Why on earth after 5 years Is there no Log Out...

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Because if someone knows how to do this, when the game is still on, there you go. They can go 'lawlz' enable the security lax, and then proceed. it's not helping the security people are concerned with.

With love,
Me! <3

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Huh?, I said account management screen, it was already pointed that the menu option wouldn't work.

~MM

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Because if someone knows how to do this, when the game is still on, there you go. They can go 'lawlz' enable the security lax, and then proceed. it's not helping the security people are concerned with.

With love,
Me! <3

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Huh?, I said account management screen, it was already pointed that the menu option wouldn't work.

~MM

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Ah, i was thinking like an 'out of game' account management screen, I mistook your meaning, I apologize.

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There's still no reason presented why it shouldn't be an option for those who want it with the added security of enabling or disabling it being available only through Account Management.

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This is a true statement, if someone wants to go into their account management screen and check a box that says "This will enable quitting to character select screen, I accept responsibility for any consequences of enabling this option" or something to that effect. Frankly I don't understand why people are so bothered by this.

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Actually that is exactly what I said, The option on the NCSoft Game Account Management page.

~MM

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Have the return to character select require your password, but give a faster log-out time (10 seconds or so).

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Why does it bother you if someone has the option to reduce security on their own account?

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I guess the only problem I'd have with it is the fact that people will disable it, some will run into trouble, and they will hold NCSoft responsible. Whether they should or not is kind of a moot point; you still have an angry customer, wasted time by the CS folks, etc. After seeing this exact thing happen in other games, I'm rather leery of it.

The way I see it, we'll always have the 30-second countdown no matter what. Typing my password takes about a half-second, so it's negligible in comparison.

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Have the return to character select require your password, but give a faster log-out time (10 seconds or so).

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I always thought part of the reason the 30 seconds was there was to prevent people from getting themselves into trouble then logging out to prevent death. Might be pulling that out of my [censored] though. xD

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Given the bugs we have now, I'm glad you have to go through the hassle rather than risk those sorts of mad-sploits.

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I guess the only problem I'd have with it is the fact that people will disable it, some will run into trouble, and they will hold NCSoft responsible.

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This would be their own choice, and agreeing to a disclaimer, such as "This will enable quitting to character select screen, I accept responsibility for any consequences of enabling this option" it would be their responsibility.

And I recall that the 30 second time out was indeed for the Identification of griefers.

~MM

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So after years and years of living life. Your biggest gripe is that you have to wait 30 seconds to switch characters in a video game?

heh

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Lets not forget this game wasn't an NCSoft creation. We don't know how different the login procedures are from NcSoft works. This might not be an easy fix. Look at how long it took the dev team to change the procedures so the game knew rather or not you were on a trial account.

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That's not the point. Guild Wars didn't have it either. They added it later.

This is dumb anyway. You people just like arguing for the sake of arguing.

Now it's "Think about the customer service reps!"...that's their freaking job. I don't care. They're getting paid to handle calls.

Arguing this with you people is like banging my head against a wall. I say make it available only through Account Management and the best you can come up with is Customer Service? Yeah I'm sure the company outsourced in India will flip over the 5 calls a year by some idiot who doesn't know how to switch users around wandering hands or paws.

Enjoy your safety hats you paranoid people. I honestly feel sorry for you at this point because nothing any of you post makes any sense. Half of you couldn't even keep up with the evolution of the proposal so you invented things that were no longer being said or never were said to begin with. So pathetic.

It's a game, not government information.

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There's still no reason presented why it shouldn't be an option for those who want it with the added security of enabling or disabling it being available only through Account Management.

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This is a true statement, if someone wants to go into their account management screen and check a box that says "This will enable quitting to character select screen, I accept responsibility for any consequences of enabling this option" or something to that effect. Frankly I don't understand why people are so bothered by this.

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I'm not bothered by it, I'd like it. But THAT is part of why it's bloody unlikely.

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This is dumb anyway. You people just like arguing for the sake of arguing.

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That about sums up the internet right there, mang.

You can stamp your foot and claim you're going home, but trying to claim we're at fault for whatever reason is ridiculous. It takes two to tango, after all. Sometimes more, if you get a good line dance going.

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So after years and years of living life. Your biggest gripe is that you have to wait 30 seconds to switch characters in a video game?

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No I was just saying that the 30 seconds was to ID griefers before they log, and it couldn't be removed because of that.

~MM

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This is dumb anyway. You people just like arguing for the sake of arguing.

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No we're not. It's just that it's a bad idea that adds nothing but potential grief to the Devs and to players while benefiting a tiny but amazingly persistent minority.

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It's funny that this is the only NC game that doesn't have a logout to character selection yet some people can't get how stupid it is that this game doesn't have it.

Co* has the most character slots available of any MMO on the market and yet to log out to character selection option. Seriously? It's not even the second largest MMO. There's no legion of people just waiting for lowered security just to delete your toons.

The main reason the argument against having this option is so stupid is if someone really wants to delete your toons and you walked away from your pc they can just install a keylogger on your computer and get all the information they want.

