There is end game content
- with Ouroboros and MA - there is essentially unlimited content for lvl 50 characters.
And the assumption that players want to play "content" rather than juts go through combat, or collect badges, or roleplay in Atlas Park - is an assumption that other players want to play the same way you do.
Maybe they just want to get to 50 and sit in a pvp zone forever. It is their choice.
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Granted. And it tends to irk me when I see builds put out these days. "What's a decent build for..." "Well, just purple it out this way!" OK, but that doesn't help me get from 20-30. If a build needs, or seems to need, IOs to be workable... there's something wrong with that build, IMHO.
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I agree. It seems, at least on the forums, that people just expect everyone to have lots of money. It's like that thread I made the other day you helped me with where I wasn't sure if I'd even afford SOs at 22 and now I've got enough inf that I decided to go ahead and go for common IOs instead.
But it is kinda funny when you ask for a build and your guy is only like lvl 20 or 30 or whatever and ppl are telling you to slot Numina's and LoTG's and all sorts of stuff and you're just like "uhhh.......".
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You have no control (well, little) over what you roll using AE tickets - but it's a nice way to get salvage. Yes, you could luck into the IO you wanted, as well - I've gotten several KB resists and Def/Res pieces for a few characters that could use them. You have a bit more control with Merits, though again some (purples, and I'm not sure but I want to say PVP recipes) are not available. Little more time, little more work, but you can pick what you want if you have the merits.
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So basically AE tickets are just like a raffle system. That's pretty....lame, lol.
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Heh, no worries. I don't know how WOW does things - I know, from friends, they have some sort of market or something. I'm assuming the dagger is bound to whoever gets it - which, frankly, I'd find *really* irritating (I know I would, since I find it irritating in Guild Wars as well - one of the reasons I rarely play it.) Still, alternate ways of getting equipment, drops, and useful items is, to me, a good thing.
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Yeah, I won't really go into it since I'm sure you don't really care. Suffice it to say that yes the best gear is bound to you and you can't do much with it if you don't want it or can't use it, but it does keep people coming back hoping what they need will drop.
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Except that after PLing there's -nothing- to do.
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Even for you this is a comical argument.
There's as much to do "after" you PL as there was before you PL'ed, or if you didn't PL at all, or if you just hit 50 after 5 years because your morals only let you use brawl on green minions.
The content is still there however you get to 50.
If you PL, all the better- the less you see on the way up, the more you have to explore once you get there.
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Except that after PLing there's -nothing- to do.
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Even for you this is a comical argument.
There's as much to do "after" you PL as there was before you PL'ed, or if you didn't PL at all, or if you just hit 50 after 5 years because your morals only let you use brawl on green minions.
The content is still there however you get to 50.
If you PL, all the better- the less you see on the way up, the more you have to explore once you get there.
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I'd rather have supposed lack of end game content, rather than go through the "crap" imho, that is "content" in lower levels. That's my playstyle.
Just felt the urge to pop in and say~
Rhetorical question is rhetorical.
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After Power leveling, I tend to play the game. I don't know what prohibts yall?
I can PL to 50 and then exempt down with my wikkid kool purple sets and play 1 to 50 
Whoever wants to PL should PL and if they dont then dont. simple! no need to overexamine things.
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LOL @ the idea that what I personally do causes the developers to readjust the entire game[s]; I don't think I'm anywhere near that powerful.
Please continue with the nerfherding and preaching, I find it amusing. Not real effective as in changing people's behavior, true - but amusing nonetheless.
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You, personally? No, you're an insignificant speck, barely worthy of notice, much less drastic gameplay balance changes solely for the virtue of your pleasure (or displeasure, if we want to assume the devs have something against you). However, as part of a community then your behaviours compound with those of everyone else- even if you never so much as look at another character in your entire gameplaying career. So, if you PL, then you're part of that x% of the population which PLs. If that percentage gets too high, then the devs may take action against it (assuming, of course, that they feel it has a negative impact on the health of the game.)
As far as the PLing argument goes, I'm more or less ambivalent about it. I do think that newbies who get PLed to 50 are doing themselves a disservice, but I don't necessarily think they're wrong to do so. I've started PLing many of my new characters to their 20s, just because I can't stand the low level crap anymore. However, it does concern me that if the devs may go through and gut features that I use legitimately for the sake of stopping that x% of people who go from one to fifty in a week and go "ok, now what?"
Long story short: Do what you will, but don't get your trash in my backyard.
