Why on earth after 5 years Is there no Log Out...

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I thought this was gonna be about a /logout slash command. There's /quit, but that goes to desktop and isn't quite it.

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This would be awesome.

I don't mind logging back in myself but I hate having to use the menu to logout.

Dang you devs forcing me to use my mouse!

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Qr - if I couldntbtrust someone with my coh password, I'm not sure I'd be happy trusting them with my actual life.

Eco

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Welcome to marriage?

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Qr - if I couldntbtrust someone with my coh password, I'm not sure I'd be happy trusting them with my actual life.

Eco

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Welcome to marriage?

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How in the world could logging out to char screen be a security hazard?

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Kid sibling/irritated significant other/drunk friend catches it and deletes all your 50s.

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I've heard a story that some Beta Tester's girlfriend did exactly this during the CoH Beta and that's why the policy is in place.

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I heard that story, but they had a hook for a Foot.

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My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.

"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question

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XP can be turned on and off in the menu options, logout to server or character select should be too. Make the default set how it is now, but allow players to choose their own logging options. No biggie.

Oh, and Zombie Mans' story was pretty damn funny.

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Exactly.

Honestly it's not even that big a deal. All these people talking about how a bus load of people are swarming around their PC waiting to delete their toons are full of it anyway.

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XP can be turned on and off in the menu options, logout to server or character select should be too. Make the default set how it is now, but allow players to choose their own logging options. No biggie.

Oh, and Zombie Mans' story was pretty damn funny.

~MM

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Exactly.

Honestly it's not even that big a deal. All these people talking about how a bus load of people are swarming around their PC waiting to delete their toons are full of it anyway.

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You have issues actually comprehending what's being said. Hyperbole does not help you in the least, either.

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Sure.

I don't buy bs scenarios that random people spout off on the internet to win an argument.

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I don't buy your complaint that it inconveniences you.

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Funny how people posting their experiences are both "overblown" and "BS" if they don't agree with you, hmm.

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Well, I've posted about my actual experiences with actual people -- not me, not made up, and (over the years) numerous incidents. You seem to have ignored my examples and to be under the impression this is a made-up problem born of paranoia.

Honestly, people will be unhappy either way. The Devs have chosen this way -- but they have to choose one way or the other. They've imposed minor inconvenience on everyone to spare a significant few from total disaster.

Now you're just flogging them for this choice -- lambasting them as paranoid in a public forum -- because you don't want a minor inconvenience.


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And, of course, you're asking for a reduction in security, which is generally a bad idea regardless of situation.

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I don't buy your complaint that it inconveniences you.

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Good thing I never said it inconvenienced me nor did I start this thread. I said it'd be nice to have the option.

Get over yourself.

You can't be trusted to keep your own account safe so no one can have the option to log out to character selection? Please.

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You know how we have the immediate "quit to descktop" option?

I would love to have an immediate "quit to log in" option. 30 seconds takes forever!

seriously.

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That 30 seconds is there for a reason, Teeko.


As for "quit to character select" or "quit to server select"? Bad idea. Especially with the in-game store now. If I were to leave my laptop alone for a minute to get a drink refill, someone could accidentally buy a bunch of character slots, spending money I may not have.

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Unlike most of you in this thread I'm not paranoid. I know no one will delete my toons.

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I switch users to keep what's on my screen from being seen by someone who probably doesn't want to see it.

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Exactly.

Honestly it's not even that big a deal. All these people talking about how a bus load of people are swarming around their PC waiting to delete their toons are full of it anyway.

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You mean to say that your real argument is that we just don't need passwords at all?

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That 30 seconds is there for a reason, Teeko.


As for "quit to character select" or "quit to server select"? Bad idea. Especially with the in-game store now. If I were to leave my laptop alone for a minute to get a drink refill, someone could accidentally buy a bunch of character slots, spending money I may not have.

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The in-game store didn't exist for several years. And that risk could be mitigated by requiring the user to retype their login credentials to confirm a transaction(and probably should be anyway).

I still think this whole thing about malicious people sneaking up to mess with other people's toons and accounts is a bit overblown.

Of course it can happen...but it doesn't happen everyday or to every person. Personally, I'm not all that worried about it changing or not...but the paranoia argument is still a bit wild.

No game company should be responsible for any other person's messed up personal life. If my ticked-off wife/girlfriend/family member decided to slip a centipede into my shoe while I was out of the room, I couldn't hold the shoe maker responsible for not putting a locking mechanism in place that closed the shoe the moment I took my foot out of it.

