Absolutely. Is it unfairly difficult in comparison to the STF? I think it is. Getting the MoLRSF without being a "powergamer" is going to be much harderf than just completing it. It it broken? I've completed it far too many times to go so far as to call it that.

And though it is tricky, I've seen the Phalanx pulled apart in the last mission. It's not likely you'll be able to get just one or even two at a time, but I know I'v done it without getting alll of them. I do wish it were easier to separate them.

I also wish they'd put a freaking hospital on that map. That fact alone makes the LRSF unnecessarily difficult in comparison to the STF.

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~Missi

http://tinyurl.com/yhy333s

Miss Informed in 2016! She can't be worse than all those other guys!

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So you need your "OPTIMAL" team 95% of the time to make this work, everyone else gets left out.

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This just isn't true.

Unless you define "optimal team" as "something that can tank an AV and a lot of damage and buff/debuff". Some healing doesn't suck.

I agree with Uber_Guy on this one. You do not need any specific combination of characters to play. Anyone who insists you do either wants only to do it the easiest/fastest way, has only been on teams where it's been done that way and doesn't know any better, is afraid of doing it any other way, or is just incompetent.

Most of them probably fall into the first or second category. If your goal is to get it done the fastest/easiest way, yes, you might well want a certain mix of powersets. If you just want to get it done, you just need a balanced team of good players who don't mind things getting tough and who won't quit when things get dicey.

Seriously, that's the only requirement.

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~Missi

http://tinyurl.com/yhy333s

Miss Informed in 2016! She can't be worse than all those other guys!

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It's like 2006 all over again... The FP used to be all level 54, and we had neither perma doms nor VEATs. Those were the days. The LRSF now is pretty easy if you have the right team build, where "right" is a lot looser than it used to be. If you don't... well, there's always the ITF.

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And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines

I remember when DOMS and STALKERS got laughed at, when they even suggested being on a LRSF team.

Things have changed.
But people have not.

Some people REALLY SUCK at doing the LRSF.

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