Why on earth after 5 years Is there no Log Out...
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Posted on: 2009-05-18 22:01 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Vet Reward
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Valkyrie Pack
Magic Pack
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Valk Pack and Magic pack are boosters. They aren't from the start. You purchase them once you have an active sub, unless you start with those boxed sets.
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when you create a character after getting those packs, you have access to those capes from the start and don't have to wait till level 20, I believe that's what BuckeyeStar was getting at anyhow.
Also, when you buy the Mission Architect box, it comes with a free code that you get to choose either the Magic or Cyborg Booster Packs. Pick the Magic one and there ya go, you have high collar capes at level 1 with no Vet Rewards obtained.
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when you create a character after getting those packs, you have access to those capes from the start and don't have to wait till level 20, I believe that's what BuckeyeStar was getting at anyhow.
Also, when you buy the Mission Architect box, it comes with a free code that you get to choose either the Magic or Cyborg Booster Packs. Pick the Magic one and there ya go, you have high collar capes at level 1 with no Vet Rewards obtained.
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I don't have either so I can't verify it on a toon, but thats pretty messed up that you can pre 20. I do recall seeing ppl running around mercy with capes pre 20 so I'm pretty sure you're correct on that regardless.
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when you create a character after getting those packs, you have access to those capes from the start and don't have to wait till level 20, I believe that's what BuckeyeStar was getting at anyhow.
Also, when you buy the Mission Architect box, it comes with a free code that you get to choose either the Magic or Cyborg Booster Packs. Pick the Magic one and there ya go, you have high collar capes at level 1 with no Vet Rewards obtained.
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I don't have either so I can't verify it on a toon, but thats pretty messed up that you can pre 20. I do recall seeing ppl running around mercy with capes pre 20 so I'm pretty sure you're correct on that regardless.
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You get them because you paid specifically for them. (Or, again, they're rewards.) The only paid-for capew you don't get at level 1 are the CE capes (Arachnos/Four winds.)
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This whole idea of having to log back in with your password being considered "protection" is a farce.
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People I know have shared their passwords with girlfriends and the minute they break up, their toons vanish.
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Imagine how difficult that would be if they didn't share the password. Or any of the other situations mentioned here. No annoyed brother/SO/etc seeing the game running and deciding to delete everything. Situations that, yes, HAVE been mentioned in the past.
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How often would any of these proposed incidents occur? Not often enough to even be blip on customer services' radar. Besides, they can actually restore your deleted character.
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And by requiring logging out to an area that requires your password, it's even less of an issue, and even fewer restorations end up getting requested, freeing CS to take care of other petitions. Besides, the times I *do* hear of getting a character restored, the person who gets it done talks about weeks of waiting.
Requiring a password = no waiting, since the character is not deleted unless you *chose* to give the person your password.
What would you rather have to do - wait 30 whole long, agonizing seconds to log back in, or wait weeks and hope you get your character back?
[/ QUOTE ]Honestly, any of these proposed "incidents" would be rare at best. And why would you leave your computer unattended in the vicinity of someone you apparently can't trust to begin with? Seems to me these fictional victims have bigger problems.
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This whole idea of having to log back in with your password being considered "protection" is a farce.
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People I know have shared their passwords with girlfriends and the minute they break up, their toons vanish.
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Imagine how difficult that would be if they didn't share the password. Or any of the other situations mentioned here. No annoyed brother/SO/etc seeing the game running and deciding to delete everything. Situations that, yes, HAVE been mentioned in the past.
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How often would any of these proposed incidents occur? Not often enough to even be blip on customer services' radar. Besides, they can actually restore your deleted character.
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And by requiring logging out to an area that requires your password, it's even less of an issue, and even fewer restorations end up getting requested, freeing CS to take care of other petitions. Besides, the times I *do* hear of getting a character restored, the person who gets it done talks about weeks of waiting.
Requiring a password = no waiting, since the character is not deleted unless you *chose* to give the person your password.
What would you rather have to do - wait 30 whole long, agonizing seconds to log back in, or wait weeks and hope you get your character back?
[/ QUOTE ]Honestly, any of these proposed "incidents" would be rare at best. And why would you leave your computer unattended in the vicinity of someone you apparently can't trust to begin with? Seems to me these fictional victims have bigger problems.
[/ QUOTE ]Forgetfulness. Not everyone has the memory of a goldfish and remembers to log out when others are around. Other times you might have thought you could trust someone but it turns out you can't, or someone comes home early.
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Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Cake please.
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*brushes cake crumbs off of chin*
We're fresh out. We only had three bits and didn't expect such a rush.