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Yes, but the safeguard is *already* in place, and removing it is just a, well, silly idea. Especially since it takes, at most a minute to type in a password.

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Exactly.

Honestly it's not even that big a deal. All these people talking about how a bus load of people are swarming around their PC waiting to delete their toons are full of it anyway.

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You mean to say that your real argument is that we just don't need passwords at all?

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Is that what I said?

Pretty sure I never said I even have the problems people are claiming to have in this thread on either side of the argument.

All i said is every player should have the option to choose if they want to be able to log out to character select or not and that it should be selectable from ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT for security.

Maybe everyone so busy ranting against this proposal should bother reading it first.

I don't think a single person in favor of this has said it shouldn't be an option that people can enable or disable depending on their preference.

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You know how we have the immediate "quit to descktop" option?

I would love to have an immediate "quit to log in" option. 30 seconds takes forever!

seriously.

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The problem with that is that the game will instantly auto-log-out any character that is currently logged in when you attempt to enter your password. Logging out to the log-in screen instantly will allow you to type in your password within about 10 seconds of logging out, thereby circumventing the countdown for the most part. Quitting to desktop is rather different, in that getting back into the game takes in the neighbourhood of 60 seconds anyway, and my machine isn't slow.

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To Server selection, or characters selection?
I find this SO frustrating? Is there some rational reason? I have been gone for a few years, i come back and its the same.
I hate that I have to log in every time I want to switch my toons.
Is this really something that is not requested?

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lol is it really that hard to type?

Make your password short so there is less stress.

Need some suggestions?


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I don't have a problem with how it is now, but do find myself annoyed at waiting 30 seconds to get to the login screen.

Since it takes less than 30 seconds for my computer to load the game up to it, I just quit to the desktop all the time.

Strictly playing devil's advocate:<ul type="square">[*]With regards to the store and ringing up a lot of charges on the credit card on file, in account management on the ncsoft website you can set a monthly spending limit - there's already a way to mitigate that issue.[*]While there is a chance of someone showing up at your computer after it has been left unattended and deleting all of your characters, it's also probably far less likely to happen than someone getting hit by a car and killed.[/list]
Those points aside, I don't care one way or the other - I really just wanted to point out that a lot of the problems with allowing it are just as minor as having to reload the game (or wait 30 seconds) to log back in.

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it's amazing what minor things annoy people...

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Character agro's a lot of enemies.

Sends the enemies to a bunch of lowbies.

Characters uses the quick log off feature before anybody can get the name/global of said player.

Sorry but they need to keep the 30 second timer in. For the hassle of keeping the few trouble makers at bay im all for it.

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Character agro's a lot of enemies.

Sends the enemies to a bunch of lowbies.

Characters uses the quick log off feature before anybody can get the name/global of said player.

Sorry but they need to keep the 30 second timer in. For the hassle of keeping the few trouble makers at bay im all for it.

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What troublemakers are you talking about? Do people have lurking family members or other nefarious individuals ready to mess with their(its the most important thing in the universe) COX characters?

I mean, really, is there a faction of troublemakers seeded across the earth who's soul purpose is to sabotage your virtual gaming life in COX?

What I find so amusing is that I've been playing MMOs for years. EQ, Jumpgate, EQ2, Ryzom, EVE, Tabula Rasa(rest in peace), Nine Dragons and the list goes on. I've met and interacted with families and couples who play. I have yet to come across a situation where what you people are making out to be common place occurred.

I'm part of a LAN party gaming group of about 50 people of varying ages from 18 - 40. Most of us play the same MMOs as well. I have yet to hear tell of this happening to any of them.

I'm not saying it could never happen to anyone, but there is no way that is the significant reason why we can't log to the character creation screen. There may well be some reason(like they haven't gotten around to it), but I'm doubtful that's it.

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typing your password again that big of a deal?

i mean everyones argument is that its not a big deal to go back to character select screen

Personally i like the mantra, if it is not broken why fix it?

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I don't buy your complaint that it inconveniences you.

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Good thing I never said it inconvenienced me nor did I start this thread. I said it'd be nice to have the option.

Get over yourself.

You can't be trusted to keep your own account safe so no one can have the option to log out to character selection? Please.

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I get the distinct sensation that you've never worked in customer service or tech support. Am I right?

Believe me, the stupid things that people do because it "seemed like a good idea at the time" would astound you. If it saves CS some work to have everyone take an extra second to input their password when switching characters (which is really all it takes unless you're an INCREDIBLY slow typist) then it is worth it.

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