My story arcs: #2370- Noah Reborn, #18672- The Clockwork War, #31490- Easy Money
Sartre once said, "Hell is other people." What does that make an MMO?
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After Power leveling, I tend to play the game. I don't know what prohibts yall?
I can PL to 50 and then exempt down with my wikkid kool purple sets and play 1 to 50
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Surprisingly, losing powers I had sucks MORE than not having the powers to begin with.
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You, personally? No, you're an insignificant speck, barely worthy of notice, much less drastic gameplay balance changes solely for the virtue of your pleasure (or displeasure, if we want to assume the devs have something against you).
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.....But you, or anyone else here is/are somehow different, eh? I seriously doubt it. Do note for the record that I never made any such claim about myself in any respect or category whatsoever.
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However, as part of a community then your behaviours compound with those of everyone else- even if you never so much as look at another character in your entire gameplaying career. So, if you PL, then you're part of that x% of the population which PLs. If that percentage gets too high, then the devs may take action against it
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Thank you, Captain Obvious.
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By leveling "normally" through content, you have plenty of time to get adjusted to each new power and use it enough to gradually get an over-all view of the interaction of your powers.
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This is to say nothing about missing out on actually "teaming" with other people in order to learn to play cooperatively with various groups of players and archetypes.
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I'm not even going to go into the one-tactic mindset or just considering yourself uber knowledgeable because you have a 50 or a epic archetype character due to the fact you were power-leveled.
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Spoken by someone who has spent time playing the game, who has progressed from level 1 through level 50, and who has already learned all of these things.
Blaze might be easy to comprehend. How about all the defender buffs and debuffs? Controller holds? The various armors available to tankers? Their weaknesses? The gradual progression from mobs that just do damage to mobs that have a huge assortment of mezzes? Someone brought up that nobody's missing anything by not being exposed to CoT. That's very arrogant and short-sighted as it implies that that person knows what's best for a new player. It's short-sighted because the CoT are one of the first enemy groups you encounter with debuffs, and they do give a new player a learning experience.
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The only problem with defeating the Tsoo is that an hour later, you want to defeat them again!
"Life is just better boosted!" -- LadyMage
"I'm a big believer in Personal Force Field on a blaster. ... It's your happy place." -- Fulmens
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After Power leveling, I tend to play the game. I don't know what prohibts yall?
I can PL to 50 and then exempt down with my wikkid kool purple sets and play 1 to 50
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As could I. But the question was whether new players should be powerleveled. Someone who is very familiar with all the game has to offer is very different from someone who just signed up yesterday. And for those players that are seasoned and veterans, try to remember what it was like the first time you played. Did you feel shafted in some way because you leveled too slowly? Did you feel that those early levels were lame? Do you believe that, in those very first few days you played the game, that you'd be better off if someone pulled you aside and shot you up to 50?
Seeing as you all stuck with it, made it to 50, then did it again, I'd think that you were enjoying yourself. Even running around Atlas Park, when you're doing it for the very first time, is fun. It's all new and exciting and those first few weeks or months you play the game is unlike any other time.
Arc ID#30821, A Clean Break
The only problem with defeating the Tsoo is that an hour later, you want to defeat them again!
"Life is just better boosted!" -- LadyMage
"I'm a big believer in Personal Force Field on a blaster. ... It's your happy place." -- Fulmens
It isn't a discussion. That's my point of view.
No one should power level. Ever. Period. Why cheat yourself of the feeling of satisfaction of EARNING your level 50 toon? I honestly can't understand why anyone would want to cheat themselves.
Power leveling? Farming? Why not just pay the folks who'll play your character for you?
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No one should power level. Ever. Period. Why cheat yourself of the feeling of satisfaction of EARNING your level 50 toon? I honestly can't understand why anyone would want to cheat themselves.
Power leveling? Farming? Why not just pay the folks who'll play your character for you?
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Or buy a character off of e-bay as some do. Not sure if they do this so much in CoH but it happens in other MMOs.
People who do that are more interested in the destination, but IMO the journey is what makes playing games fun. I mean, getting powerleveled or buying a character/account is like using a cheat to skip all the way to the end of a game...of course some people do that too without a second thought so I really shouldn't be surprised I guess. 
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After Power leveling, I tend to play the game. I don't know what prohibts yall?