Beanpie,
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I'm pretty amazed that people listed their own stupidity as a reason not to have a log out to character screen function.
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Never underestimate the ability of the average person (including yourself, and myself) to do stupid things.
Buckeyestar,
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Honestly, any of these proposed "incidents" would be rare at best. And why would you leave your computer unattended in the vicinity of someone you apparently can't trust to begin with? Seems to me these fictional victims have bigger problems.
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You would think that a locked car would be perfectly safe in a parking lot that is patrolled 24 hours a day. Yet, one was stolen from where I work in broad daylight.
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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Honestly, any of these proposed "incidents" would be rare at best. And why would you leave your computer unattended in the vicinity of someone you apparently can't trust to begin with? Seems to me these fictional victims have bigger problems.
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You don't trust your family?
You can *guarantee* your SO, kid, whoever, would NEVER do something just in a fit of anger they wouldn't otherwise do? Or some kid's sibling - who, being family, generally you would trust - wouldn't do it "because it's funny" or "I don't like that character?"
You've never had a family member or someone close to you take, change, or use something of yours without asking first, or because of whatever reason they'd felt at the time? Ever?
Again - if you think it'd be "barely a blip on the radar" WITH the option, well, it's an even smaller chance now where you need to put in the account and password. Why INCREASE the likelyhood?
Thank you. All these fictional scenarios are just stupid.
Every platform has a way of adding a password to safeguard your PC when you leave it. They're just making up lame excuses because change is so scary.
It's far more inconvientnet to have to log in and out to go get a glass of water or a pop tart then it is to go to the login screen when you want to swap characters.
There have been plenty of people who pop up in the Tech Support forum to complain about deleted toons even with the setup we have now.
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Thank you. All these fictional scenarios are just stupid.
Every platform has a way of adding a password to safeguard your PC when you leave it. They're just making up lame excuses because change is so scary.
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So glad you live in such a perfect world - perhaps you could invite the rest of us to visit you there?
Regarding your idea of setting a password to protect your computer when you step away - so you agree then that there is a need to protect data? Your "solution" only puts the protection at a different place - it does not remove the concept of password protected data from the use of a computer that might be accessed by others (which as some have tried to repeatedly point out to you is pretty much *any* computer).
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Case study:
One of my SG mates, stepped away from his keyboard in a hurry, due to an urgent situation.
if theres a bang/thump/other sound and my wife calls out, I'm not worring about logging out let me tell you
His 3 year old started banging away at keys and stuff. We see his global get renamed to gibberish akin to "riuweriuttutit" ask whats going on and funnily enough dont get a reply.
Thankfully, support was willing to correct the issue for him.
The process is about minimising the support time used up on these sorts of issues.
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It's far more inconvientnet to have to log in and out to go get a glass of water or a pop tart then it is to go to the login screen when you want to swap characters.
There have been plenty of people who pop up in the Tech Support forum to complain about deleted toons even with the setup we have now.
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Uh you would still have the option to stay logged in to go get that poptart.
The rest of us would have the option to log out to character select.
What is there to even complain against?
Make it optional by Account Management and then there's absolutely no argument against the request.
How on Earth do you get by on any other game when every other game has a log out to character select option?
Paranoia at it's best because I seriously do not believe this many people have someone gunning for their precious account just waiting to delete their characters...and if you do maybe it's you.
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Thank you. All these fictional scenarios are just stupid.
Every platform has a way of adding a password to safeguard your PC when you leave it. They're just making up lame excuses because change is so scary.
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So glad you live in such a perfect world - perhaps you could invite the rest of us to visit you there?
Regarding your idea of setting a password to protect your computer when you step away - so you agree then that there is a need to protect data? Your "solution" only puts the protection at a different place - it does not remove the concept of password protected data from the use of a computer that might be accessed by others (which as some have tried to repeatedly point out to you is pretty much *any* computer).
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Uh no.
Unlike most of you in this thread I'm not paranoid. I know no one will delete my toons.
I switch users to keep what's on my screen from being seen by someone who probably doesn't want to see it. I no longer need to do that but back in the day I don't think my Mom would've wanted to see porn as she walked past my PC upon entering my room.
With all this paranoia over accounts we should start passing out tin-foil hats. You don't need a perfect world you just need common sense. If you know you have people around who can't be trusted near your PC then you should log out anyway because they can mess with a lot more than your stupid toons. Get real.
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It's far more inconvientnet to have to log in and out to go get a glass of water or a pop tart then it is to go to the login screen when you want to swap characters.
There have been plenty of people who pop up in the Tech Support forum to complain about deleted toons even with the setup we have now.