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Did you miss the explanation about how NCSoft is a Korean software company and much of the gaming in that region takes place in internet cafes? But other NC games are different? So what? Someone made a decision at some point. History and inertia often explain why things are the way they are. I won't debate whether this is "stupid" or not, as that doesn't further an intelligent discussion.


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My argument is that is should be an option to those who want it and available through Account Management.

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In a vacuum, I would agree. With all the other things that the programmers could spend time on, I don't. If we ever reach a point of buglessness, then sure.

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Enjoy your safety hats you paranoid people. I honestly feel sorry for you at this point because nothing any of you post makes any sense. Half of you couldn't even keep up with the evolution of the proposal so you invented things that were no longer being said or never were said to begin with. So pathetic.

It's a game, not government information.

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Classic example of deadlocked argument and one of the parts taking things personally.

You might not like the arguments proposed here, but they do make perfect sense (at least, most of them). Fact is: what you want is not presently possible, so, on a business level, there is a good justification for that. The accountability of the company is a perfectly valid example.

Information is important, whether it's governmental or private or just the color of the underwear of your character. You don't mind this admittedly small security breach. I do. So, who's right and who's wrong?

Please, don't kill any waiter that brings you mustard instead of ketchup. And don't feel sorry for me, I'm doing just fine

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This is dumb anyway. I just like arguing for the sake of arguing.

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Fixed that for you.

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This is dumb anyway. You people just like arguing for the sake of arguing.

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If I had a penny for every time someone said that...

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I decided to stop reading after a few pages, so if it was mentioned, sorry to repeat.

I remember when the log out to password was added. It annoyed me at the time, but currently I could really give a crap that I have to re-enter my password to change characters. I couldn't tell you the exact date or anything, but I know it happened when the game was live.

To find out if the log out to the log in screen had any purpose, should try and find out from someone in the company(if they keep records of such a thing for this long) if the change had an effect on petitions and complaints about wrongfully deleted characters.

Whatever the results are, unless there is a really good reason other than "other games do it", I don't foresee developers spending any time changing this when it's obvious not eveyone is finding this something that needs to change.

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You can't log in on a new character until the previous one finishes timing out anyway. So how time much would it really save? How long does it take to type in your password?

And if you're logging in multiple characters, and can't figure out how to get it down to three keystrokes, well, I'll give you a hint: "Tab, Paste, Enter".

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I am ashamed that so many people think the possibility that:
1) A person, solely through their own ignorance and stupidity,
2) who could harm only one self,
3) who might complain in a blatantly and obviously stupid manner

is a good reason not to give an OPTION.

It's an option. It harms no one but the incredibly and ridiculously stupid. The only arguments against this are "people might whine" and "I don't care about this option."

Damn... Personally, I don't care about this feature. It doesn't do anything for me personally. But shooting it down for that reason or "some idiot might be an idiot" is simply lunacy.

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I am ashamed that so many people think the possibility that:
1) A person, solely through their own ignorance and stupidity,
2) who could harm only one self,
3) who might complain in a blatantly and obviously stupid manner

is a good reason not to give an OPTION.

It's an option. It harms no one but the incredibly and ridiculously stupid. The only arguments against this are "people might whine" and "I don't care about this option."

Damn. I think you guys are incompetent. Personally, I don't care about this feature. It doesn't do anything for me personally. But shooting it down for that reason or "some idiot might be an idiot" is simply lunacy.

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You know, as I'm all for the legalization of [censored], gambling and [censored] all around, I think I might be with you on this.

By the same reasoning, I think we should go back to seatbelts being optional and not mandatory as well.

Dare to be stupid!

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I am ashamed that so many people think the possibility that:
1) A person, solely through their own ignorance and stupidity,
2) who could harm only one self,
3) who might complain in a blatantly and obviously stupid manner

is a good reason not to give an OPTION.

It's an option. It harms no one but the incredibly and ridiculously stupid. The only arguments against this are "people might whine" and "I don't care about this option."

Damn... Personally, I don't care about this feature. It doesn't do anything for me personally. But shooting it down for that reason or "some idiot might be an idiot" is simply lunacy.

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For the record, I agree it would be nice to have the option, and have said so.

But I don't see it happening for the reasons, both realistic and exaggerated, that have been cited.

And increasing the risk of people experiencing losses THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN (examples of that scenario having already been given), so people can shave 5 seconds off their time to switch characters IS a valid reason not to implement it.

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It's an option. It harms no one but the incredibly and ridiculously stupid. The only arguments against this are "people might whine" and "I don't care about this option."

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Actually, most of the arguments have stated "it's a security policy for a reason that NCSoft has decided to enact, and giving the option returns no realistic benefit while opening the door to a tsunami of moronitude." If I had to manage those "incredibly and ridiculously stupid" paying customers? I'd have a system just like this to keep things sane, sure.

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You can't log in on a new character until the previous one finishes timing out anyway. So how time much would it really save? How long does it take to type in your password?

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Actually, that's backwards. For example, if you loaded a second instance of the game and logged into another character on the same account, the new log-in takes priority. Oh, you'll get an error message, but hit the login button again and you WILL log in the new toon.

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