I can PL to 50 and then exempt down with my wikkid kool purple sets and play 1 to 50
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As could I. But the question was whether new players should be powerleveled. Someone who is very familiar with all the game has to offer is very different from someone who just signed up yesterday. And for those players that are seasoned and veterans, try to remember what it was like the first time you played. Did you feel shafted in some way because you leveled too slowly? Did you feel that those early levels were lame? Do you believe that, in those very first few days you played the game, that you'd be better off if someone pulled you aside and shot you up to 50?
Seeing as you all stuck with it, made it to 50, then did it again, I'd think that you were enjoying yourself. Even running around Atlas Park, when you're doing it for the very first time, is fun. It's all new and exciting and those first few weeks or months you play the game is unlike any other time.
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This is what I said on page 4 about if newbies should PL.
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I don't really care what they do with their 15 bucks a month.
I have known newbies who PLed and then figured it out that thats just stupid at a later time.
I have known newbies who PL to 50 and then kept doing it for years.
I have known 1 newbie who PL to 50 and quit because he was an idiot.
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I don't play on many PUG teams >.< Most of the time, but when I do. I can't tell if they are vets that just suck or are newbies that suck. I gave up caring. If they suck bad enough I just say "Gotta go sex" or something like that... and quit 5 seconds later.
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No one should power level. Ever. Period. Why cheat yourself of the feeling of satisfaction of EARNING your level 50 toon? I honestly can't understand why anyone would want to cheat themselves.
Power leveling? Farming? Why not just pay the folks who'll play your character for you?
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Your ******ity just irritates me. Hows about you pay everyones subscription fee then you can sit there and tell us what to do.
If not... ***U.
I have "earned" 18 level 50s.
I have "PL" 6 level 50s.
Why do you **'n care how I get to lvl 50?
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You, personally? No, you're an insignificant speck, barely worthy of notice, much less drastic gameplay balance changes solely for the virtue of your pleasure (or displeasure, if we want to assume the devs have something against you).
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.....But you, or anyone else here is/are somehow different, eh? I seriously doubt it. Do note for the record that I never made any such claim about myself in any respect or category whatsoever.
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The point that I was trying to make at this point in my post- assuming you actually read it, and didn't simply scan for whatever you could throw out of context to make a few acerbic remarks- was reinforcing your point that an individual is insignificant. Where we seem to differ is that your initial post indicates that the actions of an individual (In this case, you) has no bearing on the game as a whole. I disagree. [ QUOTE ]
LOL @ the idea that what I personally do causes the developers to readjust the entire game[s]; I don't think I'm anywhere near that powerful.
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However, as part of a community then your behaviours compound with those of everyone else- even if you never so much as look at another character in your entire gameplaying career. So, if you PL, then you're part of that x% of the population which PLs. If that percentage gets too high, then the devs may take action against it
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Thank you, Captain Obvious.
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Actually, Basilisk will do just fine, no sense bringing honorifics into the matter. Now, have you actually got anything up your sleeve to dispute my point, or does replying to you just automatically make me wrong?
My story arcs: #2370- Noah Reborn, #18672- The Clockwork War, #31490- Easy Money
Sartre once said, "Hell is other people." What does that make an MMO?
I understood your point to be "You personally are an insignificant speck about whose opinion the developers care not one jot nor tittle."
My rebuttal to that was, to wit: "I don't recall claiming that the developers DO care about my opinion, so this arrow sort of misses the mark."
The flip side is that this "speck" analysis also applies to you, and to probably most - if not all - of the rest of the playerbase as well, all 140,000+ strong. Its like two blackbirds calling each other insignificant, as they're perched on a tree with 140,000 other arguing members of the flock: all of them the same color - black.
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After Power leveling, I tend to play the game. I don't know what prohibts yall?
I can PL to 50 and then exempt down with my wikkid kool purple sets and play 1 to 50
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As could I. But the question was whether new players should be powerleveled. Someone who is very familiar with all the game has to offer is very different from someone who just signed up yesterday. And for those players that are seasoned and veterans, try to remember what it was like the first time you played. Did you feel shafted in some way because you leveled too slowly? Did you feel that those early levels were lame? Do you believe that, in those very first few days you played the game, that you'd be better off if someone pulled you aside and shot you up to 50?
Seeing as you all stuck with it, made it to 50, then did it again, I'd think that you were enjoying yourself. Even running around Atlas Park, when you're doing it for the very first time, is fun. It's all new and exciting and those first few weeks or months you play the game is unlike any other time.
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This is what I said on page 4 about if newbies should PL.
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You're right, I must have been running on automatic. 
Arc ID#30821, A Clean Break
The only problem with defeating the Tsoo is that an hour later, you want to defeat them again!