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Uh you would still have the option to stay logged in to go get that poptart.
The rest of us would have the option to log out to character select.
What is there to even complain against?
Make it optional by Account Management and then there's absolutely no argument against the request.
How on Earth do you get by on any other game when every other game has a log out to character select option?
Paranoia at it's best because I seriously do not believe this many people have someone gunning for their precious account just waiting to delete their characters...and if you do maybe it's you.
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If Mr. NoPants feels cheeky while I get up to deal with our son the most I get now is a messed up costume or some inappropriate team talk.
With your option I would end up coming back to a whole new toon dancing in Pocket D if he was inclined.
It has happened, it does happen, and sticking your head in the sand whenever someone points it out isn't going to make it go away.
CS is flooded enough with AE complaints there is very little chance they will flood them with more this late in the game.
Also if you really want to suggest this for consideration try the suggestion forums.
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Make it optional by Account Management and then there's absolutely no argument against the request.
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Well, except that when people lose characters they always complain and get mad, even when its their own damn fault. Making it an optional process doesn't change people's basic nature. Look at all the posts in these forums where someone comes in breathing fire and slaughter and then their problem gets fixed and they feel slightly foolish...except that of course the deleted characters we're talking about here wouldn't get fixed.
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Paranoia at it's best because I seriously do not believe this many people have someone gunning for their precious account just waiting to delete their characters...and if you do maybe it's you.
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Well, I've posted about my actual experiences with actual people -- not me, not made up, and (over the years) numerous incidents. You seem to have ignored my examples and to be under the impression this is a made-up problem born of paranoia.
Honestly, people will be unhappy either way. The Devs have chosen this way -- but they have to choose one way or the other. They've imposed minor inconvenience on everyone to spare a significant few from total disaster.
Now you're just flogging them for this choice -- lambasting them as paranoid in a public forum -- because you don't want a minor inconvenience.
Really, it's unbecoming to be nasty about such a minor thing.
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It's far more inconvientnet to have to log in and out to go get a glass of water or a pop tart then it is to go to the login screen when you want to swap characters.
There have been plenty of people who pop up in the Tech Support forum to complain about deleted toons even with the setup we have now.
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Uh you would still have the option to stay logged in to go get that poptart.
The rest of us would have the option to log out to character select.
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... at which point little brother/drunk friend/etc. decides to modify or delete them, which they can't do now because they'd need a password.
How is this a hard concept?
It's not "having this many people gunning for their precious accounts," nor is it paranoia. It IS, by the way, from real life examples - y'know, "experience." It's just plain common sense. Why make a system less secure than it is now? Why risk INCREASING customer service's workload, which does mean money and increased time responding to OTHER issues? Why wish increasing customer dissatisfaction when they find out they can't get their newly-kid-deleted character back RIGHT NOW?
Live with the 30 seconds. Sheesh.
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Thank you. All these fictional scenarios are just stupid.
Every platform has a way of adding a password to safeguard your PC when you leave it. They're just making up lame excuses because change is so scary.
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Do you have any facts to back up your claim that the "excuses" are actually due to change being scary, or did you just make that up? 
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It's kinda the tech support stories I'ld here while near the VMUSA call center about some people complain about needing a VKey and say they just give it to their friends anyways and then other people getting mad becasue their newly acquired ex called intwith the old VKey and Tommy Tutoned it locking them out of the account.
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XP can be turned on and off in the menu options, logout to server or character select should be too. Make the default set how it is now, but allow players to choose their own logging options. No biggie.
Oh, and Zombie Mans' story was pretty damn funny. 
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If it was an option it'd need to be in the account manager like mentioned. Putting a security toggle in the menu is pointless.
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If it was an option it'd need to be in the account manager like mentioned. Putting a security toggle in the menu is pointless.
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I'd be fine with that.
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If it was an option it'd need to be in the account manager like mentioned. Putting a security toggle in the menu is pointless.
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I'd be fine with that.
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Also I think turning off XP would be great payback now that I think of it...
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This whole idea of having to log back in with your password being considered "protection" is a farce. How often would any of these proposed incidents occur? Not often enough to even be blip on customer services' radar. Besides, they can actually restore your deleted character. The whole thing smacks as being a lame excuse for some decision made long ago and an unwillingness to change it, much like the lame excuse for restricting capes anymore when you can clearly have certain capes from the beginning.
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The only capes I know of that you can have at the start of a toon is a vet reward. Which requires a certain amount of time for the account active. I don't know of anyone who starts with a trial, and switches to pay that get a cape pre 20. I know I didn't and that's as 'from the start' as you get.
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