"Life is just better boosted!" -- LadyMage
"I'm a big believer in Personal Force Field on a blaster. ... It's your happy place." -- Fulmens
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After Power leveling, I tend to play the game. I don't know what prohibts yall?
I can PL to 50 and then exempt down with my wikkid kool purple sets and play 1 to 50
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As could I. But the question was whether new players should be powerleveled. Someone who is very familiar with all the game has to offer is very different from someone who just signed up yesterday. And for those players that are seasoned and veterans, try to remember what it was like the first time you played. Did you feel shafted in some way because you leveled too slowly? Did you feel that those early levels were lame? Do you believe that, in those very first few days you played the game, that you'd be better off if someone pulled you aside and shot you up to 50?
Seeing as you all stuck with it, made it to 50, then did it again, I'd think that you were enjoying yourself. Even running around Atlas Park, when you're doing it for the very first time, is fun. It's all new and exciting and those first few weeks or months you play the game is unlike any other time.
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This is what I said on page 4 about if newbies should PL.
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You're right, I must have been running on automatic.
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I wasn't tryin to be fussy, was just sayin'
You're automatically wrong, Basilisk. And you will forever be wrong until you conform to the non-conformity of Bad_Influence.
Don't be Sheep, people! Follow the true way of bad haircuts, black clothing, and acidic humor! That's the only way you can break out of the force conformity of our society: By conforming to the 'anti-society' which is just as cliqueish if not more so than the one you're already in!!!
-Rachel-
Don't skip things until you know what you're skipping. The game does take a fair bit of learning, simply due to the complexity involved.
Do you know what Fulcrum Shift is? Sure, most of us do. Do you know its recharge? AoE radius? Is it auto-hit? What's the boost per enemy? What's the +DAM cap for your AT? How many little FS dots cap you? How meaningful is that for your character? How much is FS worth for you at the beginning of a fight? At the end?
There's a huge gap between knowing what a power does and how to use it best. One can be learned for all powers inside an hour with the character creator. The other takes lots of playtime and experimentation.
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*nitpick*
Everything is not buyable from the market. The potential to get almost everything from the market is there, yes (including things that don't exist,) but to have everything buyable from the market in fact, the market would have to be "stocked" regularly. By comparison, all standard SOs are buyable without reservation - you just have to go to the vendor and buy them. They're available any time the game is up.
Everything is, however, available via playing. It may not be a playstyle you like (such as PVP enhancements,) but that option *is* there. All the stock on the market is from someone playing, after all. And I'd much rather have someplace I can put a drop (of any sort) that I can't or don't want to use which allows someone who DOES want it a chance of getting it, than to have some marked "unsellable," where my only option is trade or vendor.
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Fair enough. Still, whenever someone talks about about tweaking out a build or something they usually put it in terms of cost, so it's assumed that these things are going to be readily available.
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Granted. And it tends to irk me when I see builds put out these days. "What's a decent build for..." "Well, just purple it out this way!" OK, but that doesn't help me get from 20-30. If a build needs, or seems to need, IOs to be workable... there's something wrong with that build, IMHO.
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I guess the merit system also adds a little extra fluff. You run some content, you get merits, you spend the merits on the more expensive things you're looking to get. I guess you could also use it as an extra means of earning inf if you hate farms (I hate farms). And then I guess now they have the AE tickets though I guess those are used more for salvage and stuff like that correct?
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And there's where you get what you were mentioning, with some rewards not available
You have no control (well, little) over what you roll using AE tickets - but it's a nice way to get salvage. Yes, you could luck into the IO you wanted, as well - I've gotten several KB resists and Def/Res pieces for a few characters that could use them. You have a bit more control with Merits, though again some (purples, and I'm not sure but I want to say PVP recipes) are not available. Little more time, little more work, but you can pick what you want if you have the merits.
They, and playing and the market, are all just alternate ways of getting the same stuff.
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I guess I've just played WoW too long. I'm use to having to run a raid 20 times before I get my epic dagger that ups my DPS by 400. It would seem weird to me if I were ever able to just buy said dagger I guess is my point..
My apologies for mentioning WoW >_<
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Heh, no worries. I don't know how WOW does things - I know, from friends, they have some sort of market or something. I'm assuming the dagger is bound to whoever gets it - which, frankly, I'd find *really* irritating (I know I would, since I find it irritating in Guild Wars as well - one of the reasons I rarely play it.) Still, alternate ways of getting equipment, drops, and useful items is, to me, a good